False Idols
Northern China

In the primordial legends of the Kitai people, Yaol Tuyubayan, Khan of the Kitai, was descended from the Sun itself. Regardless of the veracity of this outlandish claim, his star certainly would burn brightest on the steppe after the mass migration of the Uighur people southwards. The Yaol dynasty were somewhat more Sinicized than their Uighur cousins, and although they had married into the Jaylaqar Dynasty, and were its nominal subjects, in practice they controlled their own confederation, including the Ishih and Shiwei tribes, the latter of which were themselves of Uighur blood. Those among their civilization who were literate used the Uighur script to write their own language.

Accordingly, they had remarkable strength and also the trust of the Uighurs, who believed that the Yaol were loyal subjects without ambitions of their own. Accordingly, they actively encouraged the Kitai to assume greater authority on the steppe, and provide a shield against the peoples of Manchuria. Yaol Tuyubayan had been stymied in his attempts to sweep south against the province of You, despite large resources and his own capable but uninspired military acumen, by the clever schemes of Guo Yaoshi. However, with the collapse of the Qi regime, the Kitai benefitted immensely. The province of You and parts of Heibei were given to the Kitai to govern, as the overstretched Uighurs desperately needed the support of their allies.

Yaol Tuyubayan rose from strength to strength in the court of the Jaylaqar, being named after his victory in You the Satrap or Duke of that country and lavished with great gifts, arousing the anger of Eltemish's half-brother and viceroy, the Yabgu Hala, who had remained in Ordubeliq and saw firsthand the encroachment of the Kitan.

However, for the time being that anger would come to nothing. Hala had few options to make his discontent known, for Eltemish was greatly popular among his tribe, and had found himself believing the glorious epithets that his people lauded on him, that he was a god incarnate and the sovereign of all the rivers and streams beneath the clear blue sky. Settling in to rulership was distasteful to him, however. Even when he had made his residence in Ordubeliq, Eltemish had been accustomed to frequent movement and had rarely remained in the same part of his domain for more than a month. The notion of establishing himself in a single Chinese city and ruling as the North King was inconceivable to him.

Eltemish, having wrested most of northern China from its traditional rulers desired nothing more than a return to the old times, of sending embassies and making outrageous demands and watching the wealth pour northwards.

Furthermore, a mere four years after the conquest, a series of bitter winters drove his people ever more southwards. Yabgu Hala persuaded his half-brother to issue a series of decrees confiscating vast tracts of land in the north from their present owners, to allow his own people to settle it. Many Chinese landholders were stripped of their possessions without ceremony and their resentment of the new Uighur overlords only grew. Eltemish had only halfheartedly adopted the bureaucratic system of the Qi, and primarily used it as a machine of state oppression of the peasants, making increasingly impossible demands on the surviving bureaucracy but otherwise treating the long history and culture of conquered China with a casual disdain. The bureaucracy was turned, effectively, into a method of extracting wealth from native manufacturing and trade and distributing it amongst the unproductive aristocratic class.

The Uighur who settled the garrison cities, however, were generally not as incompetent or cruel as their central government would suggest. The settled or semi-settled life was not unknown to many of those who made up the first wave of migrants, and as such as a new aristocracy and occupying force they tended to be relatively fair, if socially and culturally distinct from their neighbors. Despite the common conception of the Uighur settlers as barbarians, many adapted quickly to the settled life and began learning the local language. It would be perhaps a decade before laws were passed banning the Uighurs from adopting Chinese dress and certain Chinese customs, and these would be only poorly enforced.

Rebellions were commonplace, however. The garrison towns were often immediate targets, as were bureaucratic offices at the village level. The bureaucracy now operated as agents of the northern king, and as such hatred for the scholar-bureaucrats among the peasantry grew rapidly. Attempts to regulate the activities of Daoist monks and other folk preachers tended to backfire and only spread their creeds faster. In this era, many intellectuals and native Chinese with means fled the north, either to the Goryeo Kingdom or to the war-torn south, depending on proximity.

