American Viking: a timeline

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Swede said:
So there's three towns now (since about 1040, really). Botnborg, Nyhöfn and Wampanoagborg. All small towns still.
But compared to much of modern Sweden at the time these would together not be an inconsequential region.
Botnborg and Nyhöfn are both coastal towns, is Wampanoagborg coastal too?

How old is Snorri now? Late 70s? He's been Jarl from the 1030s at least. His eldest son ought to have grown kids of his own by now.

Integrating into the local tribal structure makes sense, as Driftless said. I'm thinking that since the tribe probably runs on traditional rights and obligations, some deviations from the norm for this new sub-tribe would be justified by the way they've entered the tribe slowly over decades while keeping their own identity.
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Snorri Thorfinnsson is 75 right now. He has two children (a son and a daughter). His son is in his 40s and has two sons of his own. Snorri's daughter has one son.

Wampanoagborg is located in the interior as a more central location for tribes to meet.
 
Donald Reaver

Donald Reaver

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It does seem a lot of time with little contact with Europe. They should have captured ships from the raiders, even if not they know how to build them. A limited trading route to Greenland/Iceland should be possible, new blood in immigrants while not large should be happening. Mostly male, most likely but brides in the local tribes is possible.
 
Odinson

Odinson

Donald Reaver said:
It does seem a lot of time with little contact with Europe. They should have captured ships from the raiders, even if not they know how to build them. A limited trading route to Greenland/Iceland should be possible, new blood in immigrants while not large should be happening. Mostly male, most likely but brides in the local tribes is possible.
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There is limited trade with Iceland and Greenland, as is immigration through Botnborg. But journeying to the edge of the world is not exactly a popular idea. Europe doesn't even know there is a Vinland. Trade with Iceland may stop completely before 1300.
 
Odinson

Odinson

So the idea is that there's limited trading with Greenland and Iceland, but basically none with mainland Europe, meaning no jumpstarted colonial era. Is this plausible?
 

Swede

Odinson said:
So the idea is that there's limited trading with Greenland and Iceland, but basically none with mainland Europe, meaning no jumpstarted colonial era. Is this plausible?
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What trade goods do they have that would warrant a long a dangerous trip like the one to Iceland? Seems they're mostly focused on trade with the tribe they're growing to be part of, not concerned with trying to grow trade with Europe.
I'd say the basic concept holds. The details of how it's implemented might not be perfect, maybe have even fewer contacts to Iceland?
 

AntonioBarbarian

Odinson said:
So the idea is that there's limited trading with Greenland and Iceland, but basically none with mainland Europe, meaning no jumpstarted colonial era. Is this plausible?
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Considering you've placed the colony further south, near Boston, yes, it is very plausible. Longer distance means it's even riskier and harder to get to Greenland (which also doesn't have much of anything to trade), let alone Iceland and Europe. If it the settlement was in OTL Newfoundland, then yes, contact would much more frequent and easier, and word would probably get to Europe faster, along with settler.
 
Odinson

Odinson

Swede said:
What trade goods do they have that would warrant a long a dangerous trip like the one to Iceland? Seems they're mostly focused on trade with the tribe they're growing to be part of, not concerned with trying to grow trade with Europe.
I'd say the basic concept holds. The details of how it's implemented might not be perfect, maybe have even fewer contacts to Iceland?
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AntonioBarbarian said:
Considering you've placed the colony further south, near Boston, yes, it is very plausible. Longer distance means it's even riskier and harder to get to Greenland (which also doesn't have much of anything to trade), let alone Iceland and Europe. If it the settlement was in OTL Newfoundland, then yes, contact would much more frequent and easier, and word would probably get to Europe faster, along with settler.
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Well, Botnborg was the one doing the limited trading with Iceland and Greenland prior to being absorbed. I thought somebody said that it was unrealistic for no trade with Europe at one point.
But anyways, good. The Wampanoag nation isn't really looking to trade with Europe. They're mainly trading with Mohawk, lenape, and other Algonquin Skrælings.
 

SenatorErnesto

Will Greenland be abandoned like in OTL?

If so Vinland will probably be completely cut off.

If not I can see trade between Vinland and Greenland and Iceland happening without opening the flood gates to wider Europe, but eventually after a couple of decades Europe will come.

Whether it’s more settlers, adventurers, or most likely the church(and maybe crusaders), Vinland cannot hace contact with Greenland and Iceland and not expect greater European involvement at some point.
 
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Odinson

SenatorErnesto said:
Will Greenland be abandoned like in OTL?

If so Vinland will probably be completely cut off.

If not I can see trade between Vinland and Greenland and Iceland happening without opening the flood gates to wider Europe, but eventually after a couple of decades Europe will come.

Whether it’s more settlers, adventurers, or most likely the church(and maybe crusaders), Vinland cannot hace contact with Greenland and Iceland and not expect greater European involvement at some point.
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Greenland will be abandoned.
 
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    Summer 1086

    It has been six years since Botnborg has formally been admitted to the Wampanoag tribe. The tribe, under the leadership of the Great Sachem (chief/king), has solidified into a more closely knit entity, the ten tribes and the Norse county all swearing fealty to him. The tribes of the Wampanoag nation are Aquinnah, Chappaquiddick, Nantucket, Nauset, Mashpee, Patuxet, Pokanoket, Pocasset, Herring Pond, Assonet, and the Norse tribe.

