"Io Mihailŭ, Împĕratul Românilor" - A Michael the Brave Romania Wank

[Zagan]

I can't put my finger on it, but something about Iulia reminds me of Ace Attorney's Maya Fey.

Never heard of either of these. I'll google them.

 

[fluttersky]

I: "And how many of these parallel worlds are there?"
M: "There are more than an Infinity of them!"
I: "What does that even mean? There is nothing bigger than Infinity!"
M: "How many points are there on a line?"
I: "An Infinity, of course."
M: "And aren't there more points in a plane than in a line?"
I: "You got me! Now, please, tell me about this other world!"

Just a minor technicality: in our modern understanding of mathematics, there is no such thing as "more than an infinity"; rather, there are many different infinities, some of which are larger than others. Also, the number of points on a line is exactly the same as the number of points on a plane! (in technical terms, the cardinality of ℝ is equal to the cardinality of ℂ). i.e. they are both the same infinity. Larger infinities only come into play when we consider other concepts such as comparing the number of rational numbers to the number of real numbers.

Having said that, one can't expect 17th-century people in heaven to have an intricate understanding of modern mathematics, so I don't think this needs correcting at all!

 

[Zagan]

Just a minor technicality: in our modern understanding of mathematics, there is no such thing as "more than an infinity"; rather, there are many different infinities, some of which are larger than others. Also, the number of points on a line is exactly the same as the number of points on a plane! (in technical terms, the cardinality of ℝ is equal to the cardinality of ℂ). i.e. they are both the same infinity. Larger infinities only come into play when we consider other concepts such as comparing the number of rational numbers to the number of real numbers.

Having said that, one can't expect 17th-century people in heaven to have an intricate understanding of modern mathematics, so I don't think this needs correcting at all!

That is correct. I have studied advanced mathematics as well.
I just wanted to have two lay people discuss these concepts in terms they could possibly understand.

A note stating that their statements are not necessarily mathematically correct may be appropriate and I think I am going to insert one. Edit: Done (note inserted).

 

[Zagan]

Another small post...

Although I had posted this:

The END of Part One.

... I had also posted this:

28 May 1653, Constantinople, Earth

A Christian mob numbering more than three thousand very well armed and organized men marched on the Topkapı Palace beginning a very tense stand-off with the admirably restrained Ottoman defenders.


29 May 1653, Constantinople, Earth

After a civil war inside Constantinople had been narrowly averted the previous day, the Romanian Army marched unopposed into the City and placed it under direct military rule.

Murat, the last Ottoman Sultan, abdicated and received a nice castle with a good manor in Maramureș, together with a decent pension, courtesy of the Romanian State.

The Principality of the Bosphorus was abolished and all its area was directly annexed to the Empire of the Orient, under the dual Protection of both Romania and Greece.

Two centuries after the greatest blow ever suffered by the Christendom, all of Europe was under Christian rule, for the first time in its history!

... Which was initially planned for Part Two, as you could see from this:

Internal Structure of the Realms

[SNIP]

After 1653

- Internal reorganization - please wait for Part Two

So, I have to continue this post with the:

1653 Internal Administrative Reorganisation of the Realms​

- Empire of the Orient - supranational confederacy

--- Constantinople (including the surrounding area) - Imperial Territory, the only one directly administered by the Empire of the Orient

--- Romania - Founder Member State, Dynastic Union
----- 30 Internal Provinces
----- 4 Autonomous Provinces - Hungary, Croatia, Dalmatia, Lebanon
----- 3 External Provinces - Asia Minor, Sinope, Canal Zone
----- 3 Colonies - Holy Land, Syria, Sinai
------- Județe

--- Greece - Founder Member State, Dynastic Union
----- 11 Internal Provinces (Themes)
----- 1 External Province - Cilicia

--- Armenia - Member State from July 1653, different dynasty
----- 5 Internal Provinces
----- 1 External Province - Cappadocia

