"Io Mihailŭ, Împĕratul Românilor" - A Michael the Brave Romania Wank

I've just read your excellent timeline! I have a couple of questions, if that's okay. Feel free to answer or not answer them as you desire; I won't be offended if you don't want to answer them all. I expect answers to some questions would require spoilers.

1) The recent map showing the demarcation of the Franco-German border shows Dunkirk and its environs remaining part of France, despite being predominantly Flemish-speaking. Why is this?
2) I think you mentioned that Michaelia Iulia remains the Romanian capital city until the present day. Given that the annexation of Constantinople seems very likely at this point, and Constantinople is obviously a very important city even considering its recent destruction, why isn't the Romanian capital ever moved there?
3) Why is Anatolia administered as a colony, while the European territories are directly administered as a part of Romania? There isn't a huge difference between Anatolia and Thrace.
4) What is the current distribution of the constructed Sarmatian Language? Spoken by nobles mostly? Is it mutually intelligible with Polish, Lithuanian, and Ruthenian?
5) Alghero is currently Catalan-speaking. Will it be transferred to Spain, or will its residents be assimilated or expelled?
6) Nationalism is clearly just a means to an ends for the elites to control the masses. Would it be the case that each great power would like to encourage nationalist movements in other great powers that they don't like? Example: Britannia funding Breton nationalists in France.
7) Aren't the Romani (Gypsy) people a fairly significant minority in Romania? I don't see them in the demographics tables.
8) The Dalmatian language, spoken in Ragusa, was traditionally considered a "bridge" between Romanian and Italian. It is now considered to be closer to Italian. Upon the Romanian annexation of Dalmatia, was there an effort to label Dalmatian as a dialect of Romanian?
9) Are the Aromanians under pressure to learn the standard Romanian language and drop their local dialects, or are dialects of Romanian acceptable/encouraged?
10) Does Aromanian nationalism, and unwillingness to assimilate into the larger Romanian nation, exist?
11) In Romanian nationalist thought, would one normally say that the Romanians are *descended from* the Romans, or that they *are* the Romans?
12) Do any hyper-patriotic Romanians want to annex Italy and Rome?
13) There was a mass-migration of veteran peasants and their families from Wallachia, Moldavia, and Transnistria to the rest of Romania in the 1620s. What did the existing residents (Serbs, etc...) think of this? Any protests?
14) Most Orthodox people in the new Romanian territories are assimilating. Are there any that aren't and that are vigorously objecting?
15) In the new Romanian territories like Thrace, there are three categories of people who consider themself Romanian. Firstly the Aromanians who have lived there for a long time, secondly the Romanian veterans who recently immigrated there, and thirdly the Bulgarians etc who have assimilated. Are there many cultural differences between the three groups or are they much the same?
16) Romania has already shown its willingness to use ethnic cleansing (first on the Jews and later on the Hungarians). Upon the conquest of Anatolia, would it be correct to assume that all Turks will be expelled and the newly-emptied lands of Anatolia settled with Romanian veterans?
17) If a native African or Asian state converts to Christianity, would this stop the European Great Powers from attempting colonization there?
18) Contact with Ethiopia. Will it happen soon? Will the European nations treat Ethiopians as being more "civilized" due to their religion?
19) Romania, along with all of the Great Powers, has explicitly defined Islam as a great threat that must be vanquished. How do they reconcile this with being friendly with the Muslim state of Egypt?
20) Is there a chance of Romania completely demolishing Mecca and just leaving some empty sand where the city once stood? As a gesture to show their dominance over Islam.
21) Are the ideals of nationalism considered to only apply to Europe, or are they applicable all over the world? For example, would a Dutch person in British America (the former New Netherlands) be under pressure to learn English?
22) Is Russia expanding eastwards at the same rate that it did in OTL?
23) Assuming the answer to the last question is "yes", then it would appear that the Pacific settlement of Ohkotsk has now been founded. Russia has access to the sea! - only problem is that they want access to the Baltic, Black, or White seas, not some far-off place. However, a port's a port. Will Okhotsk expand faster than in OTL if Russia has no other port?
24) Why did Empress Cristina's guards allow Iulia into the room in the middle of the night? Surely they would have known that Cristina would automatically assume that someone pouncing on her is an assassin?
25) Which/how many languages can Cristina, Iulia, Maria, and Flora speak?
26) Is the seat of the Greek Orthodox patriarchy still located in Constantinople, or has it been relocated somewhere more sensible?
27) I see that a thorough Greco-Turkish population exchange happened. So the Pontic Greeks no longer exist, while Mikrasia now has no Turks and is thoroughly Greek?
28) What's the most populous and/or economically prosperous part of Greece? The European mainland, the islands, or the Asian mainland?
29) Will Romania or Sarmatia attempt to create an Assyrian state out of formerly-Muslim land? Or is Assyria located within the borders of what is now Persia?
30) Has the Armenian population of Cilicia been deported to the new nation-state of Armenia in the population exchanges?
31) Are the Druze seen as acceptable residents in the Romanian Orient, or are they lumped in as "undesirable populations" with other Muslims?
32) We've seen plenty of ethnic cleansing (forced deportations), but no genocide (intentional killing of all members of an ethnic group) yet! I guess the Church would heavily object if someone attempted such a thing?
33) How have Edisan and the new Sarmatian territories been faring in the decades since the Tatars' defeat?
34) On that topic, what actually happened to the Tatars following Sarmatia's occupation of Crimea? Deportation to the Ottoman Empire, or were they allowed to stay?
35) Is there still a Slovakian minority in Perekop?
36) The Romanian Orthodox Church declared Mihai a saint; did any other churches recognize this?
37) Does Slovakia have more Magyars or Slovaks? Judging by the borders, both ethnic groups should be quite numerous.
38) There's a Hanseatic German diaspora in the Romanian ports. Following the formation of the German nation-state, is this population more patriotic towards Romania or towards Germany? In the event of Romania and Germany falling out, would they be a fifth column?
39) How much of Spanish North Africa has been Christianized by now?
40) Spain has attempted to generate a cohesive national identity, but it has three main languages. Aragonese, Castilian, and Portuguese. Which of these is most used? If Castilian, doesn't this upset the Portuguese people?
41) Do the Lipka Tatars in Sarmatia still maintain their Muslim religion, or have most of them converted to Catholicism?
42) With Catholicism being the state religion of Sarmatia, would it be correct to assume that the Orthodox Ruthenians do not tend to be patriotic citizens?
43) Do the Szekelers usually consider themselves Hungarian? Do they consider themself Romanian?
44) Has there been any serious effort to reunite the Catholic and Orthodox churches?
45) Does Kalmykia follow Buddhism still, and if so does the religious difference hinder nationalism in the Russian state? I assume that the predominant religion of Russia is orthodoxy.
46) Why has France made no effort to incite French nationalism?
47) Is Occitan nationalism a realistic prospect at some point in the future due to the lack of French nationalism?
48) Have Romanian families begun to adopt surnames by now?
49) What is the level of literacy amongst younger Romanians, who grew up with the new education system?
50) Is Latin still the standard language of international diplomacy?
 