These rebellions were rarely successful. Most rose up too quickly, without garnering more than local support and accordingly were forced into rough country to eke out a living as bandits or slaughtered as an example to others. Ironically, the one successful rebellion would come from the north. Eltemish was growing old. The "god incarnate" had been showing increasingly erratic behavior and his popularity was lessened. His victories were long past, and though he had long favored Hala to succeed him, he changed his mind after a particularly vicious argument and chose his son, Inantengin.

It was a second freezing winter and subsequent famine on the steppe, in 876, that forced matters to the breaking point. Yaol Tuyubayan, now an elderly man, had several ambitious sons, and he sent them forth into the Uighur lands to raid, sensing their weakness and knowing his own more temperate lands had largely been spared the brutal famine. Betraying his alliance, he sacked Ordubeliq. Hala led what was effectively a mass of refugees southwards, and upon meeting his brother, Eltemish flew into a rage. Hala, Eltemish claimed, was responsible for their defeat and the Kitan betrayal.

Hala refused to accept any punishment, and pitched fighting broke out between the royal troops and the fleeing Uighur clans, which were, once all stragglers were accounted for, a large portion of those in the north, and indeed all those who had not chosen submission to the Kitai. The settled Uighurs had become soft, it is said, and offered a poor fight, but ultimately Hala would lead many of their people westward, into country subject to the Bod, where his people would thrive as mercenaries and warriors. Many still would carry on even further west, and signs of their distinctive culture can be seen as far west as the Caspian.

The remainder of these refugees demanded settlement rights, which Eltemish was forced to grant, carving out new garrison towns and reallocating land across the north. When his father died two years later, in 878, Inantengin would lead an indecisive war against the Kitai, recovering much of the old Uighur empire and allowing the refugees to reclaim their old homeland. However, the damage was done. Uighur prestige dropped to a low ebb, and by 900, when Inantengin died, their state seemed to be tottering on the brink of collapse.

False Idols and the Kurdish Empire

With the rise to power of Tarkhsigh Arslan in 903, after the tyrannical but nonetheless centralizing reign of his father Aghatsagh, the Aghatsaghid Empire seemed perhaps poised for a return to some of its former prominence. However, little could be further from the truth.

The slow territorial decline of the Aghatsaghid Empire had seen the growth of religious turmoil, simmering under the surface. Buddhism was the majority religion in the Aghatsaghid dominion, particularly among the urban populations and those of Turkish or Eftal ancestry. Baharas, or Buddhist temples and monasteries, were ubiquitous, and though the fire-temples endured among the rural population, their "low church" Zoroastrian faith had become very much enmeshed with the Buddhist tradition. The syncretic faith that emerged gradually lost its distinctions with Sogdian Buddhism to the point that by the tenth century the distinction was largely immaterial, though undoubtedly meaningful to those who observed the Zoroastrian faith.

The "Sogdian" Buddhism patronized and popularized by the Eftal remained the dominant form of Buddhism in Iran, and subscribed for the most part to the broader Mahayana tradition. A large pantheon of Indo-Iranian divinities existed and often competed with Arhats and Bodhisattvas for the affection of lay devotees. Most of these deities had some tangential connection to Buddhism - Mihir, for example, had been gradually recast as a defender of the religious community and a god of enlightened inspiration.

However, the decline of the Aghatsaghid state, much like the decline of the Eftal state several centuries earlier, brought about new uncertainties for the rural peasant community. Turkish raids, launched by both the Bajinak rulers of Azerbaijan and the Oghuz on the steppes left the countryside unsafe, despite the best efforts of the Aghatsaghid armies.

These uncertainties were compounded by a new religious movement, called the Nowbahar, or new temple faction. Beginning with the writings of an Ifthal-Iranian monk named Narseh circa 905, it spread rapidly and gained meteoric support among the lay community, and slowly among the more inertia-ridden monastic community as well. The Nowbahar movement began as a tract speaking against the luxury and excess in which the "pagan temple priests" lived. The Eftal had long given generously to temples and had special cultural prohibitions against harming them, even if they were not of their faith. The Turks had largely adopted these same prohibitions, and accordingly temples throughout post-Eftal history were likely to endure any raids or violence unscathed, with rare exceptions.

