Union and Liberty: An American TL

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Awesome! Certainly looking forward to it.

I hope you don't mind Wilcox, while the TL is in recap mode, I made this collage with iTTL's Presidents up till now, (plus TR since we know he will be there), just thought of posing it as a visual guide. I don't think I missed anyone. Interestingly you can divide the whole set into four even chapters: pre-POD, pre-National War, National War and Reconstruction, and Silver Bust and Boom. Here it is:
That looks great jycee! It's interesting that as you said you can divide it into four parts so far. And it highlights the bitchin' late 19th century facial hair. :cool:

Glad to see this story is still going. Really do wish we could break off a few parts of California though, the U.S. still looks pretty wonky.
Also, have you considered splitting New Mexico in half? It'd look better by a long shot. :D
Don't worry, the US will take some of California. But that will be during the Great War, so it's still a ways away.
 
Don't worry, the US will take some of California. But that will be during the Great War, so it's still a ways away.


That's very disappointing. It has been encouraging to see a thoughtful and innovative timeline that didn't devolve into jingoism or americentric determinism. There was a kind of promise and excitement to be had with your California, something unique and uncommonly novel about your approach to alternate history that really had me going there for a minute. Appealing to the lowest common denominator on this topic is honestly disheartening.
 
About those 19th century beards. Wilcox you get extra points for keeping them popular, or bringing them back in the late 20th century. If tech development continues as its going in TTL then I reckon its going to be very different from OTL by 2011. So I don't see why they can't come back at some point.

That's very disappointing. It has been encouraging to see a thoughtful and innovative timeline that didn't devolve into jingoism or americentric determinism. There was a kind of promise and excitement to be had with your California, something unique and uncommonly novel about your approach to alternate history that really had me going there for a minute. Appealing to the lowest common denominator on this topic is honestly disheartening.

He said "some of California". I have been avidly advocating its independence. Since I agree that full annexation is too ameri-wankish, and there is no reason for the US to do so (I would only bring itself more problems). It would make much more sense for it to annex the much less densely populated, Hudson territory and perhaps Deseret.

However is some of California is annexed, I guess Espejo (basically Utah) makes some sense.

I'd still think coolest scenario would be California as TTL equivalent of Cuba. The US instals a pro-US government for the first half of the 20th century, then a nationalistic government takes over. California isolates itself; and freezes in the 1950s as it slowly deteriorates. And opens up 50 years later when it becomes a new tourist hotspot and the world's largest casino (which we know is exactly what will happen to Cuba in a few years).
 
Awesome! Certainly looking forward to it.

I hope you don't mind Wilcox, while the TL is in recap mode, I made this collage with iTTL's Presidents up till now, (plus TR since we know he will be there), just thought of posing it as a visual guide. I don't think I missed anyone. Interestingly you can divide the whole set into four even chapters: pre-POD, pre-National War, National War and Reconstruction, and Silver Bust and Boom. Here it is:

Very nice presidential collage. May I ask how you made it?
 

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Just a heads up about the Treaty of Nampo: The town's name at around this time would be Jin'nampo (changed to Nampo in 1952), so you might want to edit things.
 
The World in a New Century, Section II: The Laurentine Countries
Next part of the world overview is done! It's a short one for now.

The World in a New Century, Section II: The Laurentine Countries
Published by the McNally Corporation in Chicago, 1901.

Much of the land north of the United States is held by Great Britain. While Newfoundland and the Labrador coast are governed directly by Parliament, the other British possessions in the Laurentine region are dominions. This means that they have a degree of self-government, but still hold Queen Victoria as their head of state and are under the sovereignty of the British Empire. The British dominions north of the United States are the Acadian Union, Canada, Deseret and the Hudson Bay Company. Aside from these countries, Russia also possesses the Alyeska colony in the far northwest of the North American continent.

The governments and cultures of the different British dominions are all very different. The Acadian Union is the furthest to the east, and is a collection of the smaller provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island. Due to the great number of Irish migrants in Acadia, Gaelic has replaced English as the main tongue spoken there. Canada, meanwhile, is mostly divided between French and English speakers. Canada has a bicameral Parliament similar to that in London, but peculiarly, the two houses are in separate cities. The Senate of Canada serves in Kingston, Ontario, while the House of Commons is located in Montreal in Quebec[1].

Continuing west from Canada, the other two British colonies north of the United States are Deseret and New Caledonia. Deseret was settled by Mormons after they left the United States and has a bicameral legislature similar to the United States and Great Britain. Deseret has become very rich as a vital transportation link between the resources of the Hudson Bay Company's operations to the west and the major cities to the east. The Hudson Bay Company operates over all of the Dominion of New Caledonia and has a great influence in affairs there, approaching the authority the East India Company has in the Indian subcontinent. The few English settlements in New Caledonia are on the coasts of either Hudson Bay or the Pacific Ocean, or along the railroad that connects the two. While the region is rich in mining and agricultural wealth, it is still mostly settled by Indians, similar to the Great Plains territories in the United States.

Besides the British, the Russians also possess a colony in North America. The colony, called Alyeska, has recently become very wealthy for the Russian Empire with the discovery of abundant resources of gold and silver in the mountains and rivers. The cities of Sitka and Rodagrad[2] are the main cities in Alyeska. The gold in Alyeska is easily found by panning the Yukon and other rivers, but most of this gold goes to the Tsar in Saint Petersburg. The ore mining has attracted many settlers not just from the Russian Empire but also from California, and the United States in the past decade, but few Americans and Californians have stayed due to the horrific winter climate.

[1] No repeal of the Corn Laws means no movement from Kingston, but the French get uppity about where the Parliament is located eventually.
[2] OTL Nome, at one point the largest city in Alaska. Rodagrad means "ore city".
 
