Malê Rising

Favorite single moment? Oh, there are so many, and people keep naming several that I treasure.

I can't say for sure it is my very favorite of all, but I will name what was the very first that convinced me this TL was special and going really great places:

Installment #3
Which is named in the list of canon posts "Paulo Abacar in the aftermath of the conquest of Sokoto" but is really all about his marriage to Aisha.

This is when I learned such a thing as the institution of the jajis ever existed. This is how I learned what the Sokoto Caliphate was all about.

Got your progressive Islam right here, pal! It's taught and spread by women. And up to a point, historical in OTL.

That was back on the first page of the TL.

Much later, we have the first human beings in space, and their character and composition speaks volumes about the alternate world. Again I don't want to call it my favorite because of the majesty of many before and after...but I will say it was the first that came to my mind when asked.
 
Thanks for all the shared memories, which are bringing back a lot of mine.

Theodore Roosevelt schooling Woodrow Wilson was pretty awesome.

I remember feeling a little guilty about that one - but on the other hand, it was fun to write, and TTL would have brought out the absolute worst in Wilson.

... unlike many "better worlds" I've seen here, Male Rising was more than simply better results from a similar system -- it rewrote the modern world entirely.

This was one of the things that I didn't have in mind at the beginning, but became clear as the story progressed. Our modernity is the product of certain events and ideologies, and if those change, then so does the modern global system. And the ways modernity would change ITTL became clearer as I realized who would be shaping it... and as I learned how late a development Westphalian statehood really was in much of the world.

I also enjoyed the mention of In taberna quando sumus and the death of Ibrahim Abacar.

There's nothing that says "1930s German empire" like hippies in Central Africa reciting the Carmina Burana.

And Ibrahim, yes. A million may be a statistic, but every one of them is a tragedy.

And the poor wandering Hungarian finally realising he's found a home.

Bet you've never seen the Jews in Uganda trope done quite that way. :p

I'm actually re-reading TTL from the start, so I'm rediscovering a lot of wonderful moments as I go, but I think for me it's a choice between that glorious literary excerpt which gave birth to the Mutanda-verse and George V's speech on his India visit. The former because it is the absolute high point of a work rich in literary goodness, and the latter because it encapsulates perfectly what you said earlier about people listening to their better natures.

The Stars That Bore Us has been a continuing inspiration, and in general, the literary excerpts have been fun to write. (They're also one reason why the Malêverse would need considerable editing if I ever decide to publish it - I doubt I could get away with the three Flashman parodies in a commercial format.)

"Let the slavers know fear" and the Muslim civil rights hymn in the first couple updates still give me chills, but my favourite piece of this timeline is still the marriage under fire at the siege of Sarajevo. Human decency and happiness amidst brutality hits all the spots for me.

I hadn't planned to write more than the one scene with Merjema, but that wedding begged to be written.

By 2015, BTW, the place where it happened is one of the spots that tour guides always point out.

I loved the way you created so many memorable and empathy inducing characters whose personality was so distinct from one another. That, and the redeemed villians.

Redeemed villains... Felton? Köhler? Franz Joseph, even? I can think of a few more who might straddle the line, along with others unredeemed.

My favorite moment? Probably the Longstreets and the Tubmans working together fight racism.

Longstreet did some of that even IOTL, but here, of course, he could do more than just fight a rearguard action. And the Tubman arc certainly ended up becoming one of my favorites.

One of the morals of the story, I would venture to guess at, is something like: good ideas cause people to do good things which inspire new, better ideas to begin the cycle again. Progress is a pump that must be primed, whether by Great People or the inspired masses, or it simply doesn't happen.

I'll join Falecius in hitting the "like" button for this. Civilization requires maintenance.

I can't say for sure it is my very favorite of all, but I will name what was the very first that convinced me this TL was special and going really great places:

Installment #3
Which is named in the list of canon posts "Paulo Abacar in the aftermath of the conquest of Sokoto" but is really all about his marriage to Aisha.

