Margaret, Queen of Scotland and Norway, Queen consort of England (1283-1354)

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As far as i remember from reading it jusr now they were never married in the first place because ingeborg has spendt most of her life with her sister at the scottish and english courts. Great TL by the way:D

Ah yes, the Norwegian Household means this Ingeborg would not have been betrothed to the other Magnusson.
That clears that up.

Hmm, I suspect Valdemar Magnusson might have a successful marriage (probably to one of the Pomeranian women) and a son who'll get to replace Magnus Erikson when he screws up with the backing of Margaret for Norway.
 
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I made some corrections in the post THE REGENCY (PART 3) about the rejection of Clementia of Hungary and the chose of Ingeborg of Norway as consort of Louis X...please read it again and thanks!!!!:eek::);):p:cool:
 
THE REGENCY (PART 5)

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Extract from the Chroniques of Jean Froissart, who showed the wedding of Edward, Prince of Wales and Princess Isabella of France. King Edward II and Queen Margaret are showed next to their son.

The year 1316 was an eventful one for the French and English monarchies:

On 19 March 1316, two days after his 14th birthday, Edward, Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester, finally married with his long-time betrothed Princess Isabella of France. The ceremony, who took place at Westminster Abbey, was a magnificent and lavish event, attended by the whole court, Lords of the Kingdom and members of the Parliament. The King ("dressed in gold and purple", according to Florence of Worcester) escorted his future daughter-in-law to the altar, while the heavily pregnant Queen-Regent ("also dressed with fine silk and a large train with precious gems and a veil with a golden crown who showed the arms of Scotland, England and Norway", according to Worcester) accompanied her son, being followed by the royal children. The wedding was officed by the Primates of the English and French churches, Walter Reynolds, Archbishop of Canterbury and Robert of Courtenay-Champignelles, Archbishop of Reims (especially send by King Louis X for his sister's wedding).

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Ingeborg of Norway, Queen consort of France, gave birth a son on 16 April 1316 at the Château de Vincennes, the favorite residence of her husband King Louis X. One month later, on 20 May, the new heir of the French throne, named Philip after his later grandfather King Philip IV, was baptized in an opulent ceremony at the Chapel of the Château, with the Queen-Regent Margaret and King Edward II of England as his godparents; however, because they weren't physically present in the ceremony, the Count of Poitiers (Louis X's second brother) and his recently rehabilitated wife Jeanne, Countess Palatine of Burgundy (eldest daughter and heiress of Mahaut, Countess of Artois) acted as proxies.

Robert III of Artois -who recently returned from his long stay at the English court, where he received the Honour and Barony of Monmouth by Royal Ordinance dated 1 January 1316 for his "loyalty and proximity in blood with the King"- took the distinction to carry the infant prince in the baptismal font, an event who caused an scandal because Countess Mahaut, as the senior female holder of a Pairie de France, had this right. However, was Queen Ingeborg who reportedly refused to allowed that this méchante femme (wicked woman) -as she called her- could be near her son.

Almost inmediately after her arrival to France and marriage, Queen Ingeborg began an strong campaign in favor of Robert III of Artois and his restoration of his paternal inheritance. Firstly, King Louis X (who quickly became under the complete influence of his consort) confirmed Robert III with the Lordships of Conches-en-Ouche, Domfront, and Mehun-sur-Yèvre (inheritance of his paternal grandmother Amicie de Courtenay) by Royal Decree dated 21 September 1315.

Countess Mahaut tried to reverse the Queen's animosity against her, but when she failed in this, began to poison the mind of her son-in-law the Count of Poitiers, trying to put him against his brother the King because "he was ready to take his future inheritance from him" (the Artois), and also approached to Odo IV, Duke of Burgundy, one of the leading feudal lords of the Kingdom of France and whose betrothal with Princess Jeanne of Poitiers (Mahaut's eldest granddaughter and second-in-line to inherited both the Franche-Comté and the Artois) was already negociated.

However, Queen Ingeborg unexpectedly gained both Duke Odo IV and his powerful mother Agnes of France to her side on mid-February 1316, when she convinced the King to officially recognized Jeanne of Navarre (daughter of Louis X's first wife Marguerite of Burgundy -sister of Odo IV and daughter of Agnes- and whose legitimacy became dubious after the Tour de Nesle Affair) as his daughter, granting her the title of "Princess and First Daughter of France" (Princesse et Première Fille de France), with rights of succession over France and Navarre after any future male or female offspring born from Louis X's second marriage and before any descendants of the Counts of Poitiers and La Marche; in addition, the Queen took her step-daughter to be raised in her Household.