I loved TTL. It is the only pre-1900 one that I actually read. Two questions I must ask: How is the Indian Raj doing? And does the Empire of Brazil still exist?

P.S: Should I be worried at the direction Britain seems to be taking politically ITTL?
 
Awesome! So is Alyeska staying Russian? It seem sit is finally paying of them as a colony.

Also how theocratic/theodemocratic is Deseret? Does the local branch of the LDS Church in much power? And how diffrent are they from the Mormons in Espejo, California? It seems that they got the better part of the deal, in their choice of settlement despite the weather.

Keep it up Wilcox!
 
Interesting. So there's a transcontinental railroad in Canada (New Caledonia) as well, eh?
Yep, although it follows a bit of a more northerly route than OTL since it connects up to York Factory as well.

I loved TTL. It is the only pre-1900 one that I actually read. Two questions I must ask: How is the Indian Raj doing? And does the Empire of Brazil still exist?

P.S: Should I be worried at the direction Britain seems to be taking politically ITTL?
Thanks! :) I'm not quite sure how the Raj is doing beyond the Ganges Revolt. But yes, you probably should be worried by where Britain's going. Political cartoonists won't call this time period the VicToryan era for nothing. ;) And yes, the Empire of Brazil still exists.

Awesome! So is Alyeska staying Russian? It seem sit is finally paying of them as a colony.

Also how theocratic/theodemocratic is Deseret? Does the local branch of the LDS Church in much power? And how diffrent are they from the Mormons in Espejo, California? It seems that they got the better part of the deal, in their choice of settlement despite the weather.

Keep it up Wilcox!
I've been mulling over how much theocratic influence on politics there should be in Deseret. There will be a lot of informal influence of course, but I think Britain might be more willing to allow some formal influence by the LDS.

Sitka is not a city in Alyaska, but a separate administrative region of Russian America.
Oops, forgot about that. :eek: Just think of Alyeska as being the catch-all term of the time for Russian North America.
 
Yep, although it follows a bit of a more northerly route than OTL since it connects up to York Factory as well.

Thanks! :) I'm not quite sure how the Raj is doing beyond the Ganges Revolt. But yes, you probably should be worried by where Britain's going. Political cartoonists won't call this time period the VicToryan era for nothing. ;) And yes, the Empire of Brazil still exists.

I've been mulling over how much theocratic influence on politics there should be in Deseret. There will be a lot of informal influence of course, but I think Britain might be more willing to allow some formal influence by the LDS.

Oops, forgot about that. :eek: Just think of Alyeska as being the catch-all term of the time for Russian North America.

That's worrying. BTW, how much longer will Baden last, sandwiched between Germany and France? And did Bismarck ever rise to power ITTL? If so, were the flaws that were in OTL Germany's Constitution avoided?
 
Another wonderful update, Wilcoxchar. It's interesting to see the lack of development of a Canadian identity in this timeline, as there's less communication and settlement in the West, and more Gaels in the Maritimes.

Has Brazil abolished slavery peacefully, or are they still going on with that abomination? Dom Pedro II stayed Emperor until his death, correct? That probably means that Isabel is now Empress; unless Pedro skipped over her, as he might have. He had serious doubts about handing over the throne to a woman; in fact, since both of his sons died young, he fatalistically believed that the empire was fated to end with him, and had already started preparing for the transition to a republic when he was ousted. So is Isabel the Empress, or did he find someone else to take up the mantle? If he tries to find someone else, my suggestion would be his grandson, Prince Luis, by all accounts a powerful and energetic man. If he seems too young, then.... I couldn't find any other likely candidates. Good luck!

Keep up the great work!

Cheers,
Ganesha
 
And yes, the Empire of Brazil still exists.
Great!:cool:
I've been mulling over how much theocratic influence on politics there should be in Deseret. There will be a lot of informal influence of course, but I think Britain might be more willing to allow some formal influence by the LDS.
Assuming there's religious toleration, political freedom and they are loyal subjects of the Crown, there shouldn't be many problems with Britain.
 
Awesome! So is Alyeska staying Russian? It seem sit is finally paying of them as a colony.

I certainly hope not........(p.s. Wilcox, I'd love to see the U.S. snatch Alaska from the Tsarists, too. It'd give Moscow a nice little wake up call.....)

Also how theocratic/theodemocratic is Deseret? Does the local branch of the LDS Church in much power? And how diffrent are they from the Mormons in Espejo, California? It seems that they got the better part of the deal, in their choice of settlement despite the weather.

Keep it up Wilcox![/QUOTE]

IMO, a liberal/progressive branch of Mormonism would be pretty interesting to see......:D
 
Has Brazil abolished slavery peacefully, or are they still going on with that abomination? Dom Pedro II stayed Emperor until his death, correct? That probably means that Isabel is now Empress; unless Pedro skipped over her, as he might have. He had serious doubts about handing over the throne to a woman; in fact, since both of his sons died young, he fatalistically believed that the empire was fated to end with him, and had already started preparing for the transition to a republic when he was ousted. So is Isabel the Empress, or did he find someone else to take up the mantle? If he tries to find someone else, my suggestion would be his grandson, Prince Luis, by all accounts a powerful and energetic man. If he seems too young, then.... I couldn't find any other likely candidates. Good luck!

Keep up the great work!

Cheers,
Ganesha
You'll find out more about Brazil later in the overview. ;) I haven't really thought about who will succeed Dom Pedro II. Butterflies might be able to justify the survival of Pedro or even Afonso. Barring that, I think Prince Luis probably would be the best person, though Isabel might not like it unless she gets to be regent.
 
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