--- Georgia - Member State from November 1653, different dynasty
----- 4 Internal Provinces

--- Slovakia - Protected State, did not apply for direct membership (yet, as of 31 December 1653)
----- 12 Counties

--- Turkey - Protectorate
----- 5 Provinces

--- The Levant - Protectorate (not enforced)
----- 7 Provinces


Changes:
- The Empire of the Orient got actual territory: the City of Constantinople (its Capital) and the immediate surrounding area;
- The short-lived Principality of the Bosphorus was disolved;
- The main part of the Constantinople part (European side) of the former Principality of the Bosphorus was annexed to Romania Proper (as the third Județ of the Internal Province Marmara);
- The Nicomedia part (Asian side) of the former Principality of the Bosphorus was annexed to Romania (as the fifth județ of the External Province Asia Minor);
- Romania, Greece, Armenia and Georgia became member states of the Empire of the Orient (the position of Romania inside the Empire of the Orient was similar to the position of Prussia inside the German Empire or of the Russian SFSR inside the Soviet Union);
- The Colony of Lebanon became an Autonomous Province, alongside Croatia, Dalmatia and Hungary;
- The Colonies of Asia Minor, Sinope and the Canal Zone became External Provinces (a new category);
- Jerusalem was merged back into the Holy Land;
- The Autonomous Provinces, the External Provinces and the Colonies were administratively divided into Județe;
- The Greek Colony of Cilicia became a Greek External Province;
- The Armenian Colony of Cappadocia became an Armenian External Province;
- The Protectorates over Slovakia, Turkey and the Levant were symbolically transferred from Romania to the Empire of the Orient;
- The Levantine Colony of Arabia Petraea was directly annexed to the Levant Proper as its seventh Province;


Terminology:
- Internal Province: simple administrative unit with no special status;
- Autonomous Province: language, religion, culture and customs of the local population are safeguarded (Hungarian in Hungary, Croat in Croatia, Croat and Italian in Dalmatia, Maronite in Lebanon);
- External Province: no autonomy, but not all laws apply; intended to be transformed into an ordinary Internal Province when certain conditions are met (Asia Minor, Sinope and the Canal Zone for Romania, Cilicia for Greece, Cappadocia for Armenia);
- Colony: little or no autonomy, no intention to annex it to the metropole due to its foreign character;
- Member States (Romania, Greece, Armenia, Georgia): theoretically equal constituents of the Empire of the Orient; in practice, Romania was by far the most powerful and influential of them, prompting the foreigners to usually say "Romania" when talking about the "Empire of the Orient" (a case of pars pro toto);
- Protected State (Slovakia): a benevolent Protectorate, actually desired and asked for by the Protected State;
- Protectorates (Turkey and the Levant): unwilling Protectorates; significant internal autonomy, foreign policy alligned to the Empire;


OTL Examples:
- Internal Province: French Départements;
- Autonomous Province: Spanish Catalunya;
- External Province: US Territory of Alaska;
- Colony: Italian Libya;
- Member State: Prussia of the German Empire;
- Protected State: British Ionian Islands, modern Microstates;
- Protectorate: Spanish Morocco (Rif);


Notes:
1. Unlike most OTL asymetrical federal structures where the Federal Capital coincided with the Capital of the strongest Federal Subject (German Empire, Soviet Union, etc), the Empire of the Orient and Romania maintained different Capitals (Constantinople and Michaelia Iulia, respectively).
2. Slovakia preferred the loose and multiethnic structure of the Empire of the Orient to the centralized Nation State of Germany or the weaker power of Sarmatia.
3. The structure of Empire of the Orient will continue to change over time (will be covered in Part Two).
4. Not all the changes were internationally recognized, but the Romanians usually did not care.
5. The Empire of the Orient will collapse before present day (will be covered in Part Two).
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[HIM Dogson]

Never heard of either of these. I'll google them.

A young girl who's talented and extremely eccentric.

 

[Zagan]

A young girl who's talented and extremely eccentric.

