And what I wonder now is what is the gambling capital of the USA, now that Las Vegas has been demoted to a military base?
Good question. Anyone have any thoughts?
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Good question. Anyone have any thoughts?
According to Wikipedia, Tucson was founded in 1775, so it predates the PoD by almost a full century.
You are completely correct. I can't believe I missed that. I will change it.
And who was Halleckville named after? I forgot all about that, TBH.
This fellow from the Civil War:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Halleck
If I would have to guess you would have somewhere in this ranked ordered of gambling importance:
Havana, CB
Atlantic City, NJ
Reno, NV
*Palm Springs, CA
*This world is different than ours so some variations will change and here I think a small, but growing gambling center to cater to southern California would arise. I would expect that come the 2000s it might be rivaling Havana as a gambling center in the US.
Havana, CB
Atlantic City, NJ
Reno, NV
*Palm Springs, CA
*This world is different than ours so some variations will change and here I think a small, but growing gambling center to cater to southern California would arise. I would expect that come the 2000s it might be rivaling Havana as a gambling center in the US.
Too far really. It will be a tourist destination but it is a tad too far with other places closer.
One place that is missing is some place in the center of the country. But that just might be like OTL where it is banned and eventually river boat gambling comes about.
Well, how about St. Louis? IOTL, it was a city that was fairly open to immigrants, including many Italians and Irish, and it's right next to the Mississippi.
Even New Orleans would be a really decent place for gambling, TBH; maybe even better than STL because it was also a major coastal port IOTL, on top of being a popular destination for immigrants. And as a bonus, if the city(and region as a whole) is anything like OTL, it'd be quite a bit more relaxed & libertine than the rest of the South, I would imagine.
I thought about STL, since I live right across the river from it, and it is possible. There was a river boat casino here for a long time, before the other ones started popping up in the area, so it is possible, but Missouri would have to change the state laws letting non water based (and let me tell you the casinos have gone to some strange lengths to get around that particular wording, i.e. floating buildings that rest on river water) casinos to really be a huge draw. Doable, and with this universe's equivalent of Disney World already in STL it might just be viable for that to happen.
New Orleans maybe...or Mobile as well for the Gulf coast (there are casinos there I believe). I just think enough people would take a flight to Havana though for gambling, beaches, and Caribbean life rather than New Orleans. Not to say there wouldn't be some local industry deal but not a huge draw.
Really all up to MacGregor though on what he thinks.
Great discussion y'all! Here are my thoughts. Like OTL, gambling in TUF varies from place to place and time to time. Overall, gambling is more decentralized than OTL with no single spot equaling OTL's Las Vegas. As of the late 1970s here are some of the major gambling locations in order of magnitude.
1. The Caribbean states. All five of the Caribbean states have legalized gambling. Havana and Panama City are the biggest gambling centers.
2. Lake's Crossing, Nevada (OTL's Reno). Serves as the major gambling town for the West Coast. However, Americans living in southern California often travel to Mexico to gamble.
3. New Orleans, Louisiana. As America's gambling hub before the Civil War, New Orleans would reclaim its title as the South's city of sin following reconciliation. River boat gambling on the Mississippi is also available. In resent years with the advent of cheaper air travel New Orleans has been loosing market share to the Caribbean.
4. Atlantic City, New Jersey. A popular gambling destination for the northeastern United States.
And who was Halleckville named after? I forgot all about that, TBH.
Yep, Halleckville is mostly in the location of OTL's Phoenix. And as TBH said it is named after General Henry Halleck who has a better reputation ITTL than ours.
Asia-Pacific War: Jul - Dec 1977
The Pacific and Southeast Asia
July – December 1977
July – December 1977
Commonwealth HT-68 Pegasus helicopters over Papua
October, 1977
Papua and Malaya
In early July, the commander of Commonwealth forces on Papua, General Sir Peter Carter, had strengthened his forces enough to go on the offensive. On July 6, a brigade composed of Australian and New Zealand troops made a helicopter-borne landing behind Japanese lines west of the port of Alotau near the eastern most tip of the island. The operation proved to be a striking success with Alotau falling a few weeks later. Subsequent operations at Kokoda and Goroka proved much harder and the Japanese managed to hold their ground. By the end of the year, the Commonwealth had made only modest territorial gains but continued to grow in number of men and equipment. The Japanese under General Fujimoto however, were increasingly neglected by Tokyo and forced to make do with little in the way of reinforcements and supplies.
On the Malayan Peninsula, General Travers launched a limited offensive in September. After fierce fighting, Travers managed to push the Japanese back some 30 miles before losses forced him to halt the advance. This brought some much needed breathing room for the Singapore defenses. Travers hoped that with Japanese forces busy elsewhere, 1978 would provide the opportunity to finally drive the Japanese off the peninsula.
Indochina
In mid-August, the Technate of China suffered 112,000 casualties after a failed attempt to breach Compact lines south of the Red River. Not wishing to repeat such a costly failure, the leader of Technate forces in Indochina, General Sun Xuan, shifted his attention to the west. For nearly three months, Chinese troops surged south through Laos, while keeping pressure on the Compact’s main body near the Vietnamese cost. On November 26, Technate forces began their assault on the Laotian capital of Vientiane. The battle would last ten days and see most of the city destroyed. When the city’s commander finally surrendered, the Technate had captured over 95,000 Compact prisoners. The fall of Vientiane had a huge impact on the conflict. First, it effectively knocked the Kingdom of Laos out of the war. Second, with Laos out of the way, King Rama X decided the time was right to enter the conflict and reclaim lost territory. Siam would officially join the war against the Calcutta Compact on December 22. Third, with the loss of Laos, Compact forces in Vietnam would soon be forced to withdraw further south or be cut off. Finally, the triumph at Vientiane proved to be a major morale boost for the Chinese and their Commonwealth allies with British Prime Minister Vaughan declaring it “only the first of the enemy capitals that will fall.”
The Air War
The second half of 1977, would see a sizable increase in aerial attacks on the Chinese mainland and Japanese held islands. The Technate concentrated on attacking Japanese installations on Hainan, Formosa, and the Korean Peninsula. The Japanese focused their attention on Chinese cities aiming to demoralize the population and disrupt the Technate’s industrial centers. In a six month period the cities of Peking, Tianjin, Shanghai, Canton, and Nanking all suffered heavy damage with civilian casualties estimated at over 275,000. By December, Japanese bombing raids became less common as Chinese air defenses inflicted unsustainable losses on Japanese bombers. Scenes of devastated Chinese cities became a common sight on televisions around the world. The International Humanitarian Association along with a number of European and American governments pleaded in vain for a moratorium on the bombing of cities.
A suburb of Canton damaged by Japanese bombers
December, 1977
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