Zagan

Donor
I've just read your excellent timeline! I have a couple of questions, if that's okay. Feel free to answer or not answer them as you desire; I won't be offended if you don't want to answer them all. I expect answers to some questions would require spoilers.
[Questions - SNIP]
Thank you very much for:
- (thoroughly) reading my TL;
- clicking "Like" lots of times;
- praising my TL;
- asking questions.

I will answer all your questions to the best of my ability and as soon as possible (several minutes to one hour, it takes time, there are many questions! :)).
The spoilers will be properly enclosed in SPOILER tags.

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The Answers to Fluttersky's 50 Questions

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Answers to the questions inside the QUOTE, in RED.
1) The recent map showing the demarcation of the Franco-German border shows Dunkirk and its environs remaining part of France, despite being predominantly Flemish-speaking. Why is this?
Because that area has been part of "Old France" (since before the demise of the HRE), it has not been processed in the "Ethnicity Censuses". The German victory over France has not been so categorical to allow that kind of humiliation.

2) I think you mentioned that Michaelia Iulia remains the Romanian capital city until the present day. Given that the annexation of Constantinople seems very likely at this point, and Constantinople is obviously a very important city even considering its recent destruction, why isn't the Romanian capital ever moved there?
Correct. Constantinople will be occupied but not quite annexed. Its status will be "interesting". No more spoilers here. Everything will be clear in one or two chapters.
And the Romanians wanted to have their Capital in the middle of the Country and not in one corner of it.


3) Why is Anatolia administered as a colony, while the European territories are directly administered as a part of Romania? There isn't a huge difference between Anatolia and Thrace.
There are some differencies:
- In Asia Minor, there are no Romanians at all;
- Asia Minor is not in Europe (and this does have some important legal consequences, mainly regarding the rule of law, slavery, citizenship, etc);
- Usually, the National territory is in Europe and the Colonies are outside Europe;
- All non-Christians are / will be expelled from Romania Proper and this is just not feasible in Asia Minor.