I got it already from the Internet. Thanks anyway.

You will hear from Iulia again...

 

[Zagan]

Tentative titles for the stories


All of It: "Io Mihailŭ, Împĕratul Românilor" (title unchanged, obviously);

Part One (1601 - 1653): "The Birth and Growth of Romania" (finished);

Part Two (1653 - 1XXX): "The Empire of the Orient" (already sketched);

Part Three (1XXX - Present): "Modern Romania" (short, possibly conflated into Part Two);

Spin-Off One (ASB, unusual ISOT): "The Thirteenth Cycle" (already sketched);

Spin-Off Two (ASB, unusual Insert): "The Warrior Empress" (vague ideas).


Do these titles sound ok? Any suggestions?


Beginning to work at Part Two, starting tomorrow...

 

[Zagan]

Tables of Contents
for Part One: "The Birth and Growth of Romania"
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Chapters

Introduction: The Dream that Forged an Empire
Chapter 1. The List That Shaped the Future
Chapter 2. Diplomatic Letter Send to Poland
Chapter 3. Romanian Language Standardization
Chapter 4. Dealing with Treason
Chapter 5. Alba Iulia
Chapter 6. The Romanian Lands
Chapter 7. Reactions in the Romanian Lands
Chapter 8. And Reactions Abroad
Chapter 9. The Prague Storm
Chapter 10. The Making of a Country
Chapter 11. Overview of 1601 Romania
Chapter 12. The Path to War
Chapter 13. The Romanian-Habsburg War
Chapter 14. The End of the War
Chapter 15. Pressburg Peace Conference
Chapter 16. The Aftermath of Pressburg
Chapter 17. A Period of Peace
Chapter 18. The Tatar Question
Chapter 19. The Tatar War
Chapter 20. Treaty of Perekop
Chapter 21. Sigismund III Vasa
Chapter 22. Poland-Lithuania (Sarmatia)
Chapter 23. Holy Roman Empire
Chapter 24. The German War
Chapter 25. Europe in 1622
Chapter 26. Tensions in the Balkans
Chapter 27. Mihai's Speeches, 1622
Chapter 28. The Anti-Ottoman Crusade
Chapter 29. First Romanian-Ottoman War
Chapter 30. Peace of Alba Iulia
Chapter 31. The Second German War
Chapter 32. About Measures and Weights
Chapter 33. Europe after the Wars
Chapter 34. The Imperium
Chapter 35. Europe before the Great Powers Conference
Chapter 36. Mihai before the Great Powers Conference
Chapter 37. Romanian Historiography
Chapter 38. The Great Powers Conference
Chapter 39. Mihai and Christine
Chapter 40. Ups and Downs
Chapter 41. Annus Horribilis
Chapter 42. Empress Cristina
Chapter 43. The Greek-Ottoman War
Chapter 44. The Second Romanian-Ottoman War
Chapter 45. The Horrors of Modern Warfare
Chapter 46. The End of the Ottoman Empire
Chapter 47. The Imperial Family
Chapter 48. Remapping the Middle East
Chapter 49. The Unofficial Regency
Chapter 50. The Powder Keg
Chapter 51. The Fall of Greece
Chapter 52. The Italian Imbroglio
Chapter 53. The Chaos
Chapter 54. In the Holy Land
Chapter 55. Still in the (Un)Holy Land
Chapter 56. Requiescat in Pace
Chapter 57. The Working Anarchy
Chapter 58. The Little Princess
Chapter 59. Iulia Imperatrix
Chapter 60. The Warrior Empress
Chapter 61. The Romanian Revolution
Chapter 62. Peace in Europe
Chapter 63. War in the Orient
Chapter 64. Half a Century after Mihai's Dream
Epilogue: Watching from the Heavens



