The Iron Eagle II - Days of Strife

[Baran]

Fine. Let them delete it. I'm tired of pandering to people that show outrage because their jimmies are rustled.

I'm Autistic and I use the HOI4 base map as my main map template, so @Baran's comment basically describes me (though I don't play HOI4, I tried it a few times and it was too complicated for my brain to handle).

I bet 500$ you are not. You want to sound outraged and delete something because you want to feel powerful and in control. If you were actually neurodivergent, I bet you would be the finest logistics organizer conquering the world in years. Today everyone claims neurodivergence to feel special.

Not that there is any problem with being autistic.

The mods probably wouldn't find it funny though.

Oh no, the horror. Allow me to express my shock in a half-asleep frown.

 

[Aluma]

I bet 500$ you are not

Thats in very bad taste, specially since he wasnt the dude who told you to delete it, he was just saying a trivia(if not outright defending you)

 

[Gabingston]

I bet 500$ you are not. You want to sound outraged and delete something because you want to feel powerful and in control. If you were actually neurodivergent, I bet you would be the finest logistics organizer conquering the world in years. Today everyone claims neurodivergence to feel special.

Not that there is any problem with being autistic.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. It feels like there's an insult and compliment wrapped into the same comment. I wasn't offended by your first comment. "Autistic HOI4 Map Painter" is basically what I am.
EDIT: No, it was definitely an insult.

 

[TheSpectacledCloth]

I'm Autistic and I use the HOI4 base map as my main map template, so @Baran's comment basically describes me (though I don't play HOI4, I tried it a few times and it was too complicated for my brain to handle).

I'm Autistic as well, and I also play HOI4. I can tell you right now that autism is nothing to joke about.

Fine. Let them delete it. I'm tired of pandering to people that show outrage because their jimmies are rustled.

I bet 500$ you are not. You want to sound outraged and delete something because you want to feel powerful and in control. If you were actually neurodivergent, I bet you would be the finest logistics organizer conquering the world in years. Today everyone claims neurodivergence to feel special.

Not that there is any problem with being autistic.


Oh no, the horror. Allow me to express my shock in a half-asleep frown.

Wow. That's just cold, man. You're probably gonna go to coventry for this one.

And for the record, you have my pity.

 

[Gabingston]

I'm Autistic as well, and I also play HOI4. I can tell you right now that autism is nothing to joke about.

Wow. That's just cold, man. You're probably gonna go to coventry for this one.

And for the record, you have my pity.

I think you have to be at least a little bit on the spectrum to use this website as much as I do. I've probably spent thousands of hours here, for better and/or for worse.
EDIT: Autism is definitely something to joke about.

 

[mcginnis2002]

I don't think we should derail this thread anymore.

 

[TheSpectacledCloth]

I don't think we should derail this thread anymore.

Agreed.

 

[GrimmJow007]

What a mess.

 

[BigBoy88]

Oh in applied sciences, they will NOT be wanting. But the ideology of national socialism is evil and violent, and has no mercy for theoretic fields or "Jewish Science" of theoretical sciences with fuzzy mathematics. As time passes they will miniaturize and improve on existing technology, but I doubt they will have things like advanced AI or even super advanced nuclear systems. And fusion? Forgetaboudit.

The issue of "Jewish Science" will inevitably falter in Germany as it advances as a country over time. Many radical nations who pursued ideologically motivated pseudoscience such the Soviet Union with Trofim Lysenko's ideas on biology and agricultural upkeep in a class-conscientious sense, rejecting foundational concepts of understood genetics lead to disaster during the Soviet famines of the 30s and 40s. But still, despite ridiculous ideas like the aforementioned example having been held for so long, the country changed its approach and eventually proceeded onwards with actual verifiable sciences, like the space race, trinary and binary computersystems, biology and bacteriophages, chemical engineering etc...

Nazi Germany, I think, would have even greater advantage compared to the USSR in sciences and even over America too in many ways, mainly due to the sheer volume of scientists they had in the country during the Nazi era, despite many notable scientists in Germany having been Jewish, the vast majority where still ethnic germans. The 1000s of scientists and specialists needed for late 20th century high-tech developments which in OTL where taken in post-war programs like Operation Paperclip and Osoavaikhim would still be in Germany. Scientists like Heisenberg, Döpel, Werner Von Braun, Karl Hermann Geibb, Bohr (if he didn't flee to the UK that is, not sure...), etc.. that and the fact that in OTL, "Deutsche Physik", the book which popularised the idea of "Jewish Science/Physics" lost a lot of traction midway in the war with most German scientists agreeing about the reality of quantum phenomena. Also, doesn't Germany have nukes in this TL lmao?

