Chiang Kai-Shek goes to Germany: An Axis China Timeline

I think Germans consider a Commie France on their doorstep to be a a major threat. Expect WW3 to happen. even with all sides having nukes.

Even without nukes, France (even more than Soviet Union) can hurt Germans (and British and Italians) badly with bioweapons and chemical weapons...

Oh and Japan really needs to get boomerang effect from the cropkillers spread. They haven't got their comeuppance enough in my taste...
 
Even without nukes, France (even more than Soviet Union) can hurt Germans (and British and Italians) badly with bioweapons and chemical weapons...

Oh and Japan really needs to get boomerang effect from the cropkillers spread. They haven't got their comeuppance enough in my taste...

I think they will in the next war, the Chinese got napalm , nukes , chemicals and bio weaposn tipped on their missles with Japan as the main target, and if you thought that German and Soviet/French relations were bad, it has nothing compared to the Sino Japanese relations which is downright genocidal. esp for the Chinese who want to do some genocidal revenge on the Japanese. Once the Chinese manage to stabilize their situation expect third Sino Japanese war to happen.
 
Reassessing Churchill's "Guangzhou Gamble"
A bit of lore fluff as a bit of a break between the leader updates.

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Reassessing Churchill's "Guangzhou Gamble"

"...as the 50 year anniversary of Operation Unthinkable draws close this year, we will undoubtedly see the ritual flagellation and scorn poured upon Britain's most unpopular Prime Minister from a number of quarters. Prime Minister Blair and Reichsfuhrer Hitler will denounce Churchill as a fool who squandered white lives over god-forsaken Asia as a desperate way of cementing their reformist faction's nationalist credentials and to keep the hungry jackals at bay. President Xiaoping will predictably decry Churchill as a warmongering colonialist, as will French President Mitterand and General Secretary Gargarin. The antipodeans will also denounce the loss of Australian and New Zealand lives over another foolish adventure. Japanese Prime Minister Ozawa will froth at the mouth and accuse Churchill of being too soft and arguing that they should've used poison gas and biological weaponry. Hell, even American President Dukakis will probably join in the circlejerk to keep the Chinese sweet and trading. But they're all wrong...."

"The truth was, Operation Unthinkable was actually successful. Even though they didn't take over the Guangzhou province, the Entente successfully denied 40-60% of Chinese war-time industry. Knocked China out of the war and laid the groundwork for the Soviet advances in East Europe. People forget now, but the Axis very nearly lost the war between late 1942 and early 1943. Germany lost over a million men and a whole army in East Prussia because of Hitler's refusal to withdraw the 6th army from Konigsberg till it was too late..."

"... That's not to say that the Guangzhou Gamble wasn't ultimately a failure - the Union Jack flying alongside the Swastika in the European Volksunion Hall is stark evidence that it did, but the two events which led to the disintegration of Churchill's strategy was outside his control. There isn't anything he could've done about the Rape of Nanning, other than not involving Japanese troops at all, which would've created a gap of 1 million troops. Nor could Churchill have predicted that Chiang would turn out alive and well after all. The truth is Operation Unthinkable was a daring, strategic masterstroke which very nearly won the Entente the war..."

"... But as they say, the victors write the history and as China continues it's 10th consecutive year of over 10% GDP growth, I can see why no one is in a mood to reassess his legacy..."

- An article featured in Monthly Military History as part of the October Operation Unthinkable Commemorative Issue.
 
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As in OTL, the main purpose of studing WW2 seems to be to cherry-pick it for examples that support your personal political preferences.
 
Excellent fluff, CCA, haah, btw, so seems like in the 90s, in this timeline, with the Japanese PM sounding like a crazy wacko frothing at the mouth with anti Chinese rhetoric, the CHinese probably did some mucho payback on the Japanese in the next war. (not surprised if Chinese attacks on the Japanese mainland killed the Japanese emperor that would really piss off the Japaneese). Looks the Chinese , USSR and France are part of the socialist anti colonialist alliance. (with teh Chinese being more capitalist but anti colonialist in policy) and the USA still the neutral economic giant with close relations with China. On the other side, the Pro Colonialists, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan. who are suffering their own problems and trying to reform. I am looking forward to the new chapter haha.
 
Is there any non-ASB timelines where post-colonial Africa isn’t a mess? Genuine question.

There is Malê Rising in the pre-1900 section (Which is a TRULY excellent timeline BTW), but with a POD in the mid 1830's that results in a completely different type of colonialism in the first place, I'm not sure it counts.
 
How would colonialism be different?
Short version is that in many parts of the continent the Europeans end up taking an approach similar to the relationship Britain had OTL with the Princely States of India, rather than the OTL "smash down everything along arbitrary borders" approach. Consequently African society and trade routs aren't nearly as badly torn apart as in OTL, and the post-decolonization nations have less arbitrary borders.

Long version? Go read the awesome timeline yourself.
 
As in OTL, the main purpose of studing WW2 seems to be to cherry-pick it for examples that support your personal political preferences.

Wait till I start posting in character threads from the message board divergent histories dot com

This isn't a world I want to live in...

Hey if you discount the insane hyper nationalism, nuclear/bio weapons proliferation and all the low level bush conflicts going on this timeline could be a nicer place to live in
 
and the USA also has its own internal problems. Jim Crow segregation race relations. CCA, does the civil rights act and racial reforms happen in the USA in this timeline?
 
I am not surprised with all the hate ans scorn, the loss of India , Australia and NZ from the British empire(all of em probably went Republic), Churchill in this timeline probably died dejected, a recluse and in depression. Churchill probably died in the late 40s kinda like Chamberlain in OTL, died shortly after WW2 started.
 
and the USA also has its own internal problems. Jim Crow segregation race relations. CCA, does the civil rights act and racial reforms happen in the USA in this timeline?

Yes it does, but I'm trying to figure out whether it gets delayed by the fact that the USA is more neutral in this TL and doesn't have to compete with communism for moral superiority
 
Yes it does, but I'm trying to figure out whether it gets delayed by the fact that the USA is more neutral in this TL and doesn't have to compete with communism for moral superiority


Also with fascism still a part of the cold war and no Holocaust, racism isn't as discredited in this timeline
 
Yes it does, but I'm trying to figure out whether it gets delayed by the fact that the USA is more neutral in this TL and doesn't have to compete with communism for moral superiority

In OTL, the wars the United States became involved in was a major factor in ending the Jim Crow Law. In addition, the army hated discrimination and the wars in Korea and Vietnam were very decisive in extending American identity to African Americans. Without that, I do not know exactly how Washington could coerce the southern states, perhaps some major event? Some of the Pearl Harbor level, or some axis barbarism in Africa? Something that shows that the fascism is a threat to the United States and everything that it represents but without causing a nuclear war.
 
He was a colonialist asshole to be be fair even OTL.
I won’t be shedding any tears for him.
As in OTL, the main purpose of studing WW2 seems to be to cherry-pick it for examples that support your personal political preferences.
Very true. This seems to be a universal truth of TLs with WW2 equivalents honestly, and considering the crazies online in places like 4chan, I believe it.
This isn't a world I want to live in...
Agreed.
 
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