Images

Romanian Flag: Waving, Flat.
The Romanian Lands in September 1601: Post, Map.
Romanian-Habsburg War of 1601: Post, Map.
Pressburg Peace Treaty: Post, Map, Map (result).
Romania after the Pressburg Peace Treaty: Post, Map.
The Tatar War: Post, Map.
Partition of the Crimean Khanate: Post, Map, Map (result), Map (detail).
Romania after the Tatar War and the Treaty of Colomeea: Post, Map.
Europe in 1604: Post, Map.
Poland-Lithuania (Sarmatia) in 1619-1622: Post, Map, Map (result).
Germany in 1612, just before the start of the German War: Post, Map.
Germany during the War: Post, Map.
Germany During the Ceasefire Period: Post, Map.
Lisbon Treaty: Post, Map.
Semaphores Chart: Post, Image.
The Anti-Ottoman Crusade: Post, Map.
Administrative Map of Romania after the Anti-Ottoman Crusade: Post, Map.
Romania and Neighbouring Lands after the Alba Iulia Peace Conference: Post, Map.
Alba Iulia Peace Conference Aftermath: Post, Map.
Europe in 1626: Post, Map.
1625 Census Data: Ethnicity: Post, Table.
1625 Census Data: Religion: Post, Table.
1625 Census Data: Status / Occupation: Post, Table.
1625 Census Data: Citizenship: Post, Map.
Brussels Peace Treaty Map: Post, Map.
Germany after the Brussels Peace Treaty: Post, Map.
The Iberian Empire, the Italian Confederation and Croatia in 1627: Post, Map.
Flags I: Post, Iberia1, Iberia2, Iberia3, France1, France2, Britain1, Britain2, Germany, Sarmatia, Romania1, Romania2.
Flags II: Post, Scandinavia, Russia, Slovakia, Croatia, Greece1, Greece2, Italy1, Italy2, Italy3, Hungary.
Flags III: Post, Georgia, Armenia, Ottoman, Persia, Morocco, Egypt, Arabia, Israel, Peace-Truce, Europe.
Northern Europe around 1630: Post, Map.
World Map ~1630: Post, Map.
European Countries in 1627: Post, Table.
Pie Charts: Post, Ethnicity, Religion, Citizenship, Europe by Population, Europe by Area.
The Political Structure of the Population of Romania: Post, Venn Diagram.
Europe during the Great Powers Conference (1626-1627): Post, Map (overlay), Map (plain).
Family Tree of Emperor Mihai: Post, Image.
Old Map of Europe: Post, Thumbnail, Full Map.
Exclusive Colonial Rights for the Great Powers I: Post, Thumbnail, Full Map.
Exclusive Colonial Rights for the Great Powers II: Post, Arctic, NW Africa, N America.
Territorial Evolution of Romania (1601 - 1630): Post, Map.
Territorial Evolution of Greece (1625 - 1630): Post, Map.
The Ottoman Empire in 1630-1631: Post, Map.
The Ottoman State and Its Neighbours in 1635: Post, Map.
Romanian Theatre of the 1629-1630 Romanian-Ottoman War: Post, Map.
The Orient in 1635: Post, Map.
Administrative & Ethnographic Map of Romania: Post, Map.
Romanian Colonies in the Middle East around 1640: Post, Map.
Comparison of Romania in 1625 and in 1640: Post, Table 1625, Table 1640, Map 1625, Map 1640.
The Italian War: Post, Map (before), Map.
Michaelia Iulia - Capital City of Romania: Post, Map.
Second European War - Greek Theatre: Post, Map.
Europe in 1640: Post, Map (overlay), Map (plain).
The Second European War: Post, Animated Map.
Summary of Europe's Countries around 1650: Post, Table.
Administrative Units of the Romanian Imperium: Post, Huge Table, Text Version.
Romania and its Empire around 1650: Post, Thumbnail, Full Map (overlay), Full Map (plain).
The Wars and Voyages of Empress Iulia during the 1640's: Post, Map.
Territorial Evolution of France: Post, Map.
Territorial Evolution of Iberia / Spain: Post, Map.
Territorial Evolution of Germany: Post, Map.
Territorial Evolution of Italy: Post, Map.
Territorial Evolution of Sarmatia: Post, Map.
Europe in 1650: Post, Thumbnail, Full Map.
Territorial Evolution of Romania, Minor Powers: Post, Map.
Decline and Disolution of the Ottoman Empire: Post, Map.
Europe in 1650 (plain & labeled): Post, Thumbnail, Full Map.
The World in the Second Half of the 17th Century: Post, Thumbnail, Full Map (overlay), Full Map (plain).
Population of Romania (1602 - 1652): Post, Table.
European Countries and Their Dependencies in 1652: Post, Table.
Relative Military Strength of the World's Countries: Post, Table.
Flag Maps of Europe (1652): Post, FlagMap.
Animated Map of Romania (1600 - 1652): Post, Animated Map.
Family Tree of Emperor Mihai (version 2): Post, Image.
Coat of Arms of Romania: Post, Coat of Arms, Half Size, Quarter Size, Vertical Flag, Defaced Flag, Vertical Defaced Flag, Flag of the Orient.
1652 Wiki-Like Summary Posts: Mihai, Cristina, Nicolae, Flora, Iulia, Maria, Spain, France, Britain, Germany, Scandinavia, Sarmatia, Russia, Italy, Greece, Armenia, Georgia, Slovakia, Oriens, Turkey, Levant, Bosphorus, Hungary, Croatia, Dalmatia, Persia, Egypt, Arabia, Morocco, Romania.


