Don't You Know That Cotton's King!: Redux TL
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General Lee headed a committee made up of eight other military offers, four Army and four Naval. From the Army there was also General Lee, Jr who had been released from Allied detention on February 28, full General Simon Bolivar Buckner, Lieutenant General Adrian Worthy, and Colonel Richard Hawkins and from the Navy their was Admiral John Taylor Wood, Vice Admiral August Monroe who was released along with Lee, Rear Admiral John MacAfferty, and Captain Gabriel Semmes. On March 5 the Confederate Committee traveled to Baltimore, Maryland to meet with delegates from the countries of the Five-Nation Alliance.
The US was looking to get payback from the Great War however, Britain wouldn't allow Washington to permanently weaken the Confederacy leaving Canada vulnerable. The Committee agreed to the Allies original demands and relinquished all claims to the island of Cuba which was placed under British administration, except for Santiago and the area surrounding the bay which the US leased for 100 years, for a period of five years to prepare it for independence. Things had changed however since the Alliance was first formed and the Allies weren't settling on just Cuba. On March 12, 1898 the Treaties of Baltimore were signed and the Negro Rebellion came to an end.
Terms of the treaty would be:
-relinquish claims to the island of Cuba
-cede the island of Puerto Rico to the US
-demilitarize the Mississippi River, the state of Kentucky and Virginia north of the Rappahannock, which had been remilitarized in 1889, permanently
cede the Eastern Shore of Virginia, including its string of fortifications, to the US
-cede the Marshall Islands to France
-cede the Northern Marianas Islands, all but Guam, to the US
-cede the Caroline Islands to Germany
-pay 750,000 to Italy
-agree to abolish slavery within all of its borders within two years
Thanks to Britain's good graces the Confederacy was allow to keep a resemblance of an “empire” keeping Confederate Virgin Islands of Culebra and Vieques, Isla de la Juventud, and Guam as overseas territories. Agreeing to abolish slavery caused an uproar throughout the country and three Committee members, General Worthy, Colonel Hawkins and Admiral MacAfferty refused to sign the treaty and stormed out of the conference. A rift had appeared in the Confederacy over the treaty and was rapidly increasing. On March 15 as ex-President Forrest was being moved to Libby Prison his company of guards were attacked by other Confederate forces who killed nearly all of them and “liberated” Forrest. Over the next week several forts and a few warships would take down the blood stained banner and replace it with the Confederate battle flag and reports of mutiny and violence with Confederate servicemen exploded across the country
Negro Rebellion Infobox
General Lee headed a committee made up of eight other military offers, four Army and four Naval. From the Army there was also General Lee, Jr who had been released from Allied detention on February 28, full General Simon Bolivar Buckner, Lieutenant General Adrian Worthy, and Colonel Richard Hawkins and from the Navy their was Admiral John Taylor Wood, Vice Admiral August Monroe who was released along with Lee, Rear Admiral John MacAfferty, and Captain Gabriel Semmes. On March 5 the Confederate Committee traveled to Baltimore, Maryland to meet with delegates from the countries of the Five-Nation Alliance.
The US was looking to get payback from the Great War however, Britain wouldn't allow Washington to permanently weaken the Confederacy leaving Canada vulnerable. The Committee agreed to the Allies original demands and relinquished all claims to the island of Cuba which was placed under British administration, except for Santiago and the area surrounding the bay which the US leased for 100 years, for a period of five years to prepare it for independence. Things had changed however since the Alliance was first formed and the Allies weren't settling on just Cuba. On March 12, 1898 the Treaties of Baltimore were signed and the Negro Rebellion came to an end.
Terms of the treaty would be:
-relinquish claims to the island of Cuba
-cede the island of Puerto Rico to the US
-demilitarize the Mississippi River, the state of Kentucky and Virginia north of the Rappahannock, which had been remilitarized in 1889, permanently
cede the Eastern Shore of Virginia, including its string of fortifications, to the US
-cede the Marshall Islands to France
-cede the Northern Marianas Islands, all but Guam, to the US
-cede the Caroline Islands to Germany
-pay 750,000 to Italy
-agree to abolish slavery within all of its borders within two years
Thanks to Britain's good graces the Confederacy was allow to keep a resemblance of an “empire” keeping Confederate Virgin Islands of Culebra and Vieques, Isla de la Juventud, and Guam as overseas territories. Agreeing to abolish slavery caused an uproar throughout the country and three Committee members, General Worthy, Colonel Hawkins and Admiral MacAfferty refused to sign the treaty and stormed out of the conference. A rift had appeared in the Confederacy over the treaty and was rapidly increasing. On March 15 as ex-President Forrest was being moved to Libby Prison his company of guards were attacked by other Confederate forces who killed nearly all of them and “liberated” Forrest. Over the next week several forts and a few warships would take down the blood stained banner and replace it with the Confederate battle flag and reports of mutiny and violence with Confederate servicemen exploded across the country
Negro Rebellion Infobox
Admiral Halsey
Banned
Yeah at this point I seriously doubt the US would care what Britain wants in regards to now wanting to weaken the CSA. No they'd tell the British to either back off or fight them.
What we have here is Failure to Communicate
The Confederate Civil War did not begin with a bang as had the Great War but more of a whisper. The “liberation” of President Forrest saw the first bloodshed but in the month that followed very little violence militarily occurred. Unlike in 1861 states weren't seceding but more declaring their allegiance to President Forrest as the true head of government who had embedded himself and his separatist government in Columbia,South Carolina. Confederate citizens were choosing which sides they supported Richmond and the Committee or Columbia and Forrest.