Odo IV, strongly influenced by his mother (who adored her granddaughter and wanted that her rights as Princess of France could be recognized) finally broke his negociations for the hand of Jeanne of Poitiers and officially celebrated his betrothal with Marie de Châtillon-St.Pol, a sister-in-law of Count Charles of Valois on 14 March 1316, with the marriage being celebrated at the Château de Vincennes on 24 May, as a part of the celebrations for the baptism of Prince Philip.

The alliance Ingeborg-Charles of Valois-Odo IV was a serious threat for Mahaut, and she was forced to enter in negociations with the King and her nephew Robert III in order to save the Artois for her descent.

Three days after the marriage of Odo IV, on 27 May 1316, was signed the betrothal between Robert III of Artois and Princess Jeanne of Poitiers; in the marriage contract was stipulated that the Artois would be inherited by Mahaut's daughter and son-in-law, and after their deaths, by her granddaughter, who in addition with the Franche-Comté, could be gave to her husband this lands as a dowry. Thus, although he probably could expect several years to finally inherited, Robert III could become in Count Palatine of Burgundy and Count of Artois jure uxoris. The wedding, scheduled once the Papal dispensation arrived (because Robert III and Jeanne of Poitiers are first cousins once removed), took place on 29 August 1316 at the Priory of Saint-Cloud, near Paris, with the attendance of the whole court, Queen Ingeborg and King Louis X (who in early June suffered a sudden and "misteriously" attack of fever, from whom he barely recovered; contemporary chroniclers believed that Mahaut, in order to stopped the wedding, poisoned the King without success).

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On 24 June 1316 at Windsor Castle, the Queen-Regent gave birth her sixth child and third daughter, named Joan after the King's late and favorite sister, Princess Joan of England, Countess of Gloucester and Herford. The baptism was celebrated two months later, at the Royal Chapel of Windsor in a private ceremony, with Gilbert de Clare, 8th Earl of Gloucester and his wife Matilda de Burgh acting as godparents.

Less than one month later, on 19 July 1316 at the Great Hall of Westminster Palace, the Queen-Regent officially renounced to the Regency of the Kingdom on behalf of her son the Prince of Wales, now married and with the legal age to take the government. The Council of Regency, leaded by the Prince of Wales, was formed by the Earls of Lancaster, Gloucester and Warwick, all strong partisans of Queen Margaret. King Edward II, who

"....after his disastrous affair with the Gascon Piers suffered from bouts of melancholy and seclusion who lasted several days....wanted to be release from the burden of the government and court activities to had a quiet life at his beloved Windsor." (Continuator of Florence of Worcester)

legitimized his son's Regency with his personal Seal. The Prince and Princess of Wales settled their residence at Eltham Palace; some months later, on mid-October 1316, Isabella announced her first pregnancy.


TO BE CONTINUED.....
 
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Alexander III of Scotland (b.1241: d.1284) m. Margaret of England (b.1240: d.1275) (a), Yolande de Dreux, Countess of Montfort (b.1263: d.1322) (b)
1a) Margaret of Scotland (b.1261: d.1283) m. Eric II of Norway (b.1260: d. 1299) (a)
1a) Margaret I, Queen of Scots (b.1283) m. Edward II of England (b.1284) (a)
1a) Edward, Prince of Scotland, Wales and Earl of Chester (b.1302) m. Isabella of France (b.1295) (a)

2a) Eleanor of Scotland and England (b.1303)

3a) Alexander of Scotland and England (b.1304)

4a) Eric of Scotland and England (b.1310)

5a) Margaret of Scotland and England (b.1314)

6a) Joan of Scotland and England (b.1316)​
2a) Alexander, Prince of Scotland (b.1264: d.1284) m. Margaret of Flanders (c.1260: d.1331)

3a) David of Scotland (b.1272: d.1281)

4b) Stillborn Child (c.1286)
 
What will the fate of OTL wife of Robert d'Artois be? I know Charles de Valois tried to make an English match for one of his daughters... and Alexander of Scotland&England is not engaged to anyone yet AFAIR.
 
THE KING IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE KING!

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Extracts from the Chroniques of Jean Froissart, who showed Edward III and Isabella's coronation.

Isabella, Princess of Wales, gave birth her first child, a daughter, on 18 April 1317 at Eltham Palace. The born of the first royal grandchild was widely celebrated in the Kingdoms of England and Scotland with masses, parades and justs.

The Queen and King were present during their daughter-in-law's chidlbirth: according to Florence of Worcester, Edward II "fainted at the sight of the newborn" while Margaret "showed a moderate joy for the event, because she wanted the birth of a prince for the English and the Scottish".

The princess, who received the name of Margaret in honor of her paternal grandmother the Queen, was baptized in a lavish ceremony at the Royal Chapel of Windsor Castle five months later, on 25 September 1318, with King Louis X and Queen Ingeborg of France as her godparents; however, because they weren't physically present in the ceremony, Thomas of Lancaster and his wife Alice of Lacy acted as proxies.