[End of Part One]


Note: The same Tables of Contents can be found in the opening post of this thread, hidden inside SPOILER tags. They have been there for many months.
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[Positively Indecent]

I love this timeline.

I'm particularly keen to see more of the Kingdom of Israel and how that ends up forming.

I wonder how the Americas will develop with an earlier development of nationalism.

 

[Zagan]

1. I love this timeline.

2. I'm particularly keen to see more of the Kingdom of Israel and how that ends up forming.

3. I wonder how the Americas will develop with an earlier development of nationalism.

1. Thank you for your appreciation.


2. As of now (1653), there is a Romanian Colony called the Holy Land.
It contains ~90% of OTL Israel (excepting the Southern part of the Negev), the OTL Palestinian territories, the Golan Heights, the left bank of the Jordan River, etc.

As of now (1653), more than 120,000 Jews have already immigrated in the Romanian Holy Land from all over Europe (part of them on their own will, others expelled by the Christian rulers of European States). They comprise more than a quarter of the population of the Holy Land.

In the Romanian Holy Land, the Jews are usually treated better than they were in Christian Europe and clearly better than the Muslims. The Romanian Colonial Authorities have a clear order of preference: Ethnic Romanians >> Other Europeans > Local Christians > Jews >> Muslims.

The Jews have full religious freedom as well as freedom of association, the right to an own separate cultural life and so on.

Romania does not intend to give the Holy Land away to the Jews. It will remain Romanian for the foreseable future.

A Kingdom of Israel will definitely exist in that area (or part of it, or more) in TTL present day. In a World of Empires and Kingdoms, it couldn't have possibly become a Republic!

More updates about the Holy Land in the near future.
The formation of an independent Israel, not so soon.


3. Very differently from OTL.

As of now (1653), the Americas consist of:
- The Empire of the Americas (Spanish), from California to the Southern Ocean;
- British North America, from Newfoundland and Acadia to Florida and from the Atlantic to the Appalachians;
- La Nouvelle France, in the expected location around Saint Laurence and the Great Lakes;
- Scandinavian Arctic, North of Parallel 54°N;
- Free Native Americans in most of Central North America, the deep jungles of Amazonia and parts of Patagonia.

More updates about the Americas in the near future.

 

[Zagan]

An image of Iulia, in armor, on horseback! I know it's difficult, but it would be great!

Take this: Image, Source.
Imagine the hair being black.
Done.