Oh, and just another tidbit, Germany will have lagged behind in science during the Goebbels era, just as everything else did, maybe even the concept of "Jewish science" with regards to quantum physics makes a comeback! But in the long run, the Germany of this TL will carry on, and I'm willing to bet that, they'll still be at the top in terms of tech. Germany will continue being a formidable power in the world, and that is a lot more worrying for the other world powers than a NSDAP Germany that quickly stagnates and devolves into a hermit kingdom. Anything is possible though, so we'll have to see what Kaiser writes up next!

 

[Gabingston]

This doesn't look like the face of someone willing to open up and create a democracy, does it?

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Alright, I tried to use an artificial intelligence to generate the image that looked at least a little like her parents, this is the best I've got so far.

And yes, I did this reply just to show that.

OK, putting aside who she is and what she believes, she's honestly kind of a babe.

 

[CalBear]

Did you by any chance play Hearts of Iron 4 the autism map paint simulator? The Tzarist Russian alternate path has just that: Soviet Programs simple painted white and blue and names changed, even COMECON made into "Eurasian Common Market"

DO NOT insult other members.

Kicked for a week.

 

[AG_AG]

what we know as "progressive" at best or "SJW" at worst will definitely not happen here since most progressivism, especially pro-Soviet Marxism dying out heavily in this TL... And as Yuri Bezmenov spoke about it IRL, progressive movements given steroids by Soviet-biased activists, will not happen in this timeline...

Soviet Russia's existence did ironically wonders for the western workers, since the Western countries had to treat them well out of fear of communistic ideals spreading and proving soviets right. The Iron Curtain actually helped nonsoviet average citizen's living standards, which immediately started plummeting after the curtain got down...Fear of losing power is always a motivator for the powerful. What is "problematic" here? It's a fact.

I kinda personally doubt that there would be no progressivism at all here, even if it is weakened significantly compared to OTL. How it manifests and how powerful it even is depends on how successful Smith is on that "moral crusade" of his. And on the subject of the Soviets leading to stronger protections for workers, true, but that might still happen later TTL due to the rise of China in the 60's and 70's as a major international player has has been hinted during a chapter or two.

 

[Whiteshore]

I kinda personally doubt that there would be no progressivism at all here, even if it is weakened significantly compared to OTL. How it manifests and how powerful it even is depends on how successful Smith is on that "moral crusade" of his. And on the subject of the Soviets leading to stronger protections for workers, true, but that might still happen later TTL due to the rise of China in the 60's and 70's as a major international player has has been hinted during a chapter or two.

On that note, what would be interesting would be how far-left/communist circles would view Trotsky or Bukharin ITTL? I imagine there would be quite a few in the far-left who would look at them with an attitude of "if only they had won out over Stalin", for starters.

 

[AG_AG]

On that note, what would be interesting would be how far-left/communist circles would view Trotsky or Bukharin ITTL? I imagine there would be quite a few in the far-left who would look at them with an attitude of "if only they had won out over Stalin", for starters.

Also most likely a lot more Anarcho-Communism and Liberation Theology in the Free West and Latin America as well, espeiclaly in response to all major players on the Cold War being hegemonic and at best often authoritarian states.

 

[Whiteshore]

Also most likely a lot more Anarcho-Communism and Liberation Theology in the Free West and Latin America as well, espeiclaly in response to all major players on the Cold War being hegemonic and at best often authoritarian states.

The Bordigist attitude towards the Soviet Union could be a common interpretation of the USSR in these circles as Bordiga saw the USSR as fundamentally a (state) capitalist society, especially with the restoration of the Russian Empire being viewed by them as a result of how the USSR was fundamentally still a capitalist society.

 

[mcginnis2002]

I think TTLs version of this song is "Mr. Goebbels, you're eating too high on the hog."

When the Pacific war was over Uncle Sam said, "boys go home!",
no one had to twist my arm, I came back cross the foam,
Now things are in a mess again,
The world is all agog,
Old Joe Goebbels in Germania is eating too high on the hog,

Mr. Goebbels you're eatin too high on the hog,
Mr. Goebbels quit feedin those lies to your mob,

Now, Joe, you better change your way,
Or like Hirohito you will pay,
For eating too high on the Hog

Now old Joes getting up in age,
But they say he's not so dumb,
He knows all about ships and tanks and even atom bombs,
If he keeps eatin like he is at his own discretion,
One of these days he's gonna wake up with American indigestion,

Mr. Goebbels you're eatin too high on the hog,
Mr. Goebbels quit feedin those lies to your mob,

We know that you've got armies,
And we know that they are big,
But don't forget the ham is close to the tail end of the pig,

Mr. Goebbels you're eatin too high on the hog,
Mr. Goebbels quit feedin those lies to your mob,

Now, Listen Joe,
We know that you aren't used to eatin meat,
Act your age, be yourself, stick to Ukraine wheat,

Mr. Goebbels you're eatin too high on the hog,
Mr. Goebbels quit feedin those lies to your mob,

Now we aren't huntin trouble,
But we aint never run,
Lets all live and let live, Joe,
Remember the Rising Sun?

