The Union Forever: A TL

It's hard to say whether a push for LAR integration would be enough to get Quebec to want to secede. My gut says no. Unless another war or something makes the LAR seem crucial.
 
I don't see there being any bigger Quebec separatism as in OTL. Speciality if someone French president or another major French politician not be stupid and keep "Vive le Quebéc Libre" speech.
 
Sure thing. Please keep in mind this is a very brief overview and is by no means comprehensive.



As you can see in the map below the world is largely divided into eight major power blocs, although many consider the Community of South Asian States (CSAS) a junior partner to the British Commonwealth as a number of states overlap. All blocs are nuclear powers except for CSAS.

League of American Republics (LAR): Democratic, anti-imperialist, mostly favors free market economies. Largest power bloc by combined GDP. Unofficially led by the United States. Currently engaged in a Cold War with the Technocratic Union. Friendliest towards British Commonwealth and Turin Pact.

One would assume that if the LAR is in a Cold War with the TU, then whatever replaced the Kobushi Government in Japan after the Asia-Pacific War would be an American ally
 
So some Bear and the Dragon action between China and the IEF? That would be interesting. If one can avoid nuclear war, then I'd like to see how an information age Great War Two looks like. Maybe Japan could get back some of its Empire, like Formosa

I have to admit, I'm honestly really torn on Manchuria. As much as I hate colonialism I really don't want technocracy to expand.

It's not really colonialism though. Manchuria is a core province of the IEF; it's like Siberia and Central Asia, or Quebec in relation to Canada, more than it is a colonialism issue.

I doubt the migration of Han into North Eastern China has been butterflied away so "Manchuria" should be overwhelmingly Han Chinese, an extra layer of complexity.

Hoping for some aggressive Technocratic expansion

Thanks for the comments guys. To touch on a few points.

Tensions are certainly high between the Technate of China and the IEF over Manchuria. We will have to see if a war eventually erupts and whether or not it would go nuclear. China and the IEF have the two largest armies in the world so it would certainly be bloody.

I highly doubt that if another war broke out in Asia, Japan would have any chance or even desire to recapture territory. Formosa is virtually devoid of Japanese at this point. Also due to the Treaty of Manila, Japan's military is heavily restricted until the year 2010. The Imperial Navy is banned form operating aircraft carriers and limited to 150,000 tons and the Imperial Army is capped at 500,000 troops including reservists until that time. Not to mention that Japan is probably still paying off the 75 billion pounds sterling war indemnity.

On whether IEF Manchuria is colonialism or not depends on who you ask. Since the formation of the IEF in 1974, Manchuria has had a certain amount of self government. However, all military, foreign affairs, and international trade are managed from St. Petersburg. Some view this as a reasonable arrangement while others, mostly non-Russian Manchurians, want greater control.
 
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Shouldn't Indonesia and Japan be allied with the United States then?

And thanks for the map :)

One would assume that if the LAR is in a Cold War with the TU, then whatever replaced the Kobushi Government in Japan after the Asia-Pacific War would be an American ally

Japan is an American ally. Remember the color scheme on the map only shows members of the LAR. The Philippines are another ally.

Indonesia is neutral, largely due to its political divisions which make it hard to pick a consistent foreign policy for fear of angering one faction or another.
 
Why do I feel that a Vietnam-style Quagmire is going to happen in a few years TTL? TTL '94 is the same situation as OTL '66 in South East Asia, but the OTL Eastern Bloc/TTL Technocratic Union is right on SEA's doorstep.....

We will have to wait and see. But the possibility for military overreach by either side certainly exists.
 
It's hard to say whether a push for LAR integration would be enough to get Quebec to want to secede. My gut says no. Unless another war or something makes the LAR seem crucial.

I don't see there being any bigger Quebec separatism as in OTL. Speciality if someone French president or another major French politician not be stupid and keep "Vive le Quebéc Libre" speech.

Yeah, these are pretty much my thoughts. Truth be told, I have in the past flirted with having Quebec break away but I think it makes more sense to them to stay. I would also wager that the shared experience of the Asia-Pacific War has instilled a stronger sense of Canadian nationalism.
 
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1995: Foreign and Domestic Developments
1995

Foreign and Domestic Developments

In the German Empire 1995 general election, Chancellor Ernst Osterloh and his Conservative Party retained control of the government citing economic strength at home and laudable achievements in the space race. The Conservatives did suffer a reduced majority though, largely due to concerns over the political status of Cameroon. Both in Cameroon and in Germany the issue sparked a growing number of demonstrations and protests some of which were growing increasingly violent. The Von Hassel Commission, which since 1991 had been tasked with finding a permanent solution, was due to finally publish its recommendations early next year.

After being diagnosed with terminal thyroid cancer, American Vice President Palmer Lockwood of Texas resigned in February. Senator Franklin M. Blanton, from Ohio, was nominated by President Lincoln and approved by the Senate becoming the first African American vice president in U.S. history..

During the fall, San Salvador hosted an impressive gathering of prominent fiction and nonfiction authors. Over the next decade, the biennial San Salvador Book Festival would grow to be one of the largest in the world.

