I'm surprised Italy was allowed to keep Eithiopia, since the English have probably long since liberated and there's not much Italy can do to get it back. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if this resulted in a third Italo-Ethiopian war.
Chiang Kai-Shek goes to Germany: An Axis China Timeline
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Perhaps it was Eritrea? But yes, I don't see the British giving up an enormous chunk of land in exchange for a small part of Greece. Looks bad to the public.
Italy also has Crete and various little islands - but fair point which will be explained in the post-war update.
Let's just say beware Greeks bearing gifts.
(Or in this case trading parts of Greece for gifts, but you know what I meant.)
San Francisco Conference and Asia
San Francisco Conference and Asia
Middle East:
The status quo antebellum was preserved, but the Soviets insisted on a non-reciprocal de-militarized zone in the Persia-Soviet border.
Afghanistan was awarded the Pashtun areas that she occupied.
Central Asia:
All of the Central Asian republics were returned to the USSR in return for Manchuria (along with some Soviet concessions and considerable autonomy for the Autonomous Region of Socialist Manchuria.) Despite the feeling of betrayal by the Republic of China, many decided to flee to China fearing retribution and purges by the NKVD for collaboration, suspected collaboration and/or consuming the same oxygen as Chinese troops within a 30 kilometer radius. The flood of central Asian refugees, combined with another wave of Jewish expulsions in the Reich would strain already streched Chinese food supplies to the limit and cause a famine - but that’s the next chapter.
India:
India was split along Uti possidetis lines with each India having possession over the territory they presently controlled.
Burma:
Burma was returned to the British Empire in exchange for Hainan. Before returning them, the clumsy troops of the National Revolutionary Army and the secret police of the Bureau of Statistics and Investigation accidentally and clumsily left behind millions of tons of ammunition along with plenty of guns and supplies (similarly to how British troops would also misplace supplies in about to be returned Libya and Ethiopia.)
Indochina :
The divided French government was in no position or mood to play hardball, simply being content to divide Indochina along present lines.
China:
Hainan was returned to China in exchange for Burma and Manchuria was returned in exchange for Chinese-held central Asia and a host of extraterritorial rights, agreements to share mineral wealth and a 50 year lease on Port Arthur for the Soviet Union.
OOC: Sorry for the barebones nature of the updates. I’m running out of creative juice, but be assured that the post-war content should see a return to form. They’re going to be the ones I alluded to earlier that focussed on the terms of various leaders which should hopefully give more detail and context to what’s going on.
Planned updates:
US President William Wallace: The Peacemaker who won the peace, but lost the election. (1944-48)
Fuhrer Adolf Hitler: Building Greater Germany (1945-54)
President Chiang Kai-Shek: The Decade of Rice and Salt (1945-55)
General Secretary Joseph Stalin: Socialism in Many Countries (1945-56)
Middle East:
The status quo antebellum was preserved, but the Soviets insisted on a non-reciprocal de-militarized zone in the Persia-Soviet border.
Afghanistan was awarded the Pashtun areas that she occupied.
Central Asia:
All of the Central Asian republics were returned to the USSR in return for Manchuria (along with some Soviet concessions and considerable autonomy for the Autonomous Region of Socialist Manchuria.) Despite the feeling of betrayal by the Republic of China, many decided to flee to China fearing retribution and purges by the NKVD for collaboration, suspected collaboration and/or consuming the same oxygen as Chinese troops within a 30 kilometer radius. The flood of central Asian refugees, combined with another wave of Jewish expulsions in the Reich would strain already streched Chinese food supplies to the limit and cause a famine - but that’s the next chapter.
India:
India was split along Uti possidetis lines with each India having possession over the territory they presently controlled.
Burma:
Burma was returned to the British Empire in exchange for Hainan. Before returning them, the clumsy troops of the National Revolutionary Army and the secret police of the Bureau of Statistics and Investigation accidentally and clumsily left behind millions of tons of ammunition along with plenty of guns and supplies (similarly to how British troops would also misplace supplies in about to be returned Libya and Ethiopia.)
Indochina :
The divided French government was in no position or mood to play hardball, simply being content to divide Indochina along present lines.
China:
Hainan was returned to China in exchange for Burma and Manchuria was returned in exchange for Chinese-held central Asia and a host of extraterritorial rights, agreements to share mineral wealth and a 50 year lease on Port Arthur for the Soviet Union.
OOC: Sorry for the barebones nature of the updates. I’m running out of creative juice, but be assured that the post-war content should see a return to form. They’re going to be the ones I alluded to earlier that focussed on the terms of various leaders which should hopefully give more detail and context to what’s going on.