4) What is the current distribution of the constructed Sarmatian Language? Spoken by nobles mostly? Is it mutually intelligible with Polish, Lithuanian, and Ruthenian?
Yes, around 10% of the Nobles (1% of the population) can speak it. The proportion will grow somehow during the following centuries (but nowhere to get a majority).
It is a mix of Polish, Lithuanian and Ruthenian plus some made-up words. An intelligent person who does already know two of those languages would understand Sarmatian.


5) Alghero is currently Catalan-speaking. Will it be transferred to Spain, or will its residents be assimilated or expelled?
Never thought of this issue before. Surely not transferred (not near Spain and exclaves are frowned upon). Probably slow, gradual assimilation.

6) Nationalism is clearly just a means to an ends for the elites to control the masses. Would it be the case that each great power would like to encourage nationalist movements in other great powers that they don't like? Example: Britannia funding Breton nationalists in France.
Correct. It would probably happen somewhere...

7) Aren't the Romani (Gypsy) people a fairly significant minority in Romania? I don't see them in the demographics tables.
No. There were very few Gypsies in the 17th century. Their numbers increased greately through natural means during the centuries (their fertility is greater).
And they are not in the demographics tables because:
- They are slaves;
- Most of them have already been shipped to the Sinal Canal where they are needed.


8) The Dalmatian language, spoken in Ragusa, was traditionally considered a "bridge" between Romanian and Italian. It is now considered to be closer to Italian. Upon the Romanian annexation of Dalmatia, was there an effort to label Dalmatian as a dialect of Romanian?
Sure. The degree of success is to be determined over decades / centuries.

9) Are the Aromanians under pressure to learn the standard Romanian language and drop their local dialects, or are dialects of Romanian acceptable/encouraged?
Yes, sadly (I am Aromanian myself :-().

10) Does Aromanian nationalism, and unwillingness to assimilate into the larger Romanian nation, exist?
Yes, as in OTL, some of them are considering themselves to be Greeks! It will be covered in the next chapter.

11) In Romanian nationalist thought, would one normally say that the Romanians are *descended from* the Romans, or that they *are* the Romans?
The former. "We are the descendants of the Romans and the Thracians" (where the "Thracians" include Illirians, Macedonians, Dacians, etc).

12) Do any hyper-patriotic Romanians want to annex Italy and Rome?
Only Iulia... ;-)

13) There was a mass-migration of veteran peasants and their families from Wallachia, Moldavia, and Transnistria to the rest of Romania in the 1620s. What did the existing residents (Serbs, etc...) think of this? Any protests?
Not really (with the exception of the Montenegrin Serbs - covered somewhere). The Romanian veterans got land confiscated from the landlords not the local peasants.

14) Most Orthodox people in the new Romanian territories are assimilating. Are there any that aren't and that are vigorously objecting?
Some of them are not yet assimilating (around a third). Some are objecting, not vigurously, though (with the obvious exception of the Greeks, which were / are sent to Greece).

15) In the new Romanian territories like Thrace, there are three categories of people who consider themself Romanian. Firstly the Aromanians who have lived there for a long time, secondly the Romanian veterans who recently immigrated there, and thirdly the Bulgarians etc who have assimilated. Are there many cultural differences between the three groups or are they much the same?
Correct. Now (164x), there are still differencies, but they are slowly decreasing.

16) Romania has already shown its willingness to use ethnic cleansing (first on the Jews and later on the Hungarians). Upon the conquest of Anatolia, would it be correct to assume that all Turks will be expelled and the newly-emptied lands of Anatolia settled with Romanian veterans?
Correct. Not possible, as there are way too many Turks and nowhere to send them to! Some other (somehow gentler) methods will be employed.
Plus, there aren't so many Romanians yet and nobody wants to empty Romania Proper!


17) If a native African or Asian state converts to Christianity, would this stop the European Great Powers from attempting colonization there?
No. Pragmatism first.

18) Contact with Ethiopia. Will it happen soon? Will the European nations treat Ethiopians as being more "civilized" due to their religion?
Yes. Yes, a little.

19) Romania, along with all of the Great Powers, has explicitly defined Islam as a great threat that must be vanquished. How do they reconcile this with being friendly with the Muslim state of Egypt?
Well... pragmatism again and Egypt is only about half Muslim and half Coptic anyway.
Plus, this friendship will not last forever.


20) Is there a chance of Romania completely demolishing Mecca and just leaving some empty sand where the city once stood? As a gesture to show their dominance over Islam.
Yes, there is a chance. It may or may not happen. Now (164x), Romania does not have the means to conquer it.