 

[Zagan]

Administrative Map of the Empire of the Orient
(Romania, Greece, etc)
after 1653

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[Zagan]

Ethnographic Map of the Empire of the Orient
(Romania, Greece, etc)
1653-1700

Legend:
Blue hues: Romanic (Romanians, Italians)
Red hues: Germanic (Germans)
Green hues: Slavic (Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Slovaks, Czechs, Poles, Ruthenes, Russians, etc)
Violet hues: Hellenic (Greeks) and Albanian (Albanians)
Yellow hues: Finno-Ugric (Hungarians)
Cyan hues: South Caucasian (Georgians, Armenians)
Purple hues: Iranic (Persians, Kurds)
Orange hues: Turkic (Turks, Azeris, Tatars, Turkestanis, etc)
White: North Caucasian (Circassians, etc)
Greyscale: Semitic (Arabs, Jews, Assyrians, etc) and Hamitic (Berbers)


Approximative ethnic composition
- Solid Color: 80-100%
- Wide Lines: 50-80%
- Narrow Lines: 20-50%
- None: 0-20%

 

[Zagan]

Religion Map of the Empire of the Orient
(Romania, Greece, etc)
1653-1700

Legend:
Red: Christian Orthodox (Romanian, Greek, Russian, Armenian, Georgian, Oriental, Coptic, Maronite)
Blue: Christian Catholic (Roman, United)
Purple: Christian Protestant (Lutheran, Calvinist, Hussite)
Yellow: Muslim (Sunni, Shia, Druze, Alawite, etc)
Grey: Mixed Christian (many denominations) + Muslim (many denominations) + Jewish


Monastery Map Glyph: The Heptarchy (seven Patriarchates of the Empire of the Orient)
1. Alba Iulia -- Romanian Orthodox Church
2. Constantinople -- Greek Orthodox Church
3. Erevan -- Armenian Orthodox Church
4. Tilfis -- Georgian Orthodox Church
5. Jerusalem -- Oriental Orthodox Church
6. Alexandria -- Coptic Orthodox Church
7. Antioch -- Maronite Orthodox Church

Note: The eighth Patriarhate (Moscow -- Russian Orthodox Church) and the ninth (Rome -- Roman Catholic Church) were outside of the Empire of the Orient and are not shown on this map.


Approximative religious composition
- Solid Color: 70-100%
- Horizontal Lines: 30-70%
- None: 0-30%

 

[Zagan]

Administrative Map of the Empire of the Orient
(Romania, Greece, etc)
after 1653

as requested by @Amber​

Legend:
Red, Orange, Magenta, Green-Yellow: Romania - Internal Provinces (Romania Proper)
Cyan, Blue-Cyan, Blue, Green-Cyan: Romania - External Provinces and Colonies (Hungary, Croatia, Dalmatia, Asia Minor, Syria, Lebanon, Holy Land, Sinai, Canal Zone)
Yellow, Purple: Other States of the Empire (Constantinople, Greece, Armenia, Georgia, Slovakia);
Dark Grey, Light Grey: Protectorates (Turkey, Levant)
White: Countries and territories not part of the Empire of the Orient

Different shades of the same color: Județe (for the Provinces and Colonies of Romania plus Slovakia) or Provinces (for Greece, Armenia, Georgia, Turkey, Levant)

 

[Amber]

as requested by @Amber

Thanks... (blushing). I had only asked, not requested, but thanks, it's nice.

I hope I'm not very rude, but when will we have the second part to read?

Amber

 

[Zagan]

Thanks... (blushing). I had only asked, not requested, but thanks, it's nice.

I hope I'm not very rude, but when will we have the second part to read?

Amber

With pleasure. It took some time, but it was worth it.

You are not being rude, it's ok.

Part Two will start in a matter of days.

There will be no more maps or other posts until then, with the exception of the next post (a filler, intended to finish the current page) and the placeholder post (the first on the next page) which will hold the title and miscellanious stuff.