Planned updates:
US President William Wallace: The Peacemaker who won the peace, but lost the election. (1944-48)
Fuhrer Adolf Hitler: Building Greater Germany (1945-54)
President Chiang Kai-Shek: The Decade of Rice and Salt (1945-55)
General Secretary Joseph Stalin: Socialism in Many Countries (1945-56)
Hee hee!
Did the Soviets get their demilitarized zone they wanted? In any case, at least they aren't completely encircled on their southern border. And the Wakhan corridor looks like it could be vulnerable in the future...
I look forward to many years of interesting times for all the East and West versions of countries in Europe and elsewhere.
"Such incompetence must be stamped out with extreme prejudice! We shall first drown them alive with the finest alcohol, then force-feed them with outrageous amounts of money, and then have them do hard labour on these beautiful women!"
Marc A
To be fair, it seems like the Norwegians were attacked by both sides here. I do wonder who is in charge there now, though.
@CCA perhaps China should keep that area they had claimed in Tajikistan? It might not look good to the Central Asians, but it would mean the border with Afghanistan was more solid. And did the thign about the borde rwith Iran mean only the Iranians couldn't put their military there?
President Henry Wallace: The Peacemaking Idealist
"The century which we are entering can be and must be the century of the common man."
Resolution to create the United Nations at the San Francisco Conference
The Triumph of San Francisco and the New World Order
After the peace negotiations concluded in San Francisco, President Wallace presented a proposal to the parties - a reconstituted “United Nations” where the Great Powers would meet and discuss events so that the world could go forward in peace, prosperity and freedom.
Incidentally, President Wallace also said that countries that were not part of this United Nations could not have access to American loans or purchase goods or services on credit. Faced with being locked out of critical supplies, all the countries joined.
President Wallace returned to the Washington in triumph as peace parades were held all over America. After the tragedy of the Second Great War where over 40-50 million people were killed and tens of million more displaced, many sincerely hoped that the ugliness and brutality of the conflict would offer a way forward and that humanity had learned its lessons and that all countries would now go forward together to create a more peaceful world.
He was speaking for the hopes and dreams of many around the world when he said that he wanted this new world would be the ‘century of the common man.’
A photo of Jewish refugees being taken to a Soviet "Transit Camp" - many would be worked to near death before being handed over to the Chinese once they'd exhausted their usefulness and transported in primitive conditions across the Transsiberian Rail line into Manchuria.
The Shoah
They would be mistaken. The post-war world would see another wave of senseless violence and brutality. From the Third Italian-Ethiopian War, to the Burmese Insurgency to the Vietnamese Civil War, the world would continue to see bloody conflict. But one of the greatest tragedies was the Shoah.
After German hegemony over Central and Northern Europe was confirmed, Hitler went to work. While the Jewish deportations to China had been halted by the severing of the Iron Line, now they could resume in earnest - this time Germany’s allies and friends would be expected to participate. The lack of a concrete victory also led to a search for scapegoats and the Jewish population was blamed.
To the eternal shame of most of the leaders of the German allies - all but Italy said no.
Nearly three million jews from all over the Reich’s territory were slated for deportation to China. As the Iron Line was already to capacity and being constructed - another way was found. Stalin agreed to transit them through the Soviet Union if he was allowed ‘first pick’ of the the Jewish population - planning to settle them near the Polish border where their loyalties would be unquestionable.
Ironically, it was the bulk of the non-Polish jewry that were settled in the Polish border - Stalin wanted to make these communities even more dependent on the state as much as possible. The Soviet Union would end up resettling 500,000 Jews - many of them the brightest and best who had been in skilled occupations in Poland.
A further 500,000 would make their way to China via either the Iron Line or by ship.
But the 2,000,000 that were transited through the Soviet Union suffered the most nightmarish fate. They would pass through the ‘gulag’ system en route to China, Stalin did not believe in wasting labour and they were put to work repairing infrastructure, in the mines or chopping lumber. By the time many arrived in China many would be sick, weakened and malnourished.
But so were the Chinese. The Yellow River floods of the past year, Japanese ‘locust bombs’ and the pressures of nearly a decade of war had stretched Chinese agriculture to breaking point. The mass slaughter of sparrows by Chinese peasants (despite warnings/admonitions not to kill them) had prevented starvation last year, but without sparrows to eat the locusts, the harvest had not recovered to pre-flooding levels.
Although China tried to bridge the gap with the import of food from South America, United States, New Zealand and the resumption of fishing - there was still not enough to feed the starving Chinese population, the new Jewish refugees, Central Asian refugees and the starving Bengal population. The “Great Asian Famine” of the late 40s would eventually kill 5 million Chinese, 2 million Indians, 1 million Central Asians and 1 million of the Jewish refugees.
When word got out, the US public opinion turned sharply against Germany, the Soviet Union and China. Although each country denied responsibility with China and Germany blaming the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union blaming both China and Germany.