21) Are the ideals of nationalism considered to only apply to Europe, or are they applicable all over the world? For example, would a Dutch person in British America (the former New Netherlands) be under pressure to learn English?
It depends on the country, colony and year.

22) Is Russia expanding eastwards at the same rate that it did in OTL?
Probably. Interesting stuff will happen in that direction...

23) Assuming the answer to the last question is "yes", then it would appear that the Pacific settlement of Ohkotsk has now been founded. Russia has access to the sea! - only problem is that they want access to the Baltic, Black, or White seas, not some far-off place. However, a port's a port. Will Okhotsk expand faster than in OTL if Russia has no other port?
Yes, there is Ohkotsk as in OTL. Yes, it is more important. Russia does already have access to the Black Sea (but no means to get through the Romanian Straits).

24) Why did Empress Cristina's guards allow Iulia into the room in the middle of the night? Surely they would have known that Cristina would automatically assume that someone pouncing on her is an assassin?
"It will be a surprise!" Anyway, nobody dared argue with Iulia. And the guards had not thought that Iulia would physically jump on Cristina!

25) Which/how many languages can Cristina, Iulia, Maria, and Flora speak?
Mihai: Romanian (native), Latin (fine), German (a little), Greek (a little), Turkish (a little).
Cristina: French (native), Italian (native, from her mother), Basque (a little, from her grandmother), Latin (fine), Romanian (perfect).
Iulia: Romanian (native), Latin (very good), Greek (fine), French (very good), Italian (a little).
Maria: Romanian (native), French (native), Latin (very good), Greek (fine), Italian (a little).
Flora: Romanian (native), Latin (fine), Polish (perfect), Sarmatian (very good), Lithuanian (fine), Ruthenian (fine).


26) Is the seat of the Greek Orthodox patriarchy still located in Constantinople, or has it been relocated somewhere more sensible?
Athens (already discussed somewhere). It will get back to Constantinople, though.

27) I see that a thorough Greco-Turkish population exchange happened. So the Pontic Greeks no longer exist, while Mikrasia now has no Turks and is thoroughly Greek?
Mostly. Who was Greek or Turk was determined by religion, not language. After the Christian conquest of Asia Minor, the Greek-speaking "Turks" (Muslims) will begin to convert to Christianity and become "Greeks"... It's always complicated in the Middle East.

28) What's the most populous and/or economically prosperous part of Greece? The European mainland, the islands, or the Asian mainland?
Athens, Salonika, Smirna.

29) Will Romania or Sarmatia attempt to create an Assyrian state out of formerly-Muslim land? Or is Assyria located within the borders of what is now Persia?
No idea. Will get there later, way later. Sorry.

30) Has the Armenian population of Cilicia been deported to the new nation-state of Armenia in the population exchanges?
Yes. Most of them (see point 27).

31) Are the Druze seen as acceptable residents in the Romanian Orient, or are they lumped in as "undesirable populations" with other Muslims?
Yes, they are acceptable. For now at least. The problem is that the local Maronite elites don't like them.

32) We've seen plenty of ethnic cleansing (forced deportations), but no genocide (intentional killing of all members of an ethnic group) yet! I guess the Church would heavily object if someone attempted such a thing?
The Church would object if someone would begin to kill Christians en masse. Muslims? Maybe not.

33) How have Edisan and the new Sarmatian territories been faring in the decades since the Tatars' defeat?
Superb. The Sarmatian Black Sea Steppe is full of Poles and Lithuanians.

34) On that topic, what actually happened to the Tatars following Sarmatia's occupation of Crimea? Deportation to the Ottoman Empire, or were they allowed to stay?
There are still Tatars in Crimea. And there was a spoiler somewhere... A historian from TTL present day said something about them still living in Crimea (as a small minority though).

35) Is there still a Slovakian minority in Perekop?
No, and there never was. The Slovak Mayor and the Slovak Army left of course.

36) The Romanian Orthodox Church declared Mihai a saint; did any other churches recognize this?
The Greek Orthodox Church only.

37) Does Slovakia have more Magyars or Slovaks? Judging by the borders, both ethnic groups should be quite numerous.
Hard to tell... Let's say about 60% Slovaks, 30% Hungarians and the rest Germans, Poles, Romanians.

38) There's a Hanseatic German diaspora in the Romanian ports. Following the formation of the German nation-state, is this population more patriotic towards Romania or towards Germany? In the event of Romania and Germany falling out, would they be a fifth column?
They are 100% Germans. Yes. Yes.

39) How much of Spanish North Africa has been Christianized by now?
No census yet. Let's say about 15-20%. The process is ongoing.