During the 1995 UK general election the Conservative-Imperial Progressive-Unionist coalition government under Ned Frasier failed to gain a majority despite a recovering economy. Most voters disagreed that Prime Minister Frasier had successfully halted the British Commonwealth’s “slow decent into irrelevance.” A new coalition between the Liberals and the Democratic Labor Party, recently founded by members of the now defunct Socialist Workers Party, formed a government. Liberal leader Geoffrey Lever became Prime Minister with an agenda concentrating on domestic issues.

The 1995 World’s Fair was held in Kyoto, Japan. The former imperial capital had been selected to host the World’s Fair in 1979 but was moved due to the then ongoing Asia-Pacific War. Emperor Shinjiro, who assumed the throne early that year after his father Nobuhito died after a reign of 59 years, used the exposition to demonstrate Japan’s impressive economic comeback and transition to democracy.

In yet another spat of violence in Manchuria, IEF forces and soldiers from the Technate of Korea briefly exchanged artillery fire across the Yalu River. While luckily no one was killed, over a dozen were seriously injured. The IEF claimed the cause of the event was that it was trying to interdict technocratic guerrillas slipping across the border. A Technocratic Union spokeswoman maintained that the people in question were refugees fleeing “imperial Russian aggression”. Days after the event, IEF Prime Minister Bronislav Mihaylov announced the deployment of another 45,000 troops to Manchuria. Unsurprisingly this increase in troops did little to quiet the growing antiwar movement inside of the IEF.

During his first few months in office, British Prime Minister Geoffrey Lever's cabinet signed a treaty with the Republic of Egypt effectively handing over controlling interest of the Suez Canal. Britain stayed on as a minority partner. This had followed years of tense negotiation between the United Kingdom and the Egyptian government of President Atef Hegazi over who would administer the canal. President Hegazi had even hinted privately that if Egypt was not given control, military actions would be considered. While the treaty would not take effect until December 31, 1999 and Britain would get preferential access during times of war, Conservatives lambasted the agreement as an unnecessary and foolhardy arrangement.


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Hmm some interesting foreign developments. Odd choice for the British fearing that they are fading into irrelevancy to relinquish control of the canal versus some sort of joint administration.

As an aside on Quebec separatism, I could see it actually having something more of a voice here. The war against France would most likely not have been popular (especially if conscription ever came up) as Frenchmen would not be eager to fight fellow Frenchmen. Assuming we have similar situations to the historical Metis rebellion (seen as repression against fellow Frenchmen) and a streak of nationalist feeling we might see at least one party pushing for separation into an independent republic.
 
Well, Britain is slowly losing the power it once held around the world - even though it is stronger than in OTL. They should seek an alliance with the United States as should Japan.

The situation in Manchuria is getting a bit dangerous. I think the Technate of China is planning to conquer the former Chinese territory for itself.
 
Yeah, these are pretty much my thoughts. Truth be told, I have in the past flirted with having Quebec break away but I think it makes more sense to them to stay. I would also wager that the shared experience of the Asia-Pacific War has instilled a stronger sense of Canadian nationalism.

Imagine if Quebec shed the monarchy and joined the LAR (maybe as an observer or something) but stayed with Canada.
 
Hmm some interesting foreign developments. Odd choice for the British fearing that they are fading into irrelevancy to relinquish control of the canal versus some sort of joint administration.
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Good point EnglishCanuck. I have altered the text a bit to show that Britain is still a minority partner in administering the canal. However, it is still a blow to prestige. The new Liberal government in Britain did not want to risk a war with Egypt, which some intelligence services were gearing up for a fight over the canal.
 
As an aside on Quebec separatism, I could see it actually having something more of a voice here. The war against France would most likely not have been popular (especially if conscription ever came up) as Frenchmen would not be eager to fight fellow Frenchmen. Assuming we have similar situations to the historical Metis rebellion (seen as repression against fellow Frenchmen) and a streak of nationalist feeling we might see at least one party pushing for separation into an independent republic.

Imagine if Quebec shed the monarchy and joined the LAR (maybe as an observer or something) but stayed with Canada.


Interesting points y'all. Is it possible for Quebec to shed the monarchy and stay in Canada?
 
Interesting points y'all. Is it possible for Quebec to shed the monarchy and stay in Canada?

Only if they voted for independence (ironically they did around this time historically in OTL :p). Legally it would be pretty iffy to shed the crown and still be part of Canada unless there was an overhaul of how they were attacked to Canada (autonomous region?) so that's an issue.
 
Just wanted to chime in and say that this TL is totally awesome.
I want it to go on to the present day.
I've read the entire thing over three durations of time lasting 22 hours in total.
Also, I don't think things will look for China when war likely comes. It will likely be turned to mincemeat the way Japan/India was earlier.
But you might very well have something down your sleaves...so I'm not saying this will happen for sure.
 
Some questions:
Are demographical trends hurting the Motherland party at the ballot box?
How is the Scottish nationalist movement fairing? Does the slower pace of decolonization hurt it IOTL?
What is the primary alternate history site in IOTL?
 
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