The US Public weren’t interested in excuses and neither was President Wallace. The “Morgenthau Plan” was drafted as a response to contain the “Axis of Evil - Fascism and Russian Communism” with the American public seeing them both as equally evil.
The Morgenthau Plan
Passed at the start of 1947 These were a combination of sanctions towards China, Germany, the Soviet Union and Japan (Japan was added to the list of the “Axis of Evil” following the Seoul Massacre and aggressive lobbying by the China Lobby) and aid and assistance towards Britain and France.
The sanctions took the form of an embargo against the import or export of raw material and all finished products (except for foodstuffs and agricultural produce) against China, Germany, the Soviet Union and Japan.
Aid and Assistance towards Britain and France included low cost interest loans, reconstruction assistance and aid packages. Controversially, France was included in the program despite having a Communist (Trotskyist) Prime Minister in a coalition government leading to suspicion that Wallace was a communist sympathizer (he was.)
The Domestic Agenda:
Besides the Morgenthau Plan, Wallace continued to advance progressive legislation - proposing a “Second Bill of Rights” in his 1946 speech. This was shot down by an increasingly conservative congress - as were his efforts to advance a civil rights agenda.
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The 1948 election
Although economic historians argue to what extent the Morgenthau Plan contributed to the sharp recession of 1947 and the sluggish economic recovery throughout 1948, all agree that it had some impact.
The tank, truck and automobile factories of the Mid-west, the ship factories of California and the oil refineries of Texas all keenly felt the impact of the cut-off of trade towards the “Axis of Evil” and while France and Britain did make additional orders, they prioritized rebuilding their own industries using American low-cost loans.
But the plains and agricultural states remained largely immune from the sluggish recovery due to the high price of agriculture from the continuing Great Asian Famine.
With much of the “Solid South” voting for Thurmond, Wallace won many of the plains states but many traditional Democratic states such as Illinois and Pennsylvania defected to the Republicans - despite all the efforts of the big city bosses and how many dead returned to life.
The election of Dewey marks the phenomenon derisively called “Americanism” - this is the dissonance of the American people wanting strong action taken on human rights and peace, but being unwilling to actually continue once the strong action begins to hit the pocket books.
President Henry A Wallace - although deeply unpopular by the end of his reign had been reassessed by contemporary historians. He is noted as a conviction liberal, a forerunner of the civil rights struggle and a staunch, committed progressive and idealist who was unafraid to stand up for the human spirit.
Resolution to create the United Nations at the San Francisco Conference
The Triumph of San Francisco and the New World Order
After the peace negotiations concluded in San Francisco, President Wallace presented a proposal to the parties - a reconstituted “United Nations” where the Great Powers would meet and discuss events so that the world could go forward in peace, prosperity and freedom.
Incidentally, President Wallace also said that countries that were not part of this United Nations could not have access to American loans or purchase goods or services on credit. Faced with being locked out of critical supplies, all the countries joined.
President Wallace returned to the Washington in triumph as peace parades were held all over America. After the tragedy of the Second Great War where over 40-50 million people were killed and tens of million more displaced, many sincerely hoped that the ugliness and brutality of the conflict would offer a way forward and that humanity had learned its lessons and that all countries would now go forward together to create a more peaceful world.
He was speaking for the hopes and dreams of many around the world when he said that he wanted this new world would be the ‘century of the common man.’
A photo of Jewish refugees being taken to a Soviet "Transit Camp" - many would be worked to near death before being handed over to the Chinese once they'd exhausted their usefulness and transported in primitive conditions across the Transsiberian Rail line into Manchuria.
The Shoah
They would be mistaken. The post-war world would see another wave of senseless violence and brutality. From the Third Italian-Ethiopian War, to the Burmese Insurgency to the Vietnamese Civil War, the world would continue to see bloody conflict. But one of the greatest tragedies was the Shoah.
After German hegemony over Central and Northern Europe was confirmed, Hitler went to work. While the Jewish deportations to China had been halted by the severing of the Iron Line, now they could resume in earnest - this time Germany’s allies and friends would be expected to participate. The lack of a concrete victory also led to a search for scapegoats and the Jewish population was blamed.
To the eternal shame of most of the leaders of the German allies - all but Italy said no.
Nearly three million jews from all over the Reich’s territory were slated for deportation to China. As the Iron Line was already to capacity and being constructed - another way was found. Stalin agreed to transit them through the Soviet Union if he was allowed ‘first pick’ of the the Jewish population - planning to settle them near the Polish border where their loyalties would be unquestionable.
Ironically, it was the bulk of the non-Polish jewry that were settled in the Polish border - Stalin wanted to make these communities even more dependent on the state as much as possible. The Soviet Union would end up resettling 500,000 Jews - many of them the brightest and best who had been in skilled occupations in Poland.
