I'd bet on republic honestly but maybe a rump Sultan could be useful to the allies like with Japan?Would South Turkey be a Sultanate or a Republic?
I'd think Armenia would have the coast not the Russians. Or is it host to the Pontic Greeks? Even then I'd think they would prefer being part of someone else for protection (that's not Russia).To celebrate the new chapter and the soviet push into Turkey, I made a new potential map proposal! Complete with potential capitals!
View attachment 703323
Complete with a Socialist People's Republic of Northern Turkey, slight adjustments to the Greek borders, and what is surely not a flashpoint at the Kurdish/Syrian/North-South Turkish border!
Surely, surely, this map will guarantee a fair and long-lasting peace in the middle east for at least the next five minutes!
I have fun with map-painting alright? I did have fun researching potential Kurdish and South Turkish capitals too.
That's Georgia, and I vaguely based it on Sphenodon's claims map way back on pg 31. Pontic Greeks got pop-transfered I think.I'd think Armenia would have the coast not the Russians. Or is it host to the Pontic Greeks? Even then I'd think the
I doubt there are enough Assyrians for an Assyria that big, i will give kirkuk and Erbil to Kurdistan but I doubt that Assyrian state would be very viable without significant support from a superpower, surrounded by enemies in all sides.To celebrate the new chapter and the soviet push into Turkey, I made a new potential map proposal! Complete with potential capitals!
View attachment 703323
Complete with a Socialist People's Republic of Northern Turkey, slight adjustments to the Greek borders, and what is surely not a flashpoint at the Kurdish/Syrian/North-South Turkish border!
Surely, surely, this map will guarantee a fair and long-lasting peace in the middle east for at least the next five minutes!
I have fun with map-painting alright? I did have fun researching potential Kurdish and South Turkish capitals too.
I mostly agree actually. I kinda figured this would be a map for right after the war. Whether Assyria would be able to hold everything given on paper well... I was rather sarcastic about the whole 'lasting peace' thing.I doubt there are enough Assyrians for an Assyria that big, i will give kirkuk and Erbil to Kurfistan but I doubt that Assyrian state would be very viable without significant support from a superpower, surrounded by enemies in all sides.
Ah. Welp I thought that Armenia should get some coastline since it should. Will there be significant calls to unite Armenia and Georgia?That's Georgia, and I vaguely based it on Sphenodon's claims map way back on pg 31. Pontic Greeks got pop-transfered I think.
Anatolia is pretty hilly/mountainous so one could say it's mostly natural barriers. I kinda figured it might be around where the Soviets might potentially push too as well.Ah. Welp I thought that Armenia should get some coastline since it should. Will there be significant calls to unite Armenia and Georgia?
Also I sent out the response before I wanted to so the bulk of the response is after the edit.
Atso the borders of the two Turkeys don't seem natural. Are there any natural barriers in Anatolia?
Hmm. I guess? Idk but I'd think it'd be more of a North South split. Would make sense that that border quickly falls apart tho.Anatolia is pretty hilly/mountainous so one could say it's mostly natural barriers. I kinda figured it might be around where the Soviets might potentially push too as well.
I'd think that Georgia would try to influence Armenia after the cold war (they should get into NATO too like otl) since it is much more powerful and Turkey is less of a thing. Since Georgia has more influence (and would not discriminate against Armenians) I'd think Armenia would get into NATO to be protected and gain a better economy. That should predispose Armenia to want to be part of Georgia.Also, I know coasts are important but I don't see that big of a Kurdistan being easy, they'd have to be given or take an awful of land which others in the region might not let happen. I dont see Georgia and Armenia uniting for coastal access either, they didn't in otl and here they're both still Soviet puppets. That goes for my map and my bet for the timeline in general, but only Lascaris knows what will happen.
Some countries just end up unhappily landlocked.
That is if the Arabs (Iraq could shrink even more with Kuwait expanding taking Iraq coastline) are on a united front regarding the matter and Iran/Soviets aren’t meddling to keep the states on their borders weak and divided. Assyria state would be pretty useful in counterbalancing the Kurds and Arabs.On the other hand give Tur abdin to Assyria, idk if this one is feasible since probably a lot of them left this place during the genocide. Also I feel like the borders for Assyria is also way too south...the Arabs also wont take losing Mosul well.
The second Spanish civil war had begun...
Further to the north Rize, Rizounta to the Greeks, would fall to the Soviets the next day.
I'd think Armenia would have the coast not the Russians. Or is it host to the Pontic Greeks? Even then I'd think they would prefer being part of someone else for protection (that's not Russia).
And the Hemshin (being Muslim Armenians) might be used to justify such a move to give the Armenian SSR access to the sea.The Armenian SSR might find an outlet to the sea at Trabzon. I think in the internal soviet politics the Armenians will be considered as a loyal socialist people that produced the first victories against the invaders. Stalin might want to reward their wartime behavior.
I'd think the Georgians will get some land from Turkey, but the majority of the Pontic region that the USSR annexed (at least Trabzon) should be given to the Armenians. The USSR isn't adverse to population movements anyways so I don't really see a problem in that (in ittl's logic anyway). With the Caucasus countries gaining much more land from Anatolia and the middle East should shake things up quite a lot.The Armenian SSR might find an outlet to the sea at Trabzon. I think in the internal soviet politics the Armenians will be considered as a loyal socialist people that produced the first victories against the invaders. Stalin might want to reward their wartime behavior.
And Hell freezes over. Seriously, thats as likely as a Serb/Croat union. No Armenian is going to even contemplate it, the Caucasus's are as bad as the Balkans in that reguard.That should predispose Armenia to want to be part of Georgia.
Sure? I still think Armenia getting part of the Pontic region for some coast would be great for them though.And Hell freezes over. Seriously, thats as likely as a Serb/Croat union. No Armenian is going to even contemplate it, the Caucasus's are as bad as the Balkans in that reguard.
Very, just look at the problems Georgia has with its own minorities ( admittly the Russians are fanning the flames but the embers had to be present ), As for the coast some areas did have Armenian populations pre 1914 , unfortuatly they got purged during the Armenian Genicide. OTL this is what was proposed in 1920 ( image via google )Sure? I still think Armenia getting part of the Pontic region for some coast would be great for them though.
He could ship Ethnic Russians to "help" repopulate western Armenia(especially along the black sea if it gets sea access) in case of population exchanges with Turkey. So instead of a Kaliningrad we have a Northern Kazakhstan situation.There’s another option for the Russian Pontic coast post-war, one that seems fairly likely to me: ethnic Russians get shipped in and it becomes a southern Kaliningrad. There aren’t all that many Armenians left—not enough to fully repopulate a huge swath of empty, valuable Black Sea land, especially if they have to repopulate the Lake Van area instead. I suppose Stalin being Georgian might be open to making the coast an expansion of the Georgian SSR instead, but given the Kaliningrad parallels I think Russian imports to ensure loyalty is likely.