Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.

Horse meat, years ago when I was a working stiff who got to play with planes every day, the airline I worked for had a contract to handle a second tier Canadian airline. They only flew 767’s into London, and the forward hold was frequently filled with 4 pallets of frozen horse meat, destined for a tarmac transfer to our Paris flight. And I will say that it was along with frogs from Africa, the only food item that no one was tempted to sample, or take home. 😎

RR.
All the horse meat in our local supermarkets in France come from Canada, and very nice too. Thank you far off exotic Canadia.
 
6 subs.
4 Dutch
2RN
???USN

How many US subs, and why aren't they in the total of 6?
Could be basing off who hit, the US subs are effectively a none enity since their bloody torpedoes don’t work.

When this gets back to Adm King ITTL and both British and Dutch are asking whats wrong with his bloody subs he is probably going to hit the roof and probably the Bureau of Ordnance.
 
Horse meat is still very political in some anglophone countries, to the extent that companies in the business of processing the meat will have campaigns organised against them.
 
Horse meat is still very political in some anglophone countries, to the extent that companies in the business of processing the meat will have campaigns organised against them.
A few years ago Tesco Lasagne was pulled from the shelves because the alleged minced beef turned out to be minced horse. It was a huge scandal.
 
The four Dutch boats claimed five ships sunk between them, the two T Class RN submarines claimed another three, and damage to another two. The USN submarines reported two ships sunk, but again problems with torpedoes.

These were the claims, but how many japanese ships were actually sunk and damaged ?
 
Victor Victoria - APC masquerading as tank
Surely it would be an APC masquerading as a tank masquerading as an APC? (Or maybe vice versa?).

30 January 1942. Balikpapan, Borneo.

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The loss of much of the Sakaguchi Detachment in that failure had meant that to regain the initiative and take Balikpapan, the Ito Detachment was off the coast of Borneo ready to try again. Along with the close escort of one Cruiser, fifteen destroyers, a variety of patrol boats and sub-chasers, protecting the eleven transports, the Distant Cover Force had sailed south from the Celebes Sea into the Makassar Strait, much closer to the invasion fleet than they had been previously.

With the increased air reconnaissance being done by the Dutch and Australians, the Japanese fleet had been spotted and tailed while the Dutch, British and Americans scrambled to get as many submarines into position to attrit the Japanese navy as possible.

In the event six submarines managed to get into shooting positions before the invasion took place. The four Dutch boats claimed five ships sunk between them, the two T Class RN submarines claimed another three, and damage to another two. The USN submarines reported two ships sunk, but again problems with torpedoes. The USAAF put together a B17 strike but was unable to claim any hits on the ships, two bombers were lost to Japanese naval fighters from the carriers. Attempts by the Dutch Naval Aviation, Air Force and the RAAF to interfere was slightly more successful, a few ships were damaged, but at a high cost to the attacking crews and aircraft.
Ouch - with 10+ losses out of 11 transports, then either
- half the attacking force didn't make it to the landing, or
- the IJN has just lost half-a-dozen scarce destroyers, or
- the sub skippers were either overclaiming or wasting a lot of torpedoes on low-value patrol boats

Either way, the IJN is getting a lesson in the power of Allied submarines against their supply lines - and the Allies are getting a lesson in Japanese airpower and the need to at least contest the air over any place they plan to fight.
 
Still doesn't change the fact they are basically still shooting duds at the ships.

Heck the RN may with all the failures ask one of the US boats for their Torpes and tear them to pieces to see what is wrong with them.

Then pass the report to the good Admiral which will probably make him blow a fuse.
 
Still doesn't change the fact they are basically still shooting duds at the ships.

Heck the RN may with all the failures ask one of the US boats for their Torpes and tear them to pieces to see what is wrong with them.

Then pass the report to the good Admiral which will probably make him blow a fuse.
The Problem with that, is that he will make sure that the Torps are never replaced, just to spite the British. We all know what he's like.
 
In the event six submarines managed to get into shooting positions before the invasion took place. The four Dutch boats claimed five ships sunk between them, the two T Class RN submarines claimed another three, and damage to another two. The USN submarines reported two ships sunk, but again problems with torpedoes. The USAAF put together a B17 strike but was unable to claim any hits on the ships, two bombers were lost to Japanese naval fighters from the carriers. Attempts by the Dutch Naval Aviation, Air Force and the RAAF to interfere was slightly more successful, a few ships were damaged, but at a high cost to the attacking crews and aircraft.

6 subs.
4 Dutch
2RN
???USN

How many US subs, and why aren't they in the total of 6?
My reading of this is that six subs were in position to start sinking boats as the Japanese came in, with an unknown number joining later. If the British and Dutch ships are two and four respectively, then that could in all probability indicate that those were the six ships in position from the start of the battle, meaning that American officers and bureaucrats are likely to insist that the reason their boys did poorly was that they were out of position, probably because perfidious Albion did not give cousin Jeb the correct intelligence in a timely manner.
 
Mind you, with British and Dutch boats in the area, the American captains' reports of faulty torpedoes might be able to bypass to BuOrd altogether, going up the British command chain, to be talked about at high-command levels.

It'll be interesting to see what the Japanese losses actually were.
 
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Yeah, King can bluster about 'those damn Brits' all he likes, but if they're just passing on reports from American captains...

Of course, there's nothing saying that will happen, but if it does...
 
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Yeah, King can bluster about 'those damn Brits' all he likes, but if they're just passing on reports from American captains...

Of course, there's nothing saying that will happen, but if it does...
The words political shit storm springs to mind if they pass it onto the captains and if one of them passes it to the press
 
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