Pagan temples accordingly made an easy target - theirs priests tended to have a privileged position in society, and their temples tended to be opulent and laden with riches stockpiled during raids. In many senses during times of uncertainty the pagan temples became banks of a sort - places where wealth could often be kept safe.

Narseh's writings also condemned the over focus on gods. The worship of gods, he claimed, were a distraction from the pursuit of enlightenment, and more often the worship of them was a trick or a ruse designed to leave mankind in accursed ignorance. Were the Bodhisattvas insufficient? Worship of the gods would drive a person away from the pursuit of nirvana. When a man sacrificed to a god, he told the god his desires, and prayed that they would be fulfilled. The gods thus kept men in cruel and subtle chains of suffering.

The movement rapidly lost sight of its original author, as other monks took to writing similar polemics and incited mobs to frequently loot and destroy the "temples of deceit and ignorance." Despite the fact that this was not Narseh's intention, and later in life he wrote often condemning all who would resort to violence, he was ultimately blamed, arrested, and executed by the local Aghatsaghid Vayan. This would make a martyr of him, and exacerbate tensions.

Finally, Tarksigh Arslan intervened, holding a great religious debate in Kabul, in which the Sogdian school side came off looking worse, not the least because the debate was rigged in their favor in such a way as became obvious and humiliated the Shah as host. The Nowbahar only gained prestige, rallying around a new figure, a scholar by the name of Vankavadh of Darai, a rhetorical firebrand who lacked Narseh's moderation of tone. Tarksigh Arslan was finally forced in 926 to accommodate Vankavadh, coming to terms with the radical preacher and abandoning his patronage of many traditional temples, and ordering the destruction of several particular offenders.

While the Nowbahar movement consolidated its hold over the hearts and minds of the Buddhist community, it faced strong opposition from the rural Zoroastrian peasants, whose fire temples were the heart of their communities, and many of the Ifthal landholders whose culture prohibited the desecration of holy sites both true and false. Rightly, they pointed out that many Buddhist monasteries and stupas were equally decadent and ornate, and yet those were passed over, and many Bodhisattvas were worshipped in ways hardly distinct from their worship of Mihir and Ohrmazd. Violence broke out as the Ifthal, despite frequently being Buddhists, found themselves allied with the folk Zoroastrians to defend traditional sites of worship.

Into this breakdown of order came Husrava "the Great" Mughriyani (907-938) - the man who transformed the Kurdish state into an empire to rival that of the Aghatsaghids. Named after his less impressive father, he united the fracturing Kurdish states from Mosil, and then proceeded to conquer Syria after a series of brutal wars. After the destruction of the Padivayanate, he turned his attention eastward, to the crumbling Aghatsaghid Empire, where a cabal of Ifthal landowners invited him to restore order.

The first campaign was a disaster, but the Kurds learned from their defeat, learning to emulate the Turkish tactics which had outmatched them. Five years later another Kurdish invasion wrested most of western Iran from Turkish control. In 956, they would conquer Pars and Gurgan, and in 967, reduce the Aghatsaghids to their Afghani holdings. Husrava and his son Merxhas would over the course of their lives wage five great wars against the Aghatsaghids, with the help of the general Mitradharma, a half-Kurdish half-Eftal commander who finally took Kabul in 984. Merxhas would marry Mitradharma to his only child, a daughter, and it would be the general turned Shah who would first take the title of Padishah, or great king.

At first, the Kurds ruled largely through garrisoning soldiers - however, this was untenable in their clan based society, where soldiers expected to either return home and be rewarded at the end of any lengthy period of service. However, [as we will see], many of these soldiers had no home to return to. The Kurdish rulers in the Eftal style accordingly offered to grants of land to Kurdish and Ifthal veterans. The provinces were ruled by Satraps with local ties to the region and the Vayan system was abolished.

