Chiang Kai-Shek goes to Germany: An Axis China Timeline

Great war start in 1938, doubtfull it is over Czechoslovakia, event between China and Japan? Sino-Japanese war might have more attention in europe and north america TTL.

The question is, wíll Germany (then, Italy) declare war to Japan? I would rather think yes, even if the Germans can´t send much assistance yet. They probably could send subs, supllied en route by ships then are sent to the Chinese-controled coast past Japanese blockade. Then, there may be some long-range warships hunting Japanese merchant ships in the Pacific. More work is done TTL in torpedo technology and anti-shipping bombing technics, primarily to assist the Chinese war effort against Japanese naval superiority.
That in turn could also mean German submarine force is in better shape when war with the rest of the allies starts.
Are there going to be German volunteers fighting on Chinese side and perhapse even an "advisor" Prussian general commanding armies on the field? Then, US and UK medias describing the Japanese as the valiant defenders of Freedoom in asia. :D
 
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Great war start in 1938, doubtfull it is over Czechoslovakia, event between China and Japan? Sino-Japanese war might have more attention in europe and north america TTL.

The question is, wíll Germany (then, Italy) declare war to Japan? I would rather think yes, even if the Germans can´t send much assistance yet. They probably could send subs, supllied en route by ships then are sent to the Chinese-controled coast past Japanese blockade. Then, there may be some long-range warships hunting Japanese merchant ships in the Pacific. More work is done TTL in torpedo technology and anti-shipping bombing technics, primarily to assist the Chinese war effort against Japanese naval superiority.
That in turn could also mean German submarine force is in better shape when war with the rest of the allies starts.
Are there going to be German volunteers fighting on Chinese side and perhapse even an "advisor" Prussian general commanding armies on the field? Then, US and UK medias describing the Japanese as the valiant defenders of Freedoom in asia. :D

You beat me with that ideas( i think too both about the Munich Crisis and the Marco polo one..), in general that was my thought when i saw the date of the war and all.

But how now the War will be unfold in Europe... if the USA broker(obvilous in a very anglophile fashion) an armistice, maybe France fall as historical... and maybe even barbarossa was a sucess here:eek:

In general the spanish civil war have only loser.. Spain and the spanish in general... here those one will be more sectarizade and more poor than ever:)D, ah the irony), interesting how all will unfold... this update make us with the waiting of ... MOAR

In general great update, Excellent as always.

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1936 - Year of the Olympics
Shadow Knight - Thanks :)

brokenman - Thanks as well

Geekhis Khan - Haha - You need to update your TL GK :p

Fenrir_Angerboda - It is back!

Wyragen-TXRG4P - We shall see :cool: I think the NRA is well-trained enough to take to the field without the aid of "Advisor" generals - although old Falky is still in China of course. And you are assuming of course that Germany does declare war and it is a global struggle

Nivek - Yep - the only losers of the civil war is where it happens. The Chinese, French, Italians, Germans, British and Soviets all get a chance to practice all their fancy new equipment.

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Anyway - I need to backtrack on the promised update - I've realized I haven't actually talked about the year 1936 and 1937 at all :p

So without further ado:


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The massive Olympic stadium in Berlin

1936 - Year of the Olympics

The 1936 Berlin Olympics would be one of the most politicized affairs in Olympic History. It was essentially set up to be a 'puff piece' to showcase the vigours of the New Germany that the National Socialists were creating. It began with much fanfare and triumph as representatives from all over the world (with the exception of Spain and the USSR) sent delegations to compete in a highly prestigeous event.

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Jesse Owens looking mildly sad that he didn't get the Gold Medal.