40) Spain has attempted to generate a cohesive national identity, but it has three main languages. Aragonese, Castilian, and Portuguese. Which of these is most used? If Castilian, doesn't this upset the Portuguese people?
Everybody speeks "Iberian". It has three dialects. The Portuguese dialect is the base of the literary language. And the Capital is in Lisbon.

41) Do the Lipka Tatars in Sarmatia still maintain their Muslim religion, or have most of them converted to Catholicism?
No idea. Maybe I'll mention them in the next chapter about Sarmatia in Part Two.

42) With Catholicism being the state religion of Sarmatia, would it be correct to assume that the Orthodox Ruthenians do not tend to be patriotic citizens?
Correct. But most of them are "United with Rome", i.e. Eastern Catholics.

43) Do the Szekelers usually consider themselves Hungarian? Do they consider themself Romanian?
They consider themselves only Szekler. No assimilation so far (and they enjoy Protected Nation status). In OTL they only began to think of themselves as Hungarians after WW1.

44) Has there been any serious effort to reunite the Catholic and Orthodox churches?
Not yet. However, the Catholic church would see difficult times as the Catholic Great Powers (Spain, France, Sarmatia) will not be happy with the Pope being a subject of another Power (Italy). No more spoilers here...

45) Does Kalmykia follow Buddhism still, and if so does the religious difference hinder nationalism in the Russian state? I assume that the predominant religion of Russia is orthodoxy.
No idea. Are Kalmyks already there? Russian Orthodoxy is the official religion of Russia. However, there are lots of Pagans, Muslims, Buddhists and others there.

46) Why has France made no effort to incite French nationalism?
The King insists that the divine right is more important than the nation. For the time being, at least.

47) Is Occitan nationalism a realistic prospect at some point in the future due to the lack of French nationalism?
Not really. They will assimilate as in OTL.

48) Have Romanian families begun to adopt surnames by now?
Yes, as in OTL. Well, not the peasants...

49) What is the level of literacy amongst younger Romanians, who grew up with the new education system?
Around 20%.

50) Is Latin still the standard language of international diplomacy?
Yes, and it will remain so for the foreseable future.

Thank you again.
 
Map #45. Territorial Evolution of Germany

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Territorial Evolution of GERMANY
1610-1649

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Legend:

Red + Green + Blue: Germany during the First German War (1612 - 1616), including the occupied areas of Netherlands and Switzerland
Green
: Areas ceded to Italy at the during the First German War (Ticino Canton - Ticino State and parts of Three Leagues Canton - to Venice)
Orange + Cyan + Magenta + Grey: Areas acquired during the Second German War (1622 - 1625) - the rest of Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria and the areas ceded by France at the Great Powers Conference
Cyan + Grey: Areas ceded to Italy (Trentino, parts of Istria - to Venice), Slovakia and Hungary at the Great Powers Conference (1626)
Red + Orange + Blue + Magenta: Germany (1727 - 1643)
Yellow + Grey: Areas acquired from France as a result of the Ethnicity Censuses (1645 - 1648), Italy (Treaty), Sarmatia (Treaty) and Scandinavia (Treaty)
Blue + Magenta: Areas ceded to France as a result of the Ethnicity Censuses and Italy (Treaty)
Red + Orange + Yellow + Grey: Germany after 1649

Mnemonic: Warm colours = still German land; Cold colours = ceded; Grey = ceded but recovered.

Other Countries: France (W), Scandinavia (N), Sarmatia (NE), Slovakia (E), Hungary (E), Croatia (SE), Romania (SE), Italy (S)


Next: Italy, Sarmatia, etc...
 
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Wow, thank you so much for the replies! In hindsight, I did ask rather a lot of questions, and you answered them all perfectly :)

No idea. Are Kalmyks already there? Russian Orthodoxy is the official religion of Russia. However, there are lots of Pagans, Muslims, Buddhists and others there.
It seems that this around the time that the Kalmyks appeared. As you say, they're just one of several ethnic minorities, and Russia has lots of ethnic minorities. Don't know why I singled out the Kalmyks. Result: I guess non-Orthodox people aren't being persecuted a great deal.

Nothing much else to add– your replies are pretty comprehensive.

will just go and wait patiently for the next update :)
 

Zagan

Donor
Wow, thank you so much for the replies! In hindsight, I did ask rather a lot of questions, and you answered them all perfectly :)

It seems that this around the time that the Kalmyks appeared. As you say, they're just one of several ethnic minorities, and Russia has lots of ethnic minorities. Don't know why I singled out the Kalmyks. Result: I guess non-Orthodox people aren't being persecuted a great deal.