    For ages uncounted, the Wampanoag have been enemies of the Narragansett tribe, feuding for generations. Now that the Great Sachem has a standing army of braves equipped with iron weapons, he has a new goal in mind...

    Tisquantum marched alongside his fellow warriors. Most were dark skinned like himself, but a few pale faces were mixed in. The warriors were on their way down south to the Great swamp area. The Narragansett had raided Wampanoag land for the last time.

    Each man in the army was trained to be an effective fighter and to fight in a group using basic tactics like shield wall and rush. Was it a perfect strategy? No, the enemy didn't always flee, but it was better than attacking in disorganized bands.

    A herd of hearty goats followed the army of 2,000, carrying food, water, arrows, bed rolls, and other tools. The beasts had been brought from the lands the Norse tribe hailed from, and they had quickly proven their use as a source of meat and furs, as well as pack animals.

    One of the warriors relayed orders from the head of the massive party. "We're making camp tonight. We just crossed into Narragansett territory." The army split off into groups, readying their camps. Tisquantum unrolled his blanket as another brave struck rocks together to produce a spark. A pale face from Botnborg started cooking a rabbit he caught. A fine, Savory scent wafted through the air. Marching had made Tisquantum a hungry warrior. Deciding that he could wait a bit before resting, he went to get a bowl.

    He'd need a full stomach to keep marching tomorrow.
     
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    Donald Reaver said:
    A last perhaps influx from Greenland fleeing south? How it ended is uncertain, plenty of reason some can go south.
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    Botnborg does have more room for fellow Norse...

    Also, sorry with how short the last chapter was. Typing updates only on smart phone is a pain in the rump.
     
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    Summer, 1086

    Tisquantum pulled at the buck skin shirt under his mail armor as he and the rest of the war party trudged through the swamp. The mud (If you could call it that. By this point it was more like water) threatened to suck off his moccasin. The air was hot and muggy, the humidity making the march particularly bad. A frog jumped from underfoot. Tisquantum cursed. "Thought it was a damned snake." The two Norse in front of him were talking in that guttural tounge they had brought from across the great sea. Tisquantum couldn't understand but a few sparse words. He hated when people from Botnborg spoke it. "What in the hell are you talkin about? Speak in Algonquin, for Kehtannit's sake." The norseman turned back and prepared to retort back with obscenities until he saw who it was. Tisquantum, while not leading the army or any individual party, was the son of a powerful warrior. That made him minor nobility. "I.. um.." The Botnborg man turned a bit red in the cheeks. "I was talking to Ivar about my wife's squirrel stew."

    Closing his eyes and exhaling, he grumbled. "Why do you pale faces insist on using that foreign tounge?"
    "Because we're Botnborgers," he fired back. "If not for us, you'd never know how to make those iron weapons you're so fond of."
    "We know how to make them on our own now, so what do we need you for?"

    The words hung stale in the air. The Wampanoag had learned a lot from the Vikings. Things like metal working and warfare. Was Botnborg even still needed? Tisquantum didn't think so.

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    Another hard days march brought the army to the edges of the Narragansett settlement. At the front of the fighting force, a minor sachem gave the orders to light the arrows to burn the warriors out of the settlement. The fire spread from wigwam to wigwam, causing chaos. The order to charge was given. Dirt and mud was kicked up as 2,000 men stormed the field, shields linked together tightly. The two forces clashed like thunder.

    Tisquantum swung his war ax at a rival brave, the arc catching him in the midriff. Howling in pain, the unnamed brave lurched backwards out of Tisquantum 's reach. A second brave came from the side and swung down into the shoulder with a stone club. Grunting, Tisquantum counterattacked with a shield strike to the jaw, shattering the front teeth. His attention returning to his first combatant, he charged forward and thrust the handle of his ax upwards, catching the wounded brave in the noggin. Screaming at the top of his lungs, he shouted out "Wampanoag!!"
    "Wampanoag!!!!!!"

    The renewed vigor of the Wampanoag army was enough to break the will of the Narragansett. The army surrendered and the survivors were taken as slaves. The encampment torched. It was a tremendous victory for the Wampanoag. And yet, it was only the first step in the wars of unification, which would lead to eventual Wampanoag domination over the entire region.
     
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    Odinson said:
    "We know how to make them on our own now, so what do we need you for?"

    The words hung stale in the air. The Wampanoag had learned a lot from the Vikings. Things like metal working and warfare. Was Botnborg even still needed? Tisquantum didn't think so.
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    Ooffff.

    The ember of ethnic conflict have lit!! Unless something has done, to norse will soon be viewed as minority and probably pariah.
     
    Odinson

    Odinson

    last admiral said:
    Ooffff.

    The ember of ethnic conflict have lit!! Unless something has done, to norse will soon be viewed as minority and probably pariah.
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    There is a bit of tension between the groups, with many believing that integration was a bad move. Some Vikings think they should have sat out from any conflict and kept their skills secret, while some Skrælings think that the Norse have no place in the tribe
     

    SenatorErnesto

    Good update, hopefully someone can step in and help avoid a future conflict.

    Whats the current level of intermarriage between the Norse and Natives?

    And is there a definitive list of which domesticates the Norse brought over?
     
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