That one was a very formative moment in the story. TTL was, from the beginning, going to be about a revolutionary Afro-Brazilian state in West Africa, but my original idea was for Abacar to totally overwrite the Sokoto Caliphate. That changed when I did my homework and learned that Usman dan Fodio and his daughter had already taken Sahelian Islam in many of the directions Abacar would need it to go, and that the Caliphate was a foundation rather than an obstacle. That turned Aisha and the Nana Asma'u from footnotes into major characters, opened the door to Belloism, and paved the way for what Sarah Child would call "those annoying Abacar women": Sarah herself, Adeseye, Funmi, Mélisande, and ultimately Laila.

It would have been interesting if the first generation could have met Laila. Ideas can produce some very unintended consequences.
 
It would have been interesting if the first generation could have met Laila. Ideas can produce some very unintended consequences.

That was probably my favorite single moment - Laila's silent joke about how "God does allow four", hearkening back to Paolo's only half-serious lament about being allowed only four. How times change... Especially given that Laila actually got what she wanted.

I also really enjoyed the whole Indian War of Independence arc, especially *Teddy Roosevelt taking the piss out of *Wilson and the first meeting of Ujjal and Sarah.
And the alternate archaeology was a delight, of course.
 

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Redeemed villains... Felton? Köhler? Franz Joseph, even? I can think of a few more who might straddle the line, along with others unredeemed.

Felton is at the top of my personal favorites- along with Kipling. Not exactly a villian but you know what I mean. Tippu Tip as well, though I frankly found his redemption least convincing.

I've always thought of FJ as more as a tragic figure than a villian. "He did the best he could to keep things together" is probably the epiphet I would place on his gravestone.
 
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The Sandman

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I think my favorite moments were the ones where there were academic or narrative posts. :)

Still rereading the timeline, but while I'm sad to see it end I'm also looking forward to whatever comes next.
 
It's always sad when a good story ends, but eventually the end has to come. There are many things that I want to say, and I don't know where to begin, so I'll keep it simple: thank you, Jonathan, for having written such a magnificent TL, and good luck for all of your next projects.
 
I also really enjoyed the whole Indian War of Independence arc, especially *Teddy Roosevelt taking the piss out of *Wilson and the first meeting of Ujjal and Sarah.

Now that you mention it, the Indian War of Independence arc is as coherent a story as the Great War, and most of it is told through a few continuing characters. It might make a decent ebook if expanded, although there's an enormous amount of back-story that would have to be worked into it somehow.

The founding of Sokoto - say, those parts of TTL from 1840 to about 1854 - is also a fairly localized and coherent narrative, and might be adapted. For instance, I could tell it all from the point of view of members of the Abacar family and other Malê rather than alternate between academic updates and narratives, or I could save a couple of the academic updates as endpapers.

No promises, of course, and any such projects would be well in the future, but I'll put the ideas out there.

(And Ujjal and Sarah's meeting was one of my favorites too.)

Felton is at the top of my personal favorites- along with Kipling. Not exactly a villian but you know what I mean. Tippu Tip as well, though I frankly found his redemption least convincing.

Tippu Tip's arc ITTL involved him having a different life path from early on, due to the changed political environment, and thus never undertaking his OTL villainy in the first place. I'll freely admit that the Rule of Cool played a large part, though, especially when it came to his religious inspiration. It wasn't exactly the most probable life path for him, but I wanted to tell a story.

I'd thought of Kipling, but then I said "no, he's not a villain." I do see what you mean though. Seeing empire without the mask can be a profound shock to someone with his assumptions and ideals, and he's always struck me as the kind of person who'd be honest enough to question his assumptions (as he did with WW1 IOTL after his son's death) rather than retreating into them.

I've always thought of FJ as more as a tragic figure than a villian. "He did the best he could to keep things together" is probably the epiphet I would place on his gravestone.

And doubly tragic when he's one of the reasons why things are falling apart.

Thanks again to everyone.
 
Wow, I really don't know what to say but thank you very much JE.... This is an amazing timeline. :) I also wish you the best in your next projects and I do hope that you can continue your timeline about the far future of humanity at the edges of the end-time of the universe. I am amazed of that one, really. I am thinking of further expanding Philippine history within the Maleverse. I'll just PM you if I am ready to explore this. :)

Good luck and thank you again.
 