Like the Uighurs, the Kurds were a small culturally and religiously distinct ethnic group which found themselves in control of a large, heterogeneous empire which largely shared neither their language or religion. Unlike the Uighurs, the Kurds largely assimilated. Under Mitradharma, the Mughriyani dynasty claimed that they were merely a native Iranian dynasty with (totally fraudulent) ties to the Achaemenids. The Nowbahar movement had to some degree died down in its militancy by the ascension of Mitradharma, but one of the first acts of his reign was to sack several monasteries that were hotbeds of Nowbahar sentiment. As his wife and children worshiped the polytheist Yazdati gods, Mitradharma, though he himself was a Buddhist, could not allow their persecution to continue, and took harsh measures which pushed the Nowbahars underground.

[Next post covers southern China and also goes into more detail about the explosive Kurdish conquests and governance and the legacy of the Nowbahar movement. But I wanted to get this up first, to give a general overview of what happened and because I think that the Kurdish conquest of Iran will contrast nicely with the Uighur conquest of China.]
 
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Did not see the Kurds conquering like that at all.
:D

Well the Khardi have pressed the Asorig out of much of their ancestral lands and put an end to Arab raiding and really restored Mesopotamia (Xvarvaran or Asoristan) to its previous productivity.

That's a strong base for an empire, when combined with Eftal martial traditions. But don't fear I really need to write a fuller post describing the process and how Empire changes the Khardi pretty fundamentally, and how they start to assimilate like the Eftal before them.

Then I need to get to Africa. And finish up China.

Man, there are definitely times I wish I'd started a timeline with a smaller scope than the entire world. :p
 
Well the Khardi have pressed the Asorig out of much of their ancestral lands and put an end to Arab raiding and really restored Mesopotamia (Xvarvaran or Asoristan) to its previous productivity.

That's a strong base for an empire, when combined with Eftal martial traditions. But don't fear I really need to write a fuller post describing the process and how Empire changes the Khardi pretty fundamentally, and how they start to assimilate like the Eftal before them.

Then I need to get to Africa. And finish up China.

Man, there are definitely times I wish I'd started a timeline with a smaller scope than the entire world. :p

Well, as exhausting as it's been for you to write this TL, it's been just as enjoyable to read it through.

Also makes sense for the Khardi sweep eastward into the weakening lands of their predecessors if they can ward off the Arabs.
 
I'm guessing that there's at least three kinds of Uighur in this timeline. The ones in their homeland, the increasingly sinicized ones in northern China and the diaspora that spreads Uighur culture westwards.

Will the Jaylaqar Dynasty survive the years to come? I personally hope they will just for the butterflies on the area. Though the tyrannical abuse of the former Chinese bureaucracy would probably have to end due to the lack of a god king to boost prestige.

I'm eager to see how the Chinese refugees help boost the fortunes of the surrounding countries. A large amount of presumably wealthy and well-educated people would do wonders for their economies.
 
Did we ever establish what happened to the Magyars TTL?

I wonder if any new groups will come riding in from the east in flight from the Uigurs?
 
The Magyars are still living in the north, near the Urals. Certain tribes that made up the OTL Hungarians have been annihilated during the Eftal-Gaoche wars (528-30ish) - others have remained largely where they are, due to different circumstances not really favoring their migration and current strong rivals in the Oghuz and Khirichan Turks.
 
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Kurds and Empire
The Tai Migrations and the Southern States

The political situation in China south of the Huai did not immediately settle down, but clear divisions and independent polities emerged quickly. The strong bureaucracy that was the Qi dynasty's enduring legacy had large decentralized provincial bureaus, and these departments were utilized by local governor-generals to maintain order and establish their own petty kingdoms.

