Holding Out for a Hero: Gustav Stresemann Survives
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Well it's all down to personal taste I'm sure. But I'd advise you to have a look at a couple of your favourite fiction novels, and see how they handle dialogue. Whichever style you end up using, it's important to have it down right, considering how much dialogue you have thus far.
I don't mean this to sound overly critical - I like the TL so far, and will be following it when I have the time - just that I think a lot of people never get constructive feedback on their writing, and in some people's TLs, it really shows....
Well, at least we get something somewhat similar to OTL's EEC/EC/EU without having to have a major war between Germany and France...
As for Churchill, one assumption one can make is that he won't be Prime Minister...
Interesting that you also had the idea of combining this and LoSYS. I'm not so certain it would be boring. Seeing the difference of China's development compared to, well, LoSYS, could be interesting (given that Sino-German co-operation is less likely to end in such a case). And no/radically different WW2, too, which would make an interesting read... well, at least when we have more LoSYS to compare to.
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Faeelin
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Maybe 1960.
Here's a question.
Does Stresemann end up as Chancellor instead of Bruning? Or does he end up as Foreign Minister in Bruning's cabinet?
Given that the only reference to him so far has been "Churchill? The journalist?" I guess not.
What is LoSYS?
Legacy of Sun Yat-Sen. LoSYS is shorter and easier to write, so, given that I mentioned it more then once...What is LoSYS?
This is no more than a hunch really, but I assume he would be Foreign Minister rather than Chancellor. (Assuming the general support of the parties is relatively the same as it was historically, I think you'd have to give the Chancellery to the Centre Party.)
I like the title btw. Didn't know you were a Bonnie Tyler fan.
And answer your PM's!
Faeelin
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The DVP have about ten votes more, the Centre about ten votes less.
I'm not so sure. Hindenburg appointed Bruning, who led a coalition government including everyone but the Social Democrats. If you're going by popular vote alone, then the DNVP should've led the government, yet it didn't.
So, I think you can make a case that Stresemann, who had the army's ambivalent support (and by far the most respected Weimar politician) would end up heading the government.
Olmeka
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I think it is a bit idealistic. Streseman was no doubt a skilled diplomat but at the same time a German nationalist. While peacefull and ready to engage in diplomacy towards Western powers, he was quite ruthless and uncompromising towards countries he viewed as weak in the east. He envisioned that waging a economic war would lead to collapse in Poland which Germany would use to take territories it lost to Poland after WW1. In the opinion of his fellow politicians from German this was unrealistic.
It is interesting that Stresseman policies could backfire. He would neutralise France while antagonising Czechoslovakia and Poland, who without French would be pushed into each other's arms. Both could try to help each other economically and without Hitler's absolute power Stresseman's Germany wouldn't be able to force such military changes to sucessfully win a quick war(quick because otherwise France or Britain would intervene) against those both countries. So instead of domination Germany would find itself in stalemate.
Possible outcomes-
Possibility I-enforced peace due to deadlock
Possibility II- drawn out war ending in revolution in Germany by elements hostile to Weimar.
Possibility III-Soviet takeover together with Germany of those countries. WW2 follows with stronger Soviets and weaker German forces.
Possibility IV-Soviet takeover without German agreement. Quicker war, maybe supported by Britain and France. Possibility of Soviets using Slavic nationalism to gain support of Poles and Czechs-claiming they protect them from Germans and corrupt aristocracy and business leaders in service of German military industrial complex.
It is interesting that Stresseman policies could backfire. He would neutralise France while antagonising Czechoslovakia and Poland, who without French would be pushed into each other's arms. Both could try to help each other economically and without Hitler's absolute power Stresseman's Germany wouldn't be able to force such military changes to sucessfully win a quick war(quick because otherwise France or Britain would intervene) against those both countries. So instead of domination Germany would find itself in stalemate.
Possible outcomes-
Possibility I-enforced peace due to deadlock
Possibility II- drawn out war ending in revolution in Germany by elements hostile to Weimar.
Possibility III-Soviet takeover together with Germany of those countries. WW2 follows with stronger Soviets and weaker German forces.
Possibility IV-Soviet takeover without German agreement. Quicker war, maybe supported by Britain and France. Possibility of Soviets using Slavic nationalism to gain support of Poles and Czechs-claiming they protect them from Germans and corrupt aristocracy and business leaders in service of German military industrial complex.
You love turning every timeline where Germany might end up better off into a Polewank where Germany suffers, don't you?
Foreign Shadow-only Possibility I out IV has Poland as surviving independent state. It is kind of funny when considered- a suriving Poland is Polandwank
Ah, yes, I see. My bad. My apologies for the mistake. However, my point was drawn from SEVERAL of your posts on SEVERAL threads, however. But in this case, yes, I see, this isn't a Polandwank, just a Deutschbash.
There's nothing wrong with a little of that, as long as one isn't Hurgan.
Olmeka
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None of the possibilites I proposed speak about Germany losing the war with Soviets. Although I agree that it isn't likely. Other solutions exist like Socialist revolution in Germany and German Socialist Republic joing Soviet Union on its own during war in Europe.
The possibility IV could have Germany coming out of it surviving if it gets Britain and France on its side against SU.
My belief is that without Hitler's destruction of socialist opposition Germany would be beset by continued strife between nationalist and left forces that would come to boiling point in time of crisis.
Also without Hitler's "determination" Germany would be weaker in morale or military.
The possibility IV could have Germany coming out of it surviving if it gets Britain and France on its side against SU.
My belief is that without Hitler's destruction of socialist opposition Germany would be beset by continued strife between nationalist and left forces that would come to boiling point in time of crisis.
Also without Hitler's "determination" Germany would be weaker in morale or military.
Again, you love to posit timelines where Germany suffers revolution, military invasion, or both, don't you?