The unusual delay in the princess' baptism was due probably because King Edward II's delicate mental health (who for this reason was absent from the ceremony): by mid-June 1318 his attacks of melancholy worsened, spending several days locked in his rooms without eating or bathing, reportedly

"....screaming the name of the Gascon Piers and also talking with his dead parents and siblings, sobbing uncontrollably and laughing loudly at the same time." (Continuator of Florence of Worcester).

Finally, on the night of 10-11 October 1318, Edward II suffered a violent stroke who leave him blind and paralyzed. The royal physicians were unable to found a cure for him; the Queen, desperated at the sight of her husband, ordened to the King's servants to force him to eat, but without success.

After two months in this condition, the King died in his sleep of "complete exhaustion and starvation" (according to contemporary accounts) at his rooms on Windsor Castle on 16 December 1318 aged 34. Modern historians, after a careful study of his symptoms during his last years, believed that Edward II died as a result of a brain aneurysm, a disease unknown at that time.

The King's remains laid in state at the Royal Chapel of Windsor Castle during one week, with the arms of England and Scotland over his coffin, where he received the respects of the whole court. Margaret, now Dowager Queen, dressed in complete white (the color of deepest mourning among medieval European queens) was seated in a throne next to her husband, with her face covered by a veil.

At the end of the week, the royal cortege, with the Dowager Queen at the head, parted to Westminster Abbey in London, where the Prince and Princess of Wales, dressed in purple as a sign of mourning, waited with their Households and the representants of both the English Parliament and the Scottish Guardians. A second ceremony of lying in state took place at the entry of the Royal Vault for a couple of hours, after which the Earls and Lords of the Kingdom carried the coffin inside to be buried in the designated place, following Edward II's desire, next to his parents King Edward I and Queen Eleanor of Castile.

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Two months later, on 19 February 1319, King Edward III and Queen Isabella were crowned at Westminster Abbey in a magnificent ceremony, where both "wore fine silk and golden robes with large trains incrustated with gems". As a part of the ceremony, the new monarch swored to respect the "rights and privileges of the nobles of the Kingdom".

A bone of contention, however, was the situation over the Kingdom of Scotland: while the Lords and members of the Parliament believed that Edward III must be also be crowned as King of Scotland, the Dowager Queen, supported by the representants of the Guardians, completely refused, because under the terms of the Treaty of Salisbury of 1290 and her marriage contract, the union of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland was only personal, and in the case that Edward II predeceased Margaret, she could remained as sole Sovereign Queen of Scotland alone, with the rights of inheritance over her descent.

The situation became more strained between mother and son when the Dowager Queen claimed her dower lands following custom (Berkhamsted, Durham and Marlborough Castles with their royal boroughs attached to it) and a jointure equivalent to 1/3 of the royal treasure.

Negociations between both sides are still under way when 26 May 1319 arrived to both England and Scotland the news of the death of King Haakon V of Norway (Margaret's paternal uncle), who took place on 8 May. Leaving their disputes for a moment, Margaret and Edward III began their fight for the Norwegian throne.


TO BE CONTINUED.....
 
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Who will marry Eleanor of England, the daughter of Edward II and Margaret...she seems to be best fit for a imperial or French marriage..perhaps we can make her marry to the Portuguese or the French but what are her choices..
 
Alexander III of Scotland (b.1241: d.1284) m. Margaret of England (b.1240: d.1275) (a), Yolande de Dreux, Countess of Montfort (b.1263: d.1322) (b)
1a) Margaret of Scotland (b.1261: d.1283) m. Eric II of Norway (b.1260: d. 1299) (a)
1a) Margaret I, Queen of Scots (b.1283) m. Edward II of England (b.1284: d.1518) (a)
1a) Edward, III of England and Prince of Scotland (b.1302) m. Isabella of France (b.1295) (a)

1a) Margaret of England (b.1317)​

2a) Eleanor of Scotland and England (b.1303)

3a) Alexander of Scotland and England (b.1304)

4a) Eric of Scotland and England (b.1310)

5a) Margaret of Scotland and England (b.1314)

6a) Joan of Scotland and England (b.1316)​
2a) Alexander, Prince of Scotland (b.1264: d.1284) m. Margaret of Flanders (c.1260: d.1331)

3a) David of Scotland (b.1272: d.1281)

4b) Stillborn Child (c.1286)
 
Alexander III of Scotland (b.1241: d.1284) m. Margaret of England (b.1240: d.1275) (a), Yolande de Dreux, Countess of Montfort (b.1263: d.1322) (b)
1a) Margaret of Scotland (b.1261: d.1283) m. Eric II of Norway (b.1260: d. 1299) (a)
1a) Margaret I, Queen of Scots (b.1283) m. Edward II of England (b.1284: d.1518) (a)
1a) Edward, III of England and Prince of Scotland (b.1302) m. Isabella of France (b.1295) (a)