Most of the Yangzte came under the dominion of a state called the Chu Kingdom, and initially the Chu seemed to be a strong enough power that all China, or at least the south, would quickly be reunited. However, this was not to be the case. A people who in later decades would become known as the Hakka[1], northerners fleeing the Uighurs, would settle along much of the Yangzte and cause chaos and sporadic outbursts of inter-communal violence as they fought the locals for land rights. Peasant rebellions became commonplace, and the Chu struggled to maintain any sort of dominance. Anarchy ruled and many bandit warlords began to establish themselves, particularly in the Sichuan highlands, where the Chu dominion was weakest. Many of these bandit groups it seems received aid from the Tibetan Empire, who enjoyed the lack of any strong rival and sought to leave the Chu as weakened and divided as possible while also ensuring that the bandits kept looking inwards and did not stray too far West.

Another governor-general based state was the Wu Kingdom, which ruled the former Qi province of Jiangnan. It benefitted from its coastal position and rule of many major cities who did trade with the Srivijayans. Large foreign mercantile populations provided critical economic support. Under the East King Li Fei, the Wu became prosperous, but they were militarily weak. They skirmishes on the Huai and Yangtze were inconclusive and like the Qi before them they were crippled by a poor military. The one campaign in which they did enjoy moderate successes was the repulse of the Red Standard Rebellion, chasing it south and inland, into the less-developed Gan river regions south of the Yangtze, in the former Qi province of Jiangnanxidao.

The Red Standard started as a collection of former military veterans and bandits, peasant armies without a meaningful cause. However, slowly they changed in organization, centralizing under the Sino-Turkish mercenary commander Anxi Yanyan, a logistical genius who organized the scattered retreat of the Red Standard. Anxi Yanyan was himself a Manichaean, a child of one of the many isolated steppe communities who maintained the "Religion of Light" despite its precipitous decline in recent centuries. Modern scholars have suggested that Anxi was perhaps inspired by the communal cultural tradition of the Mazdak or perhaps the Indian guild system - but in any case, he began to organize his soldiers into the leaders of a society of communes. Those who belonged to a Red Standard commune were expected to share all things and have no possessions not held in common. Admittance to the commune was strict - men who had fought in the Red Standard armies and their male children were the sole members, with women treated as property and all those outside of this small clique considered to be nothing more than subjects.

Many have argued that it is a clear sign of the damage that the Uighur invasion did to Chinese culture that a movement such as the Red Standard, which had little precedent in classical Chinese civilization, managed to enjoy such wild successes. However, others have pointed out that the Red Standard, with its harsh discipline and absolute communalism was influenced by certain trends in the military culture of the late Qi, where the career soldiers beneath the bureaucrat-generals held their supervisors in contempt.

In the far south, the Tai people followed the course of Annam several decades prior and broke away. The Tai were themselves somewhat unique. While they had Sinicized, the Qi dynasty called them “southern barbarians” and “wild dogs” and held them in low regard. Far from the heartland of China, the Tai accordingly were largely ignored. While their coast had several major trading posts, even these posts where far from the arterial course of the great rivers that ran through China. They had converted by and large to Buddhism, abandoning the traditional animism of their forefathers in the Liang dynasty.

With the collapse of the Qi, the Tai avenged themselves on their oppressors, destroying the postal routes and government bureaucracy which had long oppressed them. At first the rebellion was little more than any number of peasant rebellions across China, but it soon gained a distinct identity. Local leaders banded together around a figure named Huang Qian, who established the Southern Kingdom by rallying the support of the Tai people and conquering most of Guangxi and Guangdong.

However, the Tai state was in many senses little more than a tribal coalition. While the South King adopted Chinese styles, the Tai themselves were never truly Sinicized, and indeed a somewhat insular people. Economically they were dependent upon the northern, urban colonists, and their state was thus built on a relatively shaky foundation. Only time would tell if they would endure.

[1] Meaning roughly 'guest families', these people have no relation to the Hakka of OTL, who in this timeline have been butterflied out of existence, but similarly they are Han immigrants.