 

[Zagan]

Io Mihailŭ, Împĕratul Românilor



Part Two

The Empire of the Orient

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(Very) Short Synopsis:
The Empire of the Orient, a sui generis federal structure dominated by Romania, controlled large territories in South-Eastern Europe, Western Asia and Eastern Africa during its centuries-long existence.

Spoiler: Table of Contents, Chapters

Introduction: Another Dream
Chapter 1. The Century of Peace. The Romanian Imperial Family
Chapter 2. The Century of Peace. European Colonialism
Chapter 3. The Century of Peace. Religious Upheavels
Chapter 4. The Century of Peace. Romanian Democracy
Chapter 5. The Century of Peace. An Ordinary Day, an Ordinary Family
Chapter 6. The Century of Peace. The War Against Islam
Chapter 7. The Century of Peace. The Forgotten War
Chapter 8. The Century of Peace.

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Spoiler: Table of Contents, Images

Administrative Map of the Empire of the Orient (after 1653): Post, Map.
Administrative Map of the Empire of the Orient (after 1653, variant): Post, Map.
Ethnographic Map of the Empire of the Orient (1650 - 1700): Post, Map.
Religion Map of the Empire of the Orient (1650 - 1700): Post, Map.

Family Tree of the House of Romania (version 3): Post, Image.
The Romanian-Islamic War (Military Alliances 1683): Post, Map.
The Romanian-Islamic War (1683-1711): Post, Map.
Romania after the Romanian-Islamic War (1712): Post, Map.
The Levantine Area after the Romanian-Islamic War (1712): Post, Map.

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Spoiler: Goodies

Links:
Part One
The Wiki

Diacritics: . Â . â . Ê . ê . Î . î . Ô . ô . Û . û . Ă . ă . Ĕ . ĕ . Ĭ . ĭ . Ŏ . ŏ . Ŭ . ŭ . Ḑ . ḑ . Ș . ș . Ț . ț . Ä . ä . Ö . ö . Ü . ü . ß .

Superscripts / Subscripts: . ⁰ . ¹ . ² . ³ . ⁴ . ⁵ . ⁶ . ⁷ . ⁸ . ⁹ . ₀ . ₁ . ₂ . ₃ . ₄ . ₅ . ₆ . ₇ . ₈ . ₉ .

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[Gian]

Well, I'd like to see how this develops.

The only thing I didn't like about the TL so far is the rank persecution of ethnic minorities (maybe it's because I like some ethnic minorities like the Occitano-Catalans) and also the OTL-ish fate of the Huguenots (to me, Protestant France and Protestant Bohemia always complement each other).

 

[Zagan]

Well, I'd like to see how this develops.

The only thing I didn't like about the TL so far is the rank persecution of ethnic minorities (maybe it's because I like some ethnic minorities like the Occitano-Catalans) and also the OTL-ish fate of the Huguenots (to me, Protestant France and Protestant Bohemia always complement each other).

You will have the chance to see TTL's developement...

I am part of a minority myself (I am an Aromanian / Macedo-Romanian in Romania) and I like most ethnic minorities (not those which are resorting to terrorism though).
However, a TL should not be idyllic for the sake of it. A TL should follow logically from its earlier events. In our case, an earlier onset of nationalism, in an era when human rights were not yet a thing, is posed to produce a lot of unpleasantries for those unlucky to be considered "the other".

The Catalans are not persecuted. They are integrated into the Iberian Nation as equals and their language (called dialect here) heavily influences the compromise "Iberian" language.

The Occitans, Provensals and other French minorities are (till now and the foreseable future) having their OTL fate (assimilation), sadly.

You have a Protestant Bohemia, but not a Protestant France.
There are still a lot of Huguenots in France and many more Lutherans and Calvinists in French Switzerland, acquired by Fance in 1648, by means of an ethnic (not religious) census.

Spoiler: Religion

Religion in the Occident will suffer an "earthquake" in the following decades...

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