1a) Margaret of England (b.1317)​

2a) Eleanor of Scotland and England (b.1303)

3a) Alexander of Scotland and England (b.1304)

4a) Eric of Scotland and England (b.1310)

5a) Margaret of Scotland and England (b.1314)

6a) Joan of Scotland and England (b.1316)​
2a) Alexander, Prince of Scotland (b.1264: d.1284) m. Margaret of Flanders (c.1260: d.1331)

3a) David of Scotland (b.1272: d.1281)

4b) Stillborn Child (c.1286)
Shouldn't you show the Norwegian version of the family rather than the Scottish one?It's more relevant since most of the Norwegian royal family members are still alive.
 
Shouldn't you show the Norwegian version of the family rather than the Scottish one?It's more relevant since most of the Norwegian royal family members are still alive.

TBH it's only just become relevant with the death of Haakon. Kynan was updating in light of Isabella's giving birth*


* as an aside we must have a better word for it in English somewhere!
 
TBH it's only just become relevant with the death of Haakon. Kynan was updating in light of Isabella's giving birth*


* as an aside we must have a better word for it in English somewhere!

The Norwegian side was always more important.By all means,all of Margaret's Scottish relations were dead by the start of the story.Besides,family trees usually trace the paternal side.
 
The Norwegian side was always more important.By all means,all of Margaret's Scottish relations were dead by the start of the story.Besides,family trees usually trace the paternal side.

But he's showing the Scottish Line with the heirs to Alexander III so I'm confused why he should show the Norwegians instead of the Scots.
Later he can add this in when he's showing the Norwegian Line.
 
I know the point of TTL is to keep the union between England and Scotland intact, but I can just as easily see a partition (peacefully or otherwise) between Margaret's sons. England going to Edward III, Scotland to Alexander and Norway to Eric.
 
I know the point of TTL is to keep the union between England and Scotland intact, but I can just as easily see a partition (peacefully or otherwise) between Margaret's sons. England going to Edward III, Scotland to Alexander and Norway to Eric.

I'm assuming that's the plan but that it may be derailed.
The title of this TL only says that Margaret is Q of Scotland & Norway not that her firstborn is also ;)
 
I know the point of TTL is to keep the union between England and Scotland intact, but I can just as easily see a partition (peacefully or otherwise) between Margaret's sons. England going to Edward III, Scotland to Alexander and Norway to Eric.
I can reasonably see Norway going to a younger son given the distance(the throne's also elective),but no way is Scotland getting loose.The day Margaret kicks the bucket is the day Eddie invades Scotland.Dude is already trying to get Scotland during her lifetime,he definitely will do so when she's dead.
 
Tell me if I missed anything :)

Magnus VI of Norway (b.1238: d.1280) m. Ingeborg of Denmark (b.1244: d.1287) (a)

1a) Eric II of Norway (b.1268: d.1299) m. Margaret of Scotland (b.1261: d.1283) (a), Isabel Bruce (b.1272) (b)

1a) Margaret I, Queen of Scotland m. Edward II of England (b.1284: d.1318) (a)

1a) Edward III of England, Prince of Scotland (b.1302) m. Isabella of France (b.1295) (a)

1a) Margaret of England (b.1317)​

2a) Eleanor of Scotland and England (b.1303)

3a) Alexander of Scotland and England (b.1304)

4a) Eric of Scotland and England (b.1310)

5a) Margaret of Scotland and England (b.1314)

6a) Joan of Scotland and England (b.1316)​

2b) Ingeborg Eiriksdatter of Norway (b.1297) m. Louis X of France (b.1289) (a)

1a) Philip of France (b.1316)​

2a) Haakon V of Norway (b.1270: d.1318) m. Euphemia of Rügen (b.1280: d.1312) (a), p. Various Women (b)

1b) Agnes Haakonsdatter (b.1290) m. Baron Havtore Jonsson (b.1275) (a)

1a) Jon Havtoresson (b.1312)

2a) Sigurd Havtoresson (b.1315)​

2a) Ingeborg Håkansdotter of Norway (b.1301) m. Eric, Duke of Södermanland (b.1282: d.1318) (a)

1a) Magnus Eriksson of Södermanland (b.1316)

2a) Euphemia Eriksdotter of Södermanland (b.1317)​
 
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Ingeborg is a name of the queen of France before, she took the name Isambour..Ingeborg is not a good name for a queen..even Richeza, a queen of poland who is contemporary to Queen Margaret changed her name to Elizabeth..
 
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