The Kurds build an empire


The Kurdish population, after their migration to Asoristan, experience a massive population boom. Long a marginal, pastoral people, their leaders and even many of those who had previously had little or nothing became wealthy beyond their wildest dreams. They intermarried with the Asorig and the Iranians who dwelled in the great valley and soon their numbers, to quote the Shahnama (Book of Kings) “were uncountable beneath the river of the sky.”

Huge families with many children led to a surfeit of landless sons who could expect little inheritance. As often happens in such situations, brigandage and raiding seemed increasingly viable for such outcasts – and indeed were somewhat traditional among the ancient Khardi. Having lived outside Eftal and Turkish law for centuries they were unaccustomed to being ruled directly, and raiding had always been an acceptable way of gaining resources for the clan. It was Shah Husrava who would recognize this problem and find a way to mold the Khardi into a truly effective fighting force. Rather than the core of Ifthal and Turkish mercenaries who had long been the basis of the Xvarvarani army, Husrava was the first to utilize an actual Khardi field army, disciplined and trained and recruited from among these young men who otherwise had few prospects.

However, as such an army swelled wildly beyond their biggest expectations, Husrava realized that war was necessary. Waging all-out war against his brother Kings, he brought them down one by one and then turned outwards, striking at Syria and Iran. His army was disciplined and professional by the standards of the time – thanks in no small part to Ifthal officers with a long history of warfare, and several defeats early in Husrava’s career which tempered his troops.

While the traditional Khardi tribesman fought mostly as lightly equipped, bow armed cavalry, Husrava introduced disciplined foot archers (whose front rank carried long spears or stakes) and a well-armored infantry force modelled off of some of the latter Eftal experiments with professional foot-soldiers, where the front rank was sheeted in mail and all carried heavy spears and kite-shields. Furthermore, he made the core of his army a heavily armored group of cavalry whom he called the “Immortals” – a force which would become war-winning in time, much as the cudgel-armed Eftal cavalry had. They were trained to fight with bows, the overarm spear, and spiked maces.
Of course, the Khardi victories would have been impossible if not for the rise of the Nowbahar, and the sectarian Ohrmazdist and Mihirist movements[2] that rose in response to the iconoclastic Nowbahar. With the power of the temples under direct threat, the Aghatsaghid state was weakened and thus easy prey for the Khardi.

Khardi dominion, which would expand to include Armenia and Azerbijan by 978, and much of Cappadocia by 994, was ensured by their practice of settling garrison towns, much like the Uighurs had centuries before. Finding common cause with the god-worshippers against the Nowbahar, they were able to gain a measure of popular support as well. Under the Padishah Mitradharma, the Nowbahar were forced underground – however many of their kind would flee north to the Khirichan and others would continue to preach in secret, a fact which would alienate the Khardi from the monastery communities which had remained at the center of Eftal and Aghatsaghid cultural life.

Mitradharma also was at times willing to compromise with outsiders, such as allowing a Bajinak Turkish satrap to rule in Azerbijan and a Monophysite Christian to rule Armenia. In general, the Khardi had a better relationship with the remaining Christians under their rule than the Aghatsaghids had been able to maintain – Christ was considered an incarnate god in the complex synthesized theology of the Khardi as well, and while the Christians did not necessarily return the same tolerance they were shown, Khardi rule could at times prove relatively light.

During the latter years of Mitradharma’s reign, particularly the Siege of Nyssa[3], we also have our first depiction of a Khardi army that had utilized firepowder, the technique of which had been learnt from the Avagana people of Balkh, who had been subjugated several decades before, but whose warrior-guilds made extensive use of a “sticky fire” in battle.[4] Of particular note is an attempt to sap the walls using a great concentration of the powder, and while this attempt notably failed, it made “such a demonic sound and vision that it seemed all the armies of hell had come into concordant with the pagan Mitradarmes.”

[2] Later names given by historians, the Iranian god-worshipping movements were not well-organized in contrast to the Nowbahar, and never rallied around a single identity. The most famous of these was a rebel army led by Adurbayan, an Eftal warlord whose folk religious teachings echoed the apocalyptic, gnostic formula of the Mahadevists and the latter Mazdakists. These armed insurrections largely prevented the utter dominance of the Nowbahar, however they led to the utter destabilization of the Aghatsaghid state.