A further 500,000 would make their way to China via either the Iron Line or by ship.
But the 2,000,000 that were transited through the Soviet Union suffered the most nightmarish fate. They would pass through the ‘gulag’ system en route to China, Stalin did not believe in wasting labour and they were put to work repairing infrastructure, in the mines or chopping lumber. By the time many arrived in China many would be sick, weakened and malnourished.
But so were the Chinese. The Yellow River floods of the past year, Japanese ‘locust bombs’ and the pressures of nearly a decade of war had stretched Chinese agriculture to breaking point. The mass slaughter of sparrows by Chinese peasants (despite warnings/admonitions not to kill them) had prevented starvation last year, but without sparrows to eat the locusts, the harvest had not recovered to pre-flooding levels.
Although China tried to bridge the gap with the import of food from South America, United States, New Zealand and the resumption of fishing - there was still not enough to feed the starving Chinese population, the new Jewish refugees, Central Asian refugees and the starving Bengal population. The “Great Asian Famine” of the late 40s would eventually kill 5 million Chinese, 2 million Indians, 1 million Central Asians and 1 million of the Jewish refugees.
When word got out, the US public opinion turned sharply against Germany, the Soviet Union and China. Although each country denied responsibility with China and Germany blaming the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union blaming both China and Germany.
The US Public weren’t interested in excuses and neither was President Wallace. The “Morgenthau Plan” was drafted as a response to contain the “Axis of Evil - Fascism and Russian Communism” with the American public seeing them both as equally evil.
The Morgenthau Plan
Passed at the start of 1947 These were a combination of sanctions towards China, Germany, the Soviet Union and Japan (Japan was added to the list of the “Axis of Evil” following the Seoul Massacre and aggressive lobbying by the China Lobby) and aid and assistance towards Britain and France.
The sanctions took the form of an embargo against the import or export of raw material and all finished products (except for foodstuffs and agricultural produce) against China, Germany, the Soviet Union and Japan.
Aid and Assistance towards Britain and France included low cost interest loans, reconstruction assistance and aid packages. Controversially, France was included in the program despite having a Communist (Trotskyist) Prime Minister in a coalition government leading to suspicion that Wallace was a communist sympathizer (he was.)
The Domestic Agenda:
Besides the Morgenthau Plan, Wallace continued to advance progressive legislation - proposing a “Second Bill of Rights” in his 1946 speech. This was shot down by an increasingly conservative congress - as were his efforts to advance a civil rights agenda.
The 1948 election
Although economic historians argue to what extent the Morgenthau Plan contributed to the sharp recession of 1947 and the sluggish economic recovery throughout 1948, all agree that it had some impact.
The tank, truck and automobile factories of the Mid-west, the ship factories of California and the oil refineries of Texas all keenly felt the impact of the cut-off of trade towards the “Axis of Evil” and while France and Britain did make additional orders, they prioritized rebuilding their own industries using American low-cost loans.
But the plains and agricultural states remained largely immune from the sluggish recovery due to the high price of agriculture from the continuing Great Asian Famine.
With much of the “Solid South” voting for Thurmond, Wallace won many of the plains states but many traditional Democratic states such as Illinois and Pennsylvania defected to the Republicans - despite all the efforts of the big city bosses and how many dead returned to life.
The election of Dewey marks the phenomenon derisively called “Americanism” - this is the dissonance of the American people wanting strong action taken on human rights and peace, but being unwilling to actually continue once the strong action begins to hit the pocket books.
President Henry A Wallace - although deeply unpopular by the end of his reign had been reassessed by contemporary historians. He is noted as a conviction liberal, a forerunner of the civil rights struggle and a staunch, committed progressive and idealist who was unafraid to stand up for the human spirit.
They don't blame China for the famine, but they do for Chinese complicity in the Shoah.
You have to remember that in our timeline, we know that they could've had it much, much worse.
In this timeline, some people theorize that Chinese openness/willingness to receive Jewish refugees for skilled labour actually drove Hitler to expel the Jews.
Wait, what? I could understand if it was misguided/petty voters, but this sounds like a stupid reason. That’s like saying that Angela Merkle is responsible for the Syrian civil war because she took in refugees from it (to be fair, there are some crazies who take this position OTL).
So were there any mass killings in the Shoah ITTL or was it just deportations?
There's been no deliberate mass killings ITTL Shoah. Of course, sometimes there might be an occasional labour or transit camp rebellion which is violently put down with artillery and air strikes with no quarter given to survivors after, but nothing holocaust tier.
This TL has actually so far been better than OTL (except if you're Polish - then you've seen your country turned into a bloodbath) but they don't know that so the Second Great War is seen as a huge catastrophe.