Nothing much else to add– your replies are pretty comprehensive.

will just go and wait patiently for the next update :)

You are welcome.

Correct. "Normal" amount of persecution of minorities in Russia (till now).

Thank you. The next chapter will be online sometime this week, probably before weekend.


And... I have a question for you: Why did you like TTL? It is not a very popular TL, you know...
 
And... I have a question for you: Why did you like TTL? It is not a very popular TL, you know...
I found it in Amber's thread in the Shared Worlds. The scenario looked interesting, so I had a look at your timeline... and it was very interesting, so I kept reading it... :)
@fluttersky: Oh... and another question, if you don't mind...

Do you want to play some chess games on chess.com with me (since we are both members)?
Okay! I'm not sure how you know I have a chess.com account, and I don't use it much, but here it is: https://www.chess.com/members/view/Nyx6

Feel free to challenge me to a game. :)
 

Zagan

Donor
I found it in Amber's thread in the Shared Worlds. The scenario looked interesting, so I had a look at your timeline... and it was very interesting, so I kept reading it... :)

Okay! I'm not sure how you know I have a chess.com account, and I don't use it much, but here it is: https://www.chess.com/members/view/Nyx6

Feel free to challenge me to a game. :)

In @fluttersky, there is a link to your wikipedia page and there is a link to your chess.com account. It's neither magic nor hacking! :)
I'll send you a friend request in chess.com to see when you are online and I will challange you to a game. Thanks.
 
Map #46. Territorial Evolution of Italy

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Territorial Evolution of ITALY
1614-1648

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Legend:

Red + Yellow + Cyan + Blue: Italy before 1614
Red + Cyan (in the SE) + Blue (in the SE): Free Italian States - Venice, Rome, etc
Yellow + Cyan (in the NW): Occupied Italian States (until 1644) - Nice, Piedmont, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta, Naples
Orange
+ Grey: Areas ceded by Germany during the German Civil Wars (1614 - 1626)
Blue: Areas lost to France (Savoy) and Greece (Crete - not on the map, Southern Ionian Islands) before 1641
Red + Orange + Yellow + Cyan + Grey: Italy (1626 - 1641)
Cyan + Grey: Areas lost to Romania (Corfu, Valona, Cattaro, Ragusa), Croatia (Central Dalmatia), Germany (parts of Istria), France (parts of Piedmont, parts of Nice) in 1641 - 1648
Green: Areas ceded by Germany (Trieste, etc) and Spain (Tripolitania, Tunisia, Constantinia) in 1644 - 1649
Red + Orange + Yellow + Green: Italy after 1649
Magenta: North African claim inherited from Spain

Other Countries: Spain (SW), France (NW), Germany (N), Croatia (NE), Hungary (NE), Romania (E), Greece (E), Egypt (SE)


Next: Sarmatia (a little later)...
 
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Map #47. Territorial Evolution of Sarmatia

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Territorial Evolution of SARMATIA
1603-1649

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Legend:

Red + Blue (in the center) + Orange + Cyan (in the West): Sarmatia before 1602
Red + Blue (in the center) + Cyan (in the West): Sarmatia Proper
Orange
: Dependencies - Zaporozhian Sich, Prussia, Livonia (annexed around 1610)
Yellow + Cyan (in the East): Areas annexed (1603 - 1620) - Black Sea Steppe (from Tatars), Cisdenepria (traded from Romania), Estonia (from Sweden), Ingria, Smolensk, Severia, Azov Steppe (from Russia)
Blue (in the center): Traded to Romania (1604)
Red + Orange + Yellow + Cyan: Sarmatia before the Anti-Ottoman Crusade (1622)
Green + Cyan (in the SE) + Blue (in the SE): Areas annexed (1623 - 1627) - Osel (bought from Denmark), Perekop (bought from Slovakia), Crimea (from Tatars and Ottoman Empire), Azov (from Ottoman Empire), Transazovia (from Tatars, Circassians), Abkhazia (from Ottoman Empire)
Magenta: Junior partner in an Dynastic Union (Finland, until sold to Scandinavia) and Protectorates (Georgia, Armenia - not in the map, until influence lost in Romania's favour)
Grey: Short-lived influence (abortive Cossack State in Southern Russia)
Blue (in the SE): Areas lost before the Second European War - Abkhazia (sold to Georgia), Small Black Sea Outlet (sold to Russia)
Red + Orange + Yellow + Cyan + Green: Sarmatia (1627 - 1643)
Cyan: Areas lost after 1644 - to Germany (Treaty), to Russia (most of Smolensk, part of Severia, part of Transazovia), to Scandinavia (Ingria)
Red + Orange + Yellow + Green: Sarmatia after 1649