[3] The capital of the Asian state of Cappadocia.

[4] Avagana are a polyglot people, who alternately claim to be descendants of the Eftal and Kamboja and other “Tokhari” peoples. An alternative theory states that they are older still than that, and are an Iranic people indigenous to the region now eponymously known as Avaganistan. Either way, it was their people who introduced firepowder in various forms to the "crossroads of civilization" having gained it from their proximity to the subcontinent, where firepowder spears had become commonplace and firepowder in a diluted form had begun being used in a variety of festivals.
 
Wait, where exactly is Asoristan?

I wonder if TTL there will be something of a continuum of increasing Kurdish influence in Western Persia. May lead to much more divergent dialects than OTL.

China seems like a mess. I'm tickled the Red Army seems to have come into existence a millennium early. I imagine they have some resemblance to the OTL Taiping in some ways too. I take it the Thai are migrating more into Southern China than Thailand proper? If so, who is living in what is OTL Thailand now?

I imagine with all these conquests the Kurds will be in the mood for some lavish monument building. I wonder if Watyan gold will be winding up decorating roofs in Mosil... Both the Kurdish empire and the Indian guild states seem ripe to receive this gold, and, with it, perhaps a bit of inflation...

Another thought, IDK if you have discussed the Caucusus much. How is Georgia doing?
 
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Just thought of something that might be worth its own update... what writing systems have become popular TTL?

The rise of Islam totally removes the Arabic script as a factor except maybe in areas touched by Saihism. Coptic will remain the script of choice in Egypt. Meanwhile, I suppose the Berbers will probably have adopted the Latin script if they didn't have their own already. I confess that now that I think about it I have NO idea what pre-Islamic Persian writing looked like :eek:. But whatever script they use has probably been picked up by the Kurds and it's probably travelled with Buddhist missionaries to the steppe tribes. Probably the missionaries in Poland and Russia are writing in some variation of it and ultimately they may adapt it for Slavic languages.

Meanwhile, we have some extensive butterflies in the Indian Ocean. I have no idea what script would be in use around OTL Pakistan. The scribes of the Savahila probably use some newly invented derivative of the Brahmanic script, similar to how Thai and Khmer were adopted OTL. Srivijaya almost certainly also uses another Indian-derived script. If the Uighurs don't already have their own alphabet they may soon start picking up Chinese writing; I can see an emperor trying (and failing) to push the adoption of a newly created Uighur script to promote ethnic solidarity like the Mongol script of OTL.

At the same time, there are plenty of places TTL where literacy has a low saturation... totally new scripts like OTL Hangul have plenty of space to be invented.
 
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Wait, where exactly is Asoristan?

I wonder if TTL there will be something of a continuum of increasing Kurdish influence in Western Persia. May lead to much more divergent dialects than OTL.

China seems like a mess. I'm tickled the Red Army seems to have come into existence a millennium early. I imagine they have some resemblance to the OTL Taiping in some ways too. I take it the Thai are migrating more into Southern China than Thailand proper? If so, who is living in what is OTL Thailand now?

I imagine with all these conquests the Kurds will be in the mood for some lavish monument building. I wonder if Watyan gold will be winding up decorating roofs in Mosil... Both the Kurdish empire and the Indian guild states seem ripe to receive this gold, and, with it, perhaps a bit of inflation...

Another thought, IDK if you have discussed the Caucusus much. How is Georgia doing?

Asoristan is just another word for Mesopotamia.

Considering that as of the last language update, Eftal/Ifthal was already a lingua franca, I imagine languages will only diverge further.

The Red Army thing didn't occur to me at all, and I have to confess to being a bit embarrassed now. So many Chinese rebellions seem to have involved a color description of some sort and I picked at random. Thailand is organized into a series of city-state leagues which are commonly called the Dvaravati. Theses are the forerunners of the Mon people, whose culture in this timeline (and in ours) is heavily influenced by Khmer and Indian culture.