... An example of the degree of controversy which would murk the Olympics was the cirucmstances surrounding the victory of Poh Kimseng who's amazing victory in the 100M finals over Jesse Owens would lead him to be dubbed "The Flying Horse." Poh and Jesse finished the race at seemingly the same time - however the committee decided to award the gold medal to Poh. Some claim to this day that Hitler personally browbeat the committee into giving Poh the medal. Nontheless the Chinese olympic contingent did very well in the games - sweeping the Shooting events (3 gold medals) - the fact that the Olympic Shooting contingent consisted of NRA or ex-NRA men did not escape the notice or attention of the World's press. The Chinese contingent also took the Freestyle Bantamweight Gold medal. All in all the Chinese contingent came away with 6 Gold medals, 5 silver medals and 9 bronze medals placing a respectable 8th in the total table. This was not a bad performance considering that the 1932 Olympic team did not even manage to win a single bronze medal.

...It was perhaps a symptom of the sexism of the times that Li Sen's uncontroversial and resounding victory in the Women's 100 Meters was almost completely ignored in favour of Poh's contested 'triumph'....

China's victory was all the more important in that they managed to 'beat' Japan's total of 6 Gold, 4 Silver and 8 Bronze - a fact that Chinese media screamed for a few months - worsening already fragile Sino-Japanese relations. In fact, Dutch-Kiwi historian Van Veen has launched what is known as the "Olympic Thesis" and stated that the Second Great War was the result of Chinese hubris leading to the Second Sino-Japanese War which would flare up into the general conflagration that was the Second Great War. But that was neither here nor there. Apart from a few minor incidents and the storm of controversy surrounding Poh's "victory." The Berlin Olympics was a huge propaganda coup for National Socialist German.

Little would they know the storm clouds that were looming over the horizon in 1937...

Next update: 1937 -
 
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Since the 1938 update is called for want of a shoelace I'm hoping this alt-WWII is caused by an aglet. :p

And for a Football Game.. because kids.. Sport is a Serious Business:D;)

And another good and very close update(finnaly you revived this timeline... that make me.. happy,:cool:;)) and in general was pretty good using the Olympics as a calm before strom event... because the strom is pretty close, and IOTL, i think except some skirmish in Asia, in 1937 was a calmful year.. whic butterfly gonna jump here.

Pretty excellent Olympics for China. several Gold Medal(and the Atletics one) and beat the japanese in the general position, and that Dutch-kiwi(maybe an author avatar,;)) maybe have some of reason.. again the Japanese are a bull and that is a very big Red cape in front of them... but that means that the Sino-japanese war is the spark for the Zwei Weltkrieg?.

Excelent update as always CCA

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Adam - Yup pretty much :)

LeoXiao - Thank you for your feedback

Vince - hahha yeah. More like "for lack of a gold medal :p"

Nivek - Thanks heaps as alwats Nivek.Your comments are valued. Is it a spark or a prelude though - Find out in the next episode of CKSGTGAAXT

1937 - Fuel to the Fire.

The Olympic torch of the previous year had lit the fuse of Asian Nationalism. Japan and China, both participants at the last olympics frantically competed with each other in the events. Nationalist demonstrations on both sides competed with each other in the size, scale and fanaticism of their slogans and banners.

"China is win. Japan is fail"
- Badly translated Chinese slogan

"All Japan is Superior to all China"
- Badly translated Japanese slogan.

China's narrow 'victory' over Japan in the medal 'race' caused marked reactions in both China and Japan. In China there were wide demonstrations across all of China. Chiang's government declared that there would be a "week of holidays to commemorate China's victory" - his wife's propaganda machine organized demonstrations all over China in a burst of Chinese nationalism. In Japan, the militarists used this result to inflame public opinion and to push the Japanese government inexorably towards war to punish the 'Prideful' Chinese.

The reaction was...interesting in Manchuria. Denied participation in the Olympics - Manchuria instead sent a delegation to the People's Olympiad which was cancelled due to the Civil War. The people's loyalties were torn between cheering for China and being afraid to do so because of their awakening Manchu nationalism... Perhaps more concerning to the Zhang dynasty was the increasingly loud calls for "reunification now."

Smale scale clashes began in the Manchu-Chinese border. Previously peaceful border regions begin seeing smale scale skirmishing which gave way to minor-battles. It seems to only be a matter of time "When" war would break out and not "if." It was during this time that the Zhang made a fateful decision to ask Japan to 'reinforce' Manchuria's status as an independent nation. Japanese troops began to arive by the trainloads to reinforce Manchuria's defences.