Other Countries: Scandinavia (NW and N), Russia (E), Georgia (SE), Romania (S), Slovakia (SW), Hungary (SW), Croatia (SW), Italy (SW), Germany (W)


Other Maps with territorial changes:

Britannia: No territorial changes in Europe (1602 - 1649)

Scandinavia: Territorial changes in Europe mostly covered in the Map of Sarmatia (except Whiteland, conquered from Russia)

Russia: Territorial changes in Europe mostly covered in the Map of Sarmatia (except some areas in the Northern Caucasus, conquered from the local Muslims / Ottoman Empire)

Slovakia, Hungary, Greece, Georgia, Armenia: Territorial changes will be covered in the Map of Romania

Romania: Next (coming soon)

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So, i take it from the map that russia'so only access to the black Sea is along that strip West of Sochi. While that does give Russia a port, it can't be a particularly useful port as its only access to the rest of Russia is over the western shoulder of the Caucasus mountains. I had originally assumed that russia had gained control of at least the mouth of the Don river, but it appears that all of the coast of the sea of azov is in Sarmatian hands. So Russia really has no useful ports at all.
 
Also, I noticed that the croatian/Romanian border almost exactly matches the OTL croatian/Bosnian border. Does that border predate the POD? Or is it just convergence??
 

Zagan

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So, i take it from the map that russia'so only access to the black Sea is along that strip West of Sochi. While that does give Russia a port, it can't be a particularly useful port as its only access to the rest of Russia is over the western shoulder of the Caucasus mountains. I had originally assumed that russia had gained control of at least the mouth of the Don river, but it appears that all of the coast of the sea of azov is in Sarmatian hands. So Russia really has no useful ports at all.
That's correct. Except the fact with the mountains, because there isn't any height greater than around 600 meters (1800 feet) between the Volga and the Coast.

Anyway, no Black Sea port is really useful, since Romania controls the Marmara.

Also, I noticed that the croatian/Romanian border almost exactly matches the OTL croatian/Bosnian border. Does that border predate the POD? Or is it just convergence??
That border is really ancient.

All borders that I have invented do not correspond exactly with OTL borders (except rivers and mountain tops of course).
 
That's correct. Except the fact with the mountains, because there isn't any height greater than around 600 meters (1800 feet) between the Volga and the Coast.

Goes to show how misleading Google maps' 'terrain' mode can be. As you say, the last high mountains are inland from Sochi. After that, what looks like mountains on Google maps are just low hills (I looked up an elevation map). So easy to run a road across but still no river routes across and not easy to dig a canal. Not that russia'so going to be digging any canals any time soon.

Anyway, no Black Sea port is really useful, since Romania controls the Marmara.

True, unless Russia and Romania form a pan-orthodox alliance against sarmatia??

That border is really ancient.

All borders that I have invented do not correspond exactly with OTL borders (except rivers and mountain tops of course).

Huh. I'm surprised it doesn't appear on most of the historical maps that I use for reference (e.g. https://goo.gl/images/TvdoAi)
In my TL I definitely assumed that the crotia-Bosnia border was made in the 18th century after the hapsburgs completed the reconquest of Croatia. Clearly my assumption was wrong. I guess it was an older border that the ottomans ignore but was reused once Croatia was back in hapsburg hands.
 

Zagan

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1. Goes to show how misleading Google maps' 'terrain' mode can be. As you say, the last high mountains are inland from Sochi. After that, what looks like mountains on Google maps are just low hills (I looked up an elevation map).

2. So easy to run a road across but still no river routes across and not easy to dig a canal. Not that russia'so going to be digging any canals any time soon.

3. True, unless Russia and Romania form a pan-orthodox alliance against sarmatia??

4. Huh. I'm surprised it doesn't appear on most of the historical maps that I use for reference (e.g. https://goo.gl/images/TvdoAi)
In my TL I definitely assumed that the crotia-Bosnia border was made in the 18th century after the hapsburgs completed the reconquest of Croatia. Clearly my assumption was wrong. I guess it was an older border that the ottomans ignore but was reused once Croatia was back in hapsburg hands.

1. Correct. I never use "terrain mode". The elevations in Google Earth however are pretty accurate and dependable.

2. Correct. Canals are being dug ITTL in Romania (Suez / Sinai and others), Germany (Kiel and others) and less in other countries.

3. I will neither confirm nor deny this. However, right now, Romania and Sarmatia are happily allied. An alliance with Russia against Sarmatia would benefit Russia (with the Ruthenian Lands) and less so Romania as the neighbouring Sarmatian territory is either Catholic or Ruthenian.