What a sad time; I hope I won't be the only one to say that I'm eager to see if you've got anything else planned next. :)
 
It may be just because this community is kind of weird, but I always think people would enjoy the academic sections as much as the narrative ones. They have so much beauty in their own way - plot-driven, so to speak, rather than character-driven.

The Flashman excerpts were also all excellent and occasionally very funny.

Cheers,
Ganesha
 
I only had the fortune of reading this at the midway point of last year. I am truly sad to see this finish. I don't think there has been more than a day I have checked on this forum and not seen this TL on the first page. Seeing this TL go, is feeling a lot like saying good bye to a good friend.

Do you have any advice for any of the novices here who would hope to one day write a TL like this?
 
Wow, I really don't know what to say but thank you very much JE.... This is an amazing timeline. :) I also wish you the best in your next projects and I do hope that you can continue your timeline about the far future of humanity at the edges of the end-time of the universe. I am amazed of that one, really. I am thinking of further expanding Philippine history within the Maleverse. I'll just PM you if I am ready to explore this. :)

Thanks, and I'd love to hear any of your ideas! Did you catch the scene in the second-to-last update (post 6887) with the Filipino songwriter in Micronesia?

What a sad time; I hope I won't be the only one to say that I'm eager to see if you've got anything else planned next. :)

It may be just because this community is kind of weird, but I always think people would enjoy the academic sections as much as the narrative ones. They have so much beauty in their own way - plot-driven, so to speak, rather than character-driven.

The Flashman excerpts were also all excellent and occasionally very funny.

I think the community here enjoys timelines, which are a genre different from novels. There are many comparisons of AH on this site to commercial AH, and I think they sometimes lose sight of the fact that timelines have become a genre of their own, developed to suit a particular forum and a particular style of presentation. A mixed academic-narrative format suits that style perfectly (as do other formats), and the people who gravitate here are the ones who enjoy reading and writing that kind of story.

If I want to publish anything set in the Malêverse, then I'll have to think in terms of a story suitable for print format rather than one that developed specifically for online message boards. I'm not sure the academic updates would work for that audience, except as appendices or chapter endpapers. I do have some ideas for a published Malêverse work, and would certainly welcome any thoughts on the planning thread although I can't make any promises as to when or even if it will come out.

Also, for those who may be interested in what I'm working on now, I've written an Austronesian fantasy story, and comment is welcome as always.

Do you have any advice for any of the novices here who would hope to one day write a TL like this?

I think my number one piece of advice would be to think about the scope of the timeline beforehand. If the story will eventually encompass the whole world, then you'll have to build an alternative world which is as complex and interdependent as ours. Even if the story is confined to one country or region, no place is entirely master of its own fate, so you still need to consider larger geopolitical trends.

Second, not all the factors that affect history are obvious. Plotting out a timeline on this scale requires consideration of economics, environmental factors, population growth and movement, cultural evolution, and changes in the norms of international relations. Also, history isn't just leaders - mass politics and bottom-up movements play a part even in traditional societies.

And third, make sure you do your research, but many others have said that.
 
GUEST POST French political history, PART ONE : Napoléon IV's era - 1887 election

I know it's a bit late to end what I begun a year ago, but personal problems prevented me from achieving the task in time.
I've recently restarted my work on French political history in Malêverse, but if you shall wait a 'little' for other parts, I'm just finishing the electoral infoboxes of the PART ONE, beginning tonight with the 1887 elections. I did think of publishing all of part one's boxes at once, but I just realized how big this first one was.
Other would follow this weekend for 1872,1877, 1881 and 1883.

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PCD : Parti Conservateur Démocrate
PNC : Parti National Conservateur
UPF : Union Populaire Française
PLI : Parti Libéral Indépendant
US : Union Socialiste
UPC : Union Populaire Chrétienne
PR : Parti Républicain
PAS : Parti de l'Avenir Socialiste
PRT : Parti Radical des Travailleurs​


PS: I'm also preparing a science update, with the story of computers and the Internet...