That's a very good point, and I can definitely see it.

As for the Caucusus, I promise I'll slip it into the next update on Asiana.

Just thought of something that might be worth its own update... what writing systems have become popular TTL?

I've touched on this a little bit, but it was a while ago now. The Eftal language ITTL is written in the Sogdian script, which looks rather like this. For a while, the western Eftal used a left-right abjad, but it fell out of fashion around in the late Aghatsaghid era in favor of the Sogdian script. The literati of Persia generally use the Sogdian script as well.

Sogdian_text_Manichaean_letter.jpg


This is what it looks like. Thanks wikipedia!

Pre-islamic Persian writing, to my knowledge, was done in something called the Pahlavi script. It is still used in some places and has had a long history, but mostly is dying out, especially since the Kurds will likely stick with the Sogdian script, which is also used among the Khirichan.

Perhaps the Slavs will IOTL adapt a system of writing that more closely resembled the Sogdian script - I don't know. I assume that the Norse of Gardaveldi by and large still use a runic alphabet.

Your speculation about the Indian Ocean is largely accurate. Gandhara uses the Kharosthi script, which has undergone a revival of sorts. The Sindhi have a prakit language called Vrachada, which apparently has several different written forms. I don't want to speculate idly on which one predominates in this history without doing much more research.

The Uighur have their own written language, however you're right that they'll probably Sinicize or perish.

If you know a lot about languages and writing styles, I'd welcome your input regarding new scripts and whatnot, it's not my area of expertise and a guest post regarding writing and language among the Slavs and the Savahila has potential to be a very cool addition to this work. Alternatively, if it's something a lot of people are interested in I'll definitely get to work to figure out plausible answers.
 
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I enjoyed the Red Standard idea. I don`t see them to have a very long future, though, or else they`ll assume power somewhere and turn into a "regular" dynasty. But China is always good for a surprise.
Wow, this is a huge Kurd-wank!:)
Alt-scripts are hard work, but cool.
 
Who exactly where the White Huns? Where they an offshoot of the Huns who attacked the late Roman Empire?
 
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Who exactly where the White Huns? Where they an offshoot of the Huns who attacked the late Roman Empire?

They were certainly associated with the Huns who attacked the Roman Empire in contemporary histories. However, Procopius writes:

"Although the Hephthalites are a Hunnish people and are so called, they do not mix and associate with those Huns whom we know, for they do not share any frontier region with them and do not live close to them. . . They are not nomadic like the other Hunnish peoples, but have long since settled on fertile land. . . They alone of the Huns are white-skinned and are not ugly. They do not have the same way of life and do not live such bestial lives as the other Huns, but are ruled by one king and possess a legal state structure, observing justice among themselves and with their neighbours in no lesser measure than the Byzantines and Persians."

I've always leaned more towards the theories they came from the Tarim basin and were descendants of a people the Chinese called the Kangju (who may themselves have been the Sogdians) or perhaps an offshoot of the Kushan/Yuezhi. Ultimately, they began exploiting the weakening of the Kidara and assumed control over most of the Kidara territories in what is perhaps better described as a "palace coup" than an invasion.

Most historians who were their contemporaries claim to have no idea of the Hepthalite origins, so we can only do our best to piece together where they might have come from and what they might have been like based on their contemporary neighbors about whom more is written.

In this timeline, you will see them mostly called Eftal, which was the Middle Persian name for them, and the name by which they (and a large number of associated tribal groups, even many Turkic tribes who were part of the Gaoche confederation) are known in this timeline.
 
Congratulations, Practical Lobster, for a well-deserved Turtledove!

Thank you! And thank you to everyone who voted for this timeline. I never expected to actually win a forum-wide contest with such a niche topic.

(and congratulations as well to Soverihn, for an incredibly strong second-place showing with his Renovation timeline)
 
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