4. I checked the historic Croatian borders again and you are partly right here. The situation is like this:
- Croatia - Slovenia: first Millenium, SE HRE border in the exact location, never changed;
- Croatia - Hungary: Middle Ages, fixed on the Drava River some times (and natural border since being on an important river);
- Croatia - Bosnia (Northern part): Middle Ages, fixed on the Sava River some times (and natural border since being on an important river);
- Croatia - Bosnia (Middle part): not present in the Middle Ages (I was wrong here, but it is a natural border - high on the Dinaric Alps);
- Croatia - Bosnia (Southern part): Middle Ages, the borders of the Republic of Ragusa, including that little Bosnian Adriatic coast (area gifted by the Ragusans to the Ottomans because they wanted to lose their border with the Venetian Colonies further North).


The issue of old, stable borders versus newly created ones is very interesting and important for us, AH writers (the Damned Kazakh Border TM being an extreme example).

I would very much like a map with current borders being color coded by the date they first appeared in history at the same location. It would be extremely useful.

I think that a collaborative effort in the Maps and Graphics Forum would be the best way to create such a map. I will start a thread there and I hope to get some help.
 

Zagan

Donor
The next chapter will be online sometime this week, probably before weekend.
The maps took a long time to finish, so the promised update will be a little late.

The issue of old, stable borders versus newly created ones is very interesting and important for us, AH writers (the Damned Kazakh Border TM being an extreme example).

I would very much like a map with current borders being color coded by the date they first appeared in history at the same location. It would be extremely useful.

I think that a collaborative effort in the Maps and Graphics Forum would be the best way to create such a map. I will start a thread there and I hope to get some help.

Here it is: Border Age Map(s)
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Map #49. Territorial Evolution of Romania and the Orient

Zagan

Donor
Territorial Evolution of ROMANIA,
Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Greece, Armenia and Georgia

1601-1650

territorial_evolution_of_romania__1601_1652__by_zagan7-dcknzoi.png

Legend:

Red: The Romanian Principalities (Wallachia, Moldavia, Transylvania) in 1601
Orange: Areas acquired by The Romanian Lands (Romania) until 1605 (Gyula 1601, Someșana 1601, Hotin 1601, Turnu 1601, Giurgiu 1601, Brăila 1601, Bessarabia 1601, Banat 1602, Crișana 1602, Edisan 1602, Pokuttya 1604, Southern Podolia 1604)
Red + Orange: Romanian Lands / Romania (1605 - 1622)
Hatched Yellow + Hatched Cyan: Areas aquired by Romania in the First Anti-Ottoman War (most of Ottoman Europe)
Diagonal Hatches: Romania (1625 - 1630)
Yellow: Areas aquired by Romania in the Second Anti-Ottoman War (most of Ottoman Thrace, Thasos, Samothrace, Lebanon, Holy Land, Sinai)
Hatched Cyan: Areas ceded by Romania (1625 - 1627) to Greece (Thessaly, Littoral Macedonia, Preveza Area of Epirus), Hungary (most of Transdanubia), Croatia (part of Slavonia)
Grey: Areas exchanged (Cisdenepria - by Romania with Sarmatia for Pokuttya and Southern Podolia; Cyrenaica - by Romania with Egypt for Sinai; Fiume Area - By Croatia with Germany for Central Dalmatia)
Red + Orange + Yellow: Romania (1630 - 1641)
Magenta: Areas aquired by Romania in the Second European War (Corfu, Valona, Cattaro, Ragusa - from Venice, Marmara Demilitarized Area, Constantinople, Asia Minor, Sinope, Syria - from Ottoman State)
Horizontal Hatches: Islamic Protectorates after the Second European War (Turkey, Levant)
Red + Orange + Yellow + Magenta: Romania after 1650

Green: Slovakia, Greece, Georgia during the First Anti-Ottoman War
Cyan: Areas gained (1625 - 1630) by Slovakia (from Ottoman Empire, Germany), Hungary (from Romania, Germany), Croatia (from Romania), Greece (from Venice, Ottoman Empire, Romania), Georgia (from Sarmatia, Ottoman Empire), Armenia (from Ottoman Empire, Persia)
Blue: Areas gained (1642 - 1650) by Croatia (from Venice), Greece (from Turkey), Armenia (from Turkey)

All Colors (except Grey) + Horizontal Hatches: Romania and countries and territories under Romanian occupation, protectorate, influence, etc, after 1650


End of the Territorial Evolution Maps (from the first half of the 17th century).
In Part Two, we will have more Maps (including the rest of the World). Stay tuned...
 
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