PPS: Special thanks to JE for his interest and support in my work.
 
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Nice. Makes me really happy to see more Malê Rising stuff, since I read through the whole thing starting right after it ended. Very good timeline, very interesting read.
 
I've posted a short Malêverse story in the Writer's Forum; I can't post it here because I've submitted it elsewhere, but please don't hesitate to post reactions here if any.

Also, since I haven't been on the forum much lately, I've neglected to thank galileo-034 for his contribution on French political history, which is highly appreciated.
 
what the Caribbean like in this time line and also canda

Both of them are long stories. Here's a list that links to all the updates - if you look for those that mention the Caribbean or that include the words "Afro-Atlantic" or "Afro-Atlantism," you'll find the ones that tell the story of that area . The list should also point you to the Canadian updates. The post that discusses both Canada and the Caribbean since 1970 is here.

Thanks for reading and I hope you enjoy the story.
 
GUEST POST French political history, PART ONE : Napoléon IV's era - 1872 election

Sorry again for the delay, blame RL.

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A few notes:

The names are somewhat rough as there is not formal parties as of 1872 (read the related update) and the political landscape is defined by factions that can be hardly positioned and headless for they often have too many 'barons' to represent them.

The conservative caucus regroups royalists, authoritarian bonapartists (that doesn't like much the new Emperor) and deputies from Senegal (again, it's not a clear association as they mostly side with whoever they share the interests and views).
The liberal caucus is made up of Orleanists, liberal Bonapartists and former Republicans rallied to the Empire along newcomers from urban bourgeoisie in politics. The Orleanists and some Bonapartists lean towards the right as the moderation they show in their 'progressivist' agenda is paramount to conservatism, which would lead to them being the core of the future Conservative Democrat Party.
Despite winning more votes than conservative candidates, they won less seats, mainly due to their electoral base being in cities, within the urban populations.

Meanwhile, the actual difference between the liberals and Republicans lies within the acceptation of the Imperial Regime. Even if Republicans still defend a Republican model and don't take part in the government, their influence is on the decline after a peak in the election of 1869; after the constitutional referendum of 1870 and the Franco-Prussian war, the consequent boost of popularity of the Imperial regime cost Republicans half their share of vote and only the Corps Législatif doubling its size from 289 to 571 seats prevented their numbers here from collapsing. Still, the lack of clear majority in the Corps Législatif has made them the powermaker of the 1872 legislature, giving an overall majority to Emile Ollivier's coalition government.​
 
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GUEST POST French political history, PART ONE : Napoléon IV's era - 1877 election

From corps-legislatif.fr (2016)

... This election has seen a large victory of the newly found Parti Libéral Démocrate (PLD) under Léon Gambetta. This success can be attributed to the organizational skills brought along the construction of a formal party apparatus shaped by Gambetta and Freycinet, the fact being that the PLD's organization allowed liberals to take advantage of the fractured political landscape, but that tactical advantage didn't last as the new right wing parties founded during the Decade of Reaction dramatically developed the system of Electoral Syndicates and prevented another such landslide...

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NB: The unaccounted seats in that box are essentially unaffiliated conservatives, numbering 42 seats for 8 % of the popular vote.
 
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GUEST POST French political history, PART ONE : Napoléon IV's era - 1881 election

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NB:
The popular vote margins may seem a bit contradictory but are the symptom of a chaotic election with the collapse of PLD as context.
Thus, despite a slight advance in popular vote over PLD, the breakaway PCD remains behind by 8 seats.
The contrast between Socialist results and Christian Popular (UPC) or Republican comes from the difficulty of Socialists to break in, while Republicans and UPC's platforms are long known and familiar with common voters, especially in the countryside with conservative Catholic voters. It's because of this that, while Socialists are ahead of UPC by more than 2 points, they have a a quarter behind in terms of representation.
Even if this election started the Decade of Reaction, it was in no way a landslide election like 1877 but a consequence of PLD's split.​
 
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