 

[holycookie]

Also most likely a lot more Anarcho-Communism and Liberation Theology in the Free West and Latin America as well, espeiclaly in response to all major players on the Cold War being hegemonic and at best often authoritarian states.

In relation to ideological progress and Latin America, we have Mexico. A nation that is becoming a secular state. The biggest problem with social progress in Latin America is Brazil. The country, due to the papacy, success in the operation in Guyana and the strong idea of racial equality of integralism, is expanding its idealogy in the Catholic world. Peron would be a good choice to raise a progressive flag as happened in the otl. But with Argentina being in an alliance with Brazil (which is a few steps away from becoming a theocracy) he had to moderate his social reforms. Not to mention that in a certain way integralism is progressive. The world view is more Nazi, with ideas of Germanic supremacy being normal. Integralism denies this, seeing a world divided between Catholics (God's chosen ones) and the rest of the world (who, in the integralist view, deserve the chance to choose between the sword and the cross). But Catholics can be of any color or race. So integralists are well outside the ideological standard in relation to the rest of the world.

On that note, what would be interesting would be how far-left/communist circles would view Trotsky or Bukharin ITTL? I imagine there would be quite a few in the far-left who would look at them with an attitude of "if only they had won out over Stalin", for starters.

Probably the classic that Stalin wasn't a real communist and he was a bourgeois who destroyed the USSR. But the biggest problem is that these people don't have much space to talk like in otl. Perhaps the USA has room for this type of speech simply because of the idea of the right to speech. Maybe Mexico too with the wave of secularization. But other than these two we have little space to speak.

 

[AG_AG]

The biggest problem with social progress in Latin America is Brazil. The country, due to the papacy, success in the operation in Guyana and the strong idea of racial equality of integralism, is expanding its idealogy in the Catholic world. Peron would be a good choice to raise a progressive flag as happened in the otl. But with Argentina being in an alliance with Brazil (which is a few steps away from becoming a theocracy) he had to moderate his social reforms. Not to mention that in a certain way integralism is progressive.

In addition, Chile could also be another country that could be considered a secular state with progressivism and leftism at the time was Chile, and then there's a shining path in Peru. Western Bolivia could be another place where leftism might gain a foothold, while Colombia and Venezuela are more likely to be contested between Brazil and America.

Perhaps the USA has room for this type of speech simply because of the idea of the right to speech.

*Looks at Smith*

 

[holycookie]

I kinda personally doubt that there would be no progressivism at all here, even if it is weakened significantly compared to OTL.

Certain countries that can generate social progressivism. We have the USA, Mexico, Canada, Free France, Australia, India (in the future) and I think that's it. The UK would be a good choice but due to the Nazis being their neighbors the country would be too paranoid to allow this type of unrest. Uruguay would be a good choice but Brazil invaded the country. So I don't know which other country could do this anymore. The world is too hostile to allow this kind of reform.

 

[holycookie]

In addition, Chile could also be another country that could be considered a secular state with progressivism and leftism at the time was Chile,

Chile is a good choice, far from Brazil. good geography and in theory it does not have as massive an influence from the Catholic church as Argentina. The question is whether they would succeed or implode into civil war. Mexico is close enough to the USA for Brazil not to try something more drastic. Chile does not have privilege.

and then there's a shining path in Peru.

Peru perhaps, this will depend on the Catholic influence in the country and the amount of control over the church that Brazil has at the moment. But they have a worse position than Chile.

Western Bolivia could be another place where leftism might gain a foothold,

Bolivia is too weak and close to Brazil to try to do something more unusual. The last time the two countries entered into a dispute, Brazil took over an entire state of Bolivia. If they tried something they have a great chance of being invaded as happened with Uruguay.

*Looks at Smith*

I mean he is more liberal than the rest. Brazil, Germany, Russia, China, Japan. Not to mention that he could generate a liberal wave in the USA due to his ultra conservatism with a bit of luck.