The discovery of oil in what is now known as the "Daqing Oilfields" put fuel to the fire of Chinese and Manchurian tensions. On April 1 1937, two months after the discovery of the oil foreign Minister Wang Jingwei released an ultimatum to the "Bandit Warlord Zhang Zoulin" which he demanded the "surrender" and "end of the occupation of legitemate Chinese territory" under threat of war. He would give one month for the Manchurian Empire to reply.

There was no reply. On May 1 1937 the guns of war roared into life as pre-dawn bombardment began the Second Reunification War. They would not fall silent again for another 8 years.

Next update: 1937 Continued - The Offensives
 
And it begins.... awesome update. The rest of the world's reaction to Imperial Japan vs Fascist China will be interesting to see too. Japan stands a good chance at forcing China to capitulate with the power of their blockade and air power, if the West doesn't end up embargoing them.

Regardless, it seems like it's going to be a Great War style fight for awhile too. As much modernizing as they've done, I don't think China can field a fully modern army yet, though I suppose this war will make evident the weakness on both sides armies.
 
And the gloves are off... So who's on who's side? Germany will most likely get on China's side, Braitan and France will have the ear of Japan, America may give China the disapproving frown because it struck first and I'm terribly unsure about the Soviets.

Just to ask. Is the Anglo-Japan treaty still in effect or has it been scrapped in 1923 as IOTL?

"China is win. Japan is fail"
- Badly translated Chinese slogan

"All Japan is Superior to all China"
- Badly translated Japanese slogan.

Dude, have you been visiting 4chan prior to doing this update? It sure as hell look like you did. May as well say "All China/Japan are belong to us"
 
1937 - The Offensives of False Hope
1937 - The Offensives of False Hope

"We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotting structure will come tumbling down"
President Chiang Kai-Shek

The outbreak of war was an interesting experience for China - because technically speaking they were not 'in a state of War.' The Chiang government had never accepted Manchurian independence - only doing so at gunpoint. Now that China was strong - she was continuing the Northern Expedition. This meant that the Manchurian government was not legally treated as existing - any captured prisoners of war would be treated as 'liberated' Chinese citizens.

When the conflict broke out on May 1 1937 there was a false sense of optimism among the ranks of the Kuomintang that the war would be quick, short and decisive - war planning had only been taken up to Christmas. The whole nation believed - and was encouraged to believe that Manchuria was in a state of unreadiness - and even Civil War. Before the Third Northern Expedition Started Emperor Zhang Zhoulin and his Prime Minister played elaborate games of disunity with Yan Xishan apparently accepting the terms before being 'sacked' by the Emperor. This - along with events such as the staged desertion of entire companies lulled the Chinese leadership into a false sense of security. Although the Bureau of Information and Statistics encouraged caution - this was mostly ignored in the face of evidence that seemed to support their ideological mindset. China would receive some very painful lessons in the early days of the conflict...

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Lieutenant Fong Chen-Yieuh huddled in position his eyes lit with excitement. The time had come to unify China and he was to be part of it! He nearly shook with excitement as he clutched his machine pistol. He looked around him and saw that the men around him were all excited too.

Fong thought he was too mature for this sort of thing. Too grown up, he had been bloodied - by the Xinhai Revolution, The First and Second Northern Expedition and he had recently come back from the stalemate of the Spanish Civil War. He has seen men brutally maimed and killed in horrific ways and women and children too... he thought uneasily of Madrid.

But Madrid was 2000 miles away and Fong was here now. He was a rare breed - a career soldier who had fought with the Kuomintang since 1911. He was no spring chicken anymore but he was the right sort of age to be commanding a section of men. He rose through the ranks through sheer bravery - as well as by virtue of survival.

Artillery fire broke the eerie silence of the night as Chinese guns marked the start of the Third Northern Expedition. All was going to plan... Fong checked his watch. 15 minutes of this and then we go...

15 minutes passed. Flares shot up and lit the night sky. Fong blew his whistle and leaped over the parapet. "Advance for China!" he screamed.

