I mean I can see Poland being colonized since realistically one can massively depopulate a region if you are allowed. I mean in OTL eastern Europe is still dealing with the effects of both World Wars , while China accidentally killed several million people, and even Belgium managed to kill millions by neglect and chasing profits. Germany absolutely could kill the population of Eastern Europe if they wanted to.
The Iron Eagle II - Days of Strife
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Even if the war with Russia weakens Germany considerably, I doubt the Pakt members will do much. Hungary and Romania aren't going to fight each other fully until the Reich is completely destroyed (maybe some minor skirmishes but even then it's very unlikely).
France and Italy might try to regain independence and even succeed but they have other problems to deal with, even so if Napoleon starts something in the Sahara.
Farinacci is a bit busy emulating his german idols in Ethiopia to have the chance to "break free" (not complete freedom of course, just the "freedom" that Mussolini and Almirante had). Perhaps he could 'regain' Istria and South Tyrol or recreate a sphere of influence by overthrowing Nasser or the Savoia in Croatia (if they are still there). But that is being very optimistic.
Yes most of the time. Those who can compete and win are really dangerous. Although this usually occurs because these groups are fighting at home and thus are able to use hit and run tactics.
He's almost 40 years older than her, maybe the word "couple" is a bit dubious after, well, everything.
She absolutely loathes that man only a little less than Goebbels. She’s not going to be in a relationship with a man after her last marriage. Remer also doesn’t want to be killed by cutlery.
I mean it's not as if age prevents men from having relationships with younger women. It's something quite common. The biggest problem with Klara is that she's basically the goose that lays the golden eggs.
I don't doubt she will have serious relationship problems with men in the future.
TheSpectacledCloth
Gone Fishin'
The only potential husbands that Klara might even consider are those that are opportunistic, sycophantic and have enough clout. She would be the one calling the shots.
Remer obviously wouldn't stoop that low, but I'd bet that there are plenty of other officers that would gladly play second fiddle to the daughter of their beloved Eternal Fuhrer.
But if Klara is looking for the perfect partner for a "power couple", her best odds are probably with Kaltenbrunner. Yes, he's almost a decade older than Remer and he's the very last one standing from the decimated SS. But he still has prominent name recognition (a very rare commodity after the Angriff), and has readily proven to be just enough of a bootlicker to survive all the previous purges. And while he is technically married, he definitely was not a faithful husband. His longstanding relationship with his mistress proves it as such. If Remer flames out early, Kaltenbrunner could certainly serve as a puppet Fuhrer whilst his new wife Klara would hold the real power, until she decides that he's outlived his usefulness.
There’s no way that she would willing choose Kaltenbrunner. Even if it was the most politically expedient to do, being an 18 year old who was in a terrible marriage really kills your relationships. Most of the men in her life either A. Lied to her B. Tried to exploit her C. Did not do anything to help her D. All of the above. Albert Speer was one of the few men who ever treated her kindly and even she didn’t know if he was using her. Also nothing in this implies she’s a political chess master.
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That's true, the question is whether she finds someone to protect her and she manages to get along in a relationship. Or someone will force a marriage on her again. Unfortunately, these are the two options.
Matador de Lagartos
Banned
I wonder what would ITTL Speer have done if he crushed Hoffman and managed to consolidate power against Remer: what his endgame would be? Would he really end the camps? What about Lebensraum, would he simply loose the definition to make most Slavs german? Or would he retreat?
Could he become something like a Super Gorbachev figure?
Could he become something like a Super Gorbachev figure?
The moment Speer start to give up conquered land is the moment he gets shot,not even the most moderate and pragmatic german millitary leader would tolerate giving up land.
Speer being Gorbachev ,TNO had truly given this distorted vizion of Speer as a secret reformer/ democrat.
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Nah, its not that
Its his characterization in the last chapter that presented him as a mind broken nazi who gets PSTD from everything related to the camps and his role in setting them up, which is unrelated to his portrayal in TNO if not a complete subversion of it considering how he ended here
Didn't Speer not turn into a full time reformer in TNO and the real reformers were another group that managed to make him lose power?
This. The only reason why Speer said the things he said is because he's been in a labour camp barely kept alive by the "powers that be" because some people in the wings of the Goebbels administration considered him a usefull tool if they ever needed to get rid of mister Total War. He's lost his family, and once the full weight of his actions and the powerlessness of his situation hit him he took the only agency his position left him with. Perhaps the only moral man within Germany's system of power at that specific moment in time
In regards to TNO, I'd like to note that Speer is still presented as an unrepentant Nazi, though I think they initially did want to make him the wholesome reformist who honestly wants to democratise Germany, which is utter nonsense, of course.
What doesn't make sense in vanilla TNO is that he even pretends to be anti-Nazi...and most of his backers are liberal/left-wing students who buy into his lies. Speer would present himself as the true and respectable inheritor of Hitler's legacy, the youthful, dynamic 'building master' and National Socialist technician who can get the first Führer's vision back on track, bring prosperity and save Germany from economic malaise and corruption (while being corrupt himself), not larp as a liberal, who spends most of the game being bossed around by a bunch of liberal reformists until he either purges them, gets puppeted by them or gets puppeted by poorly defined reactionaries who are led by Theodor Oberländer for some inexplicable reason (inexplicable because Oberländer was irrelevant...and yet for some reason he's president of the Reichstag and this is somehow an important post).
Plus apparently 4 wholesome Gary Stues can turn Germany democratic overnight. This is obviously absurd. Helmuth Schmidt would probably not be in politics in the first place, Kurt Georg Kiesinger was fine with the Nazis and was utterly colourless as a politician, and Ludwig Erhard literally wrote memos for the Party and the SS about how to best economically exploit occupied territories. And while Tresckow was a driving force in the resistance, he was very opposed to democracy and complicit in Nazi atrocities.
However, the present rework seems to be aiming to make things more grounded.
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Honestly all I will say is that trying to make things grounded kinda defeats the purpose of the mod. Although I will also say transforming a Grand Strategy into a visual novel is also something that I find absurd. Finally I really do not like the influence that TNO has had in the Alternate History community/HoI community but this is going to far from the timeline so I will stop saying anything else.
It would at least avoid some of the memes but honestly it seems like TNO is popular because the memes and due to its perceived politics since I doubt a lot of people have actually played the Mod with most being secondaries.