South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi were almost totally separatists while Virginia, North Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, Florida, Arizona, and the territories were mostly loyalists with the remaining states being mostly split on the ordeal. Within the military most of the Navy leaned more towards Richmond with only a few managing to come under separatist control. As for the Army it was looking to be split at least slightly in the separatists favor. Unlike the US had during the Confederacy's secession the Committee ordered that all officers attempting to leave to be immediately arrested and jailed in attempt to keep the separatists from gaining as many experienced officers that they could. Militias and volunteers were being called up to bolster their forces and skirmishes were becoming larger and more frequent. On April 25,1898 the first major battle of the civil war occurred when 13,500 Separatist forces assaulted the Loyalist controlled Fort DeRussy and its 7,500 occupants.
For the first battle of the war the Separatist Army was commanded by now Brigadier General Hawkins with Colonel Jeb Stuart Jr. commanded the fort. At dawn the Battle of Fort DeRussy began with Separatist artillery opening up. Most of the men from both sides were militias and new recruits and hadn't fought in the Hispanio-Confederate War nor the Negro Rebellion. This meant that the tactics from earlier conflicts were still used. Skirmish lines moved forward using modern rifles causing massive casualties. Loyalist forces were well entrenched however and would use this to their advantage letting their machine guns and light artillery mow down the Separatists. After six hours of fighting the Battle of Fort DeRussy came to an end and the Separatists withdrew.
The first battle of the Confederate Civil War had ended in victory for the Loyalists. That wasn't the case everywhere however. The Army of Carolina would invade North Carolina with 41,000 men under General Worthy on April 28 relieving Separatist forces besieged at Fort Caswell and capturing Wilmington in the process. Fort Fischer however remained defiant and despite numerous Separatist assaults stayed in Loyalist hands. Jacksonville and St. Augustine in Florida both would fend off Separatist attacks however in the panhandle Tallahassee and Pensacola would fall on May 3 and 9 to the Separatists. Finally Chattanooga fell to the 35,000 strong Separatist Army of Alabama on May 15 after a bloody three day battle.
Warfront in first weeks of Confederate Civil War
The Confederate Civil War did not begin with a bang as had the Great War but more of a whisper. The “liberation” of President Forrest saw the first bloodshed but in the month that followed very little violence militarily occurred. Unlike in 1861 states weren't seceding but more declaring their allegiance to President Forrest as the true head of government who had embedded himself and his separatist government in Columbia,South Carolina. Confederate citizens were choosing which sides they supported Richmond and the Committee or Columbia and Forrest.
South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi were almost totally separatists while Virginia, North Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, Florida, Arizona, and the territories were mostly loyalists with the remaining states being mostly split on the ordeal. Within the military most of the Navy leaned more towards Richmond with only a few managing to come under separatist control. As for the Army it was looking to be split at least slightly in the separatists favor. Unlike the US had during the Confederacy's secession the Committee ordered that all officers attempting to leave to be immediately arrested and jailed in attempt to keep the separatists from gaining as many experienced officers that they could. Militias and volunteers were being called up to bolster their forces and skirmishes were becoming larger and more frequent. On April 25,1898 the first major battle of the civil war occurred when 13,500 Separatist forces assaulted the Loyalist controlled Fort DeRussy and its 7,500 occupants.
For the first battle of the war the Separatist Army was commanded by now Brigadier General Hawkins with Colonel Jeb Stuart Jr. commanded the fort. At dawn the Battle of Fort DeRussy began with Separatist artillery opening up. Most of the men from both sides were militias and new recruits and hadn't fought in the Hispanio-Confederate War nor the Negro Rebellion. This meant that the tactics from earlier conflicts were still used. Skirmish lines moved forward using modern rifles causing massive casualties. Loyalist forces were well entrenched however and would use this to their advantage letting their machine guns and light artillery mow down the Separatists. After six hours of fighting the Battle of Fort DeRussy came to an end and the Separatists withdrew.
The first battle of the Confederate Civil War had ended in victory for the Loyalists. That wasn't the case everywhere however. The Army of Carolina would invade North Carolina with 41,000 men under General Worthy on April 28 relieving Separatist forces besieged at Fort Caswell and capturing Wilmington in the process. Fort Fischer however remained defiant and despite numerous Separatist assaults stayed in Loyalist hands. Jacksonville and St. Augustine in Florida both would fend off Separatist attacks however in the panhandle Tallahassee and Pensacola would fall on May 3 and 9 to the Separatists. Finally Chattanooga fell to the 35,000 strong Separatist Army of Alabama on May 15 after a bloody three day battle.
Warfront in first weeks of Confederate Civil War
SCW, sorry. Still getting used to my new phone and its dumb autocorrect. Spanish Civil War.
Donald Reaver
Donor
Just caught up on this timeline, very interesting. I would have to say though that Britain with Canada at stake and despising slavery would be most anxious to come to some kind of accommodation with the U.S. In the years since the Great War, ever increasing disgust against the Confederate States slavery should be a common part of cultural norm, with fiction, plays and newspaper articles. You have moved to a degree with the Five Nation Alliance against the Confederate States, but I believe you are over emphasizing real-politic compared to what the British public while demand of their government.
I would say more likely the British government would say to the Americans do what you need to do, they will have no support from us in any way.
I would say more likely the British government would say to the Americans do what you need to do, they will have no support from us in any way.