Well if the Hashemites are still the Sharifs of Mecca, then I'd imagine one of them. But thats probably not gonna happen as the Arab Revolt still happened, so the Ottomans probably removed the Hashemites. In OTL, I believe the King of Egypt and Sudan was offered the caliphate, but he turned it down. Maybe in this timeline, he agrees.
TL-191: After the End
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By 2024, football is the dominant sport in the United States. Ice hockey and baseball are also popular sports, though they have more regional followings compared to football.
Boxing is a popular national sport in the United States, though by 2024, it has started to face competition in popularity from combat sports analogous to mixed martial arts from our world.
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In 2013, Nerdlinger, another person from this forum, wrote a history of TTL’s American Football League, and NFL teams. This history ended at 2009, but the information on AFL teams in 2009 is still correct for the AFL by 2024. By 2024, the analogue to our world’s Super Bowl is the World Bowl, which is hosted by the AFL. The Game Day for World Bowl has been made into an official national US holiday.
The following text on the AFL, describing its history and teams up until 2009, was written by Nerdlinger.
By 2024, no one single claimant of the title of caliph has yet to gain popular support in the former Ottoman Empire.
By 2024, the fall of the CSA is viewed by most US historians and most of the US public as both a military victory over an existential threat to the Union and the tragic culmination of the North American Wars that stemmed from the initial success of the Confederacy in breaking away from the United States.
I suppose any independence movements for the South are as fringe and meaningless as our timeline's Texas independence movements?
He mentioned several times that independence movements in all territories of the U.S are fringe by the end of the 20th century. By the 24th century, they’d be the fringiest of fringe. Especially as theirs not much of a reason to be independent of the U.S.
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Okay, then who is the Caliph by 2162 if the Islamic World decides to continue the title?
Eh,some of ‘em could just launch an O’Neill cylinder or harness an asteroid and found a colony somewhere in space.
What fate in this Timeline would have befallen Sergei Korolev, the Chief Designer of the Soviet Space Programme, Werner von Braun, the fellow who designed the Saturn V Rocket, Neil Armstrong, the first man on the Moon, and also Albert Einstein, who I am quite certain needs no introduction by me?
By 2024, there are no prominent movements for independence in the Midsouth. This is a legacy of the devastation caused by the Freedom Party regime and the Second Great War, as well as the successful postwar US counterinsurgency campaign against anti-US rebels in the former CSA.
In the TL-191 series, I believe it’s mentioned that Albert Einstein was one of the important scientists who was involved in the German project to build a superbomb.
I assume that Einstein’s life and career was broadly similar to that of his counterpart from our world until the 1930s. Without the rise of the Third Reich, Einstein would have no reason to leave for the United States.
After the end of the Second Great War, Albert Einstein, along with other German and Austro-Hungarian scientists, remained involved with the German effort to develop what became known as the sunbomb, the analogue in TTL to the hydrogen bomb. Einstein was privately horrified by the destructiveness of the final nuclear exchanges that ended the Second Great War, but was resigned to what he thought was the inevitable development of more and more powerful weapons.
Einstein died in 1957.
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Neil Armstrong doesn’t exist in TTL. By 2024, there is an analogue to the Armstrong family that mostly lives throughout the Midwest of the United States.
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The analogue to Sergei Korolev in TTL, of the same name, was born on a different date compared to our world. His family survived the First Great War, but elected not to either stay in the new Kingdom of Ukraine or return to a Russian Empire torn apart by civil war. Korolev and his family emigrated to the Empire of Brazil in 1922.
Korolev was academically gifted, and eventually became fluent in Portuguese as he trained to be an engineer. He spent his career on road and rail construction projects throughout Brazil, and eventually retired to the city of Curitiba.
By 2024, one of Korolev’s granddaughters is a theoretical physicist attached to the Empire of Brazil’s national space program.
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The analogue in TTL to Wernher von Braun, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date compared to our world. He eventually played a key role in the postwar unified Austro-Hungarian and German space alliance during the Space Chase with the United States.
The analogue in TTL to William Fullerton, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. His life was broadly similar to that of his counterpart from our world until after the end of the First Great War.
Fullerton came of age during the British loss in the First Great War, which also ended in the independence of Ireland. Fullerton became the leader of a gang of unemployed dock workers and former soldiers in Glasgow, which came to be popularly known as the King’s Men. The King’s Men became notorious in the early 1920s for their violence in Glasgow against labour organizers, as well as for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
During the General Strike of 1925, Fullerton offered the King’s Men as strike breakers for those companies whose workers joined the work stoppage. The General Strike served to further radicalize Fullerton politically, and also led to his alliance in Glasgow between the King’s Men and some local politicians.
By the late 1920s, Fullerton had allied himself with the Silver Shirts, though he initially resisted entreaties from Oswald Mosley to formally merge the King’s Men with his own faction. It wasn’t until the ascendancy of the Conservative-Silver Shirt Coalition in the early 1930s that Fullerton agreed to merge the King’s Men with the Silver Shirts, at the price of Mosley making Fullerton the political boss of the Silver Shirts for the entirety of Scotland.
Under the Coalition regime, William Fullerton established what was effectively his own private political fiefdom in Scotland. Fullerton was zealous in crushing the labour movement and any real or imagined left-wing political activity in Scotland. Conditions also worsened throughout Scotland for Catholics, who were subject to numerous unofficial forms of social and economic discrimination.
Fullerton, in a continuation from his earliest days as leader of the King’s Men in Glasgow, led what was effectively a criminal extortion and smuggling racket in the 1930s and early 1940s that at its height during the Second Great War extended into northern England, as well as Ireland following the British military conquest of that nation.
Oswald Mosley viewed Fullerton with disdain and suspicion. Some postwar historians speculated that had the Entente won the Second Great War and the Coalition remained in power, Fullerton would have played a role in a hypothetical power struggle within the regime to succeed Winston Churchill. These speculations formed part of the basis for the plot of the 1992 Australian spec fic and political thriller Lions Led by Donkeys, by Hercules Edwards, which imagined, in a world where the Entente won the Second Great War, a power struggle between Randolph Churchill and Oswald Mosley, in which William Fullerton plays what ultimately proves to be a pivotal role in support of the victor of this power struggle.
William Fullerton fell from power in 1944, with the end of the Second Great War and the fall of the Conservative-Silver Shirt Coalition. Fullerton fled from the United Kingdom with his family and his closest allies, initially for South Africa, before ultimately decamping for Rhodesia. He died of malaria in 1950.
Fullerton left a bitter legacy in Scotland, which was marred by worse sectarian hatred between Protestants and Catholics in the late 20th Century compared to our world. This was compounded by the survival of criminal activity in Scotland that was descended from the extortion and smuggling racket that Fullerton ran during his time in power, which was not successfully suppressed until the late 1960s.
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By 2024, the teams that comprise the Old Firm are the same as in our world, though the rivalry between these teams is more hard edged compared to OTL.
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TTL's Peaky Blinders analog would certainly be interesting.
Does the Orange Order still exist ITTL?
@David bar Elias Why didn’t the Nord-du-Québec (North of Quebec) a largely indigenous (more than 2/3) but little populated state either go independent or join the USA? In IOTL the reason why the Quebec independence referendum failed because the native population didn’t want to be a part of a state that they had no stake in or was seen in their interest (helps they don’t see themselves as Quebec or Canadian). It seems more likely they would declare independence later down the line than be part of a state that would marginalise them, as most of their brethren would be in the USA. What’s the story there?
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The cutoff point for otl figures is 1922, so at best there’d be a very distant analogue of him.