I agree.
Besides without Hitler Facisism isnt that bad. At least its better than communism.
The Ethiopians would like to argue with that.
I agree.
Besides without Hitler Facisism isnt that bad. At least its better than communism.
The Ethiopians would like to argue with that.
MerryPrankster, strawman. The question is not whether communism is good or bad but whether Germany should be spared the post-war terms, as you agree it would not be, if only a few top figures were killed first.
MerryPrankster, strawman. The question is not whether communism is good or bad but whether Germany should be spared the post-war terms, as you agree it would not be, if only a few top figures were killed first.
My humble suggestion to the pro-Valkyrie posters, who may not have become aware of this, by witnessing previous similar debates: it's not really worth the effort. There is no way you are going to have a constructive discussion with the anti-Valkyrie crowd on this issue.
I would respond but arguing with Eurofed is like the most retarded exercise possible on AH.com.
Like all his posts are driven by a combination of Germanophilia, anti-communism, Imperialist and borderline Fascist ideologues as oppose to actual knowledge of history. When faced with an argument he will make longass posts which are basically assertions without evidence (and sometimes just outright state wrong historical facts), make incredibly general statements that couldn't be proved or disproved, using the exception fallacy or card stacking, and if the argument goes on long enough, he will basically just make those in circles and ignore inconvenient facts. Like once he has an idea it is literally impossible to change it no matter what.
Also holy shit, like the guy basically thinks that Fascistic states are alright, and that even National Socialism would have being ok minus Hitler. At the same time: Communism, is of course, a great evil which must be destroyed at all costs, preferably by a German led Pan-European crusade. And Austria must always be united with Germany in all of this for the greater glory of the DeutscheVolk.
Yeah yeah, report me if you want, but goddammit it's true
What exactly is wrong with anti-Communism?
Some people here seem to think that's a bad thing.
Because it's almost always used as a fig leaf for people trying to defend the most inexcusable excesses of right-wing extremists, up to and including people saying Nazi Germany was in the moral right for fighting Stalin's Soviet Union.
Modern European far-right with ties to fascism tries to portay Nazi Germany or its supporters as good by portaying their fight as "anti-communism". While Nazi Germany used that term, it is not the same with modern meaning, as for Nazis communism was based on race and they identified "anti-communism" as extermination of Jews. In case of Valkyrie group their leaders wanted to ethnically cleanse much of Jewish population from Europe.What exactly is wrong with anti-Communism?
Some people here seem to think that's a bad thing.
Hitler had Nazism not Fascism.The two are not the same ideologies. Of course while Valkyrie group were largely people that could classify as Fascists, it all depends on point of view. The Czech or Polish people probably would prefer their own communist governments than being forced labor ruled by Fascist Valkyrie Germany(not that it had a chance of existing in the first place).Besides without Hitler Facisism isnt that bad. At least its better than communism.
Most of the plotters were far right nationalists who were supportive of authoritarian rule with support by aristocracy and military.Not a democracy as we know it.All im saying is that even if Valkarye succeeds(highly unlikely) it will at most lead to a democratic germany, and a more democratic east.
None of which equal to organized industrial attempt to exterminate whole nations and classifying nations as something not human.Just as so-called "anti-fascism" is used as a fig leaf for people trying to defend the most inexcusable excesses of left-wing extremists, up to and including people defending the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution and anything the Khmer Rouge did.
I would respond but arguing with Eurofed is like the most retarded exercise possible on AH.com.
Like all his posts are driven by a combination of Germanophilia, anti-communism, Imperialist and borderline Fascist ideologues as oppose to actual knowledge of history. When faced with an argument he will make longass posts which are basically assertions without evidence (and sometimes just outright state wrong historical facts), make incredibly general statements that couldn't be proved or disproved, using the exception fallacy or card stacking, and if the argument goes on long enough, he will basically just make those in circles and ignore inconvenient facts. Like once he has an idea it is literally impossible to change it no matter what.
Also holy shit, like the guy basically thinks that Fascistic states are alright, and that even National Socialism would have being ok minus Hitler. At the same time: Communism, is of course, a great evil which must be destroyed at all costs, preferably by a German led Pan-European crusade. And Austria must always be united with Germany in all of this for the greater glory of the DeutscheVolk.
Yeah yeah, report me if you want, but goddammit it's true
But what about Nazism ? Definitely worse than Fascism and Communism combined...While Fascism was (and is) a blight on Humanity, Communism, at least in practical terms, was/is equally bad. .
Lumping people you disagree with into vague groups (without naming individual members) and then attributing all types of ridiculous beliefs to them is not welcome here.
But what about Nazism ? Definitely worse than Fascism and Communism combined...
I don't recall any communism movement declaring that certain nations are not human and organising an industrial project of their extermination.Democidal fascism (AKA Nazism) and democidal communism (AKA Leninism-Stalinism-Maoism) are again two faces of the same coin
I don't recall any communism movement declaring that certain nations are not human and organising an industrial project of their extermination.