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Type 1 Tanks formed a core component of the May Offensives...

Ahead of Fong Type 1 tanks clattered into action, their mechanical dim adding to the clatter of the night. There were no enemies around... Fong pondered susipciously... This was too easy - it had to be a trap somewhere...

Fong was right. All around him planted explosives ripped up the ground - it was almost biblically with hellfire and brimstone opening up cracks on the ground and destroying the vanguard of the Nationalist advance...Miraculously Fong was unhurt. He was beginning to compose himself from the shock wheh shells started exploding all around him... Fong was unhurt no more.

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"The opening salvo of the Third Northern Expedition resulted in failure for the Nationalists... at this point it should have been clear that they had encountered an enemy far more willing and able to fight than original. But they would have none of it. The rest of May would be spent on futile offensives against the Yan Xishan wall with blood, bones and bullets proving unable to scratch the hard, reinforced masonry of the walls... Gradually it was realized that a new strategy was needed...But this was not after the whittling down of the elite "Shock Route Armies" in pointless and futile offensives...The death toll has been put down to tens of thousands of China's most elite fighting men squandered in the opening days of a bloody and destructive conflict...The tank and the aeroplane which had promised to end the stalemates of The Great War only seemed to add more ways to die...By the end of July it was clear that there would be stalemate...Chiang and his War Council would deliberate and form a new strategy against what was now proven to be a very determined and able foe..."

- History of the Second Great War
David Lio

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"...Our work was quite a tedious affair. We would load up the mortar, adjust the position slightly, fire and reload. It was at the same time a time consuming process...Each mine shell took about half an hour to reload and shoot...Occasionally there would be the odd airplane that flew overhead - we paid no attention to those and they paid no attention to us... Although our jobs were boring - we know that our work in scattering mines all over the North China Sea was important in denying access to the Japanese invaders..."

- Private Dinghy Yu, Special Mortar Unit
From: Voices from the Second Great War

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Pete McGill was bored in Manila. Inevitably he contrasted the high life in Shanghai and in China compared to the sleepy, stuffy conservatism in what was one of the most Roman Catholic countries in the world. There was literally nothing to do for an off-duty American Marine other than listen to the radio.

And so Pete did, albeit halfheartedly "...Fighting is reproted in the desets of Inner Mongolia...meanwhile there seems to have been a lul of fighting outside of Beiping in Hopei province...The Chinese Foreign Minister has said that the troops are 'completing preparations"

Pete snorted. The Chinks had been 'preparing' for about three months now. It probably meant that they just couldn't break past the Manchu's. Or more likely it was some goddam Japs. The Japs had been renting out armies to the Manchurians calling them "Volunteers." The Chinese Embassy had originally complained but when an angry mob burnt down the embassy - and the hapless diplomat to a crisp there was no-one and nothing to complain about anymore.

Yawning, Pete dazed steadily off into the hot muggy air of Manila while a hundred miles away from him people died....

PS: Yes I am taking Turtledove characters. I feel no regrets :p. Plus it's hard coming up with names....
 
Well, that's fine by me!:p

Interesting to see that despite all the tech/militarization advances completed ITTL, China got bogged down pretty fast. I have to wonder here how matched the IJA is.
 

tjvuse

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Great update on 1937 CCA:D

Will the Chinese get there chance for revenge against the Russian in this time line. As they are German Allys and will hopefuly follow the Germans lead in declaring war on the allys in 1939.

Cheers
 

Hendryk

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Plus it's hard coming up with names....
Talking about names, I spot a few typos, such as the spelling of Zhang Zuolin and the use of idiosyncratic transliterations. Best watch for those, they can be distracting.

Also, another detail, but Madrid is way further than 2,000 miles away from northeastern China :)
 
The discovery of oil in what is now known as the "Daqing Oilfields" put fuel to the fire of Chinese and Manchurian tensions.

Be really careful about this. The question has been thoroughly hashed out, and the consensus by people who know geology / petroleum history is that with the understandings of the day, that discovering Daqing at the time is pretty much ASB.
 
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