Oh, they did. That's why I was doubting earlier on if Henry IX would remarry to a prestigious princess as a second wife.
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Then yes, he will kept the throne until his death and keep having children to furhter secure te tudor dynasty
I meant Henry VIII-Jane Seymour the Elder
the privy council? The only one calling for Brandon's head on a stick was Norfolk. Who was pissy that a "jumped up dog" married a king's daughter. Until the duchess of Norfolk reminded him that "you did the same" (referencing his late wife, Anne of York)
her other option was the duke of Milan, who Manuel refused because he felt that the guy would be a bad investment.
I think it's more likely to be a William and Mary type scenario than a Felipe and Mary
Jane is just a mistress here, not a wife. Katherine dies a decade earlier than OTL, and his second wife is Eleanor of Austria (OTL Dowager Queen of Portugal and France). Of course, since Mary becomes queen anyway, Eleanor's childbearing history is much like OTL's...
Hence why I've edited back the numerals for him
Henry VIII d. 1547 m. Catherine of Aragon d. 1522(a) Renee of France(b)
1a. Mary b. 1516 m. Francis, Duke of Brittany d. 1536(a) James V of Scotland d. 1544(b) Philip of Palatinate[1](c)
2a. Henry IX b. 1522 d. 1560 m. Maria of Portugal[2]
3b. Elizabeth b. 1527 m. Philip II of Spain
4b. Edward b. 1533 m. Catherine Grey[2]
5b. Margaret b. 1536 m. Joao Manuel of Portugal
1.Eloped.
2. Only had surviving female issues.
1a. Mary b. 1516 m. Francis, Duke of Brittany d. 1536(a) James V of Scotland d. 1544(b) Philip of Palatinate[1](c)
2a. Henry IX b. 1522 d. 1560 m. Maria of Portugal[2]
3b. Elizabeth b. 1527 m. Philip II of Spain
4b. Edward b. 1533 m. Catherine Grey[2]
5b. Margaret b. 1536 m. Joao Manuel of Portugal
1.Eloped.
2. Only had surviving female issues.
Slightly different Mary outlives Max TL:
Mary of Burgundy (1457-1509) m. Maximilian (1457-1490) [1] Archduke of Austria, King of the Romans
1) Philip (1478-1506) Archduke of Austria, King of the Romans 1493, Holy Roman Emperor 1497, m. Anne of England (1475-1511)
2) Margaret (1480-1530) m. Edward V (1470-1516) King of England
3) Francis (1481)
4) Ernest (1484-1540) Holy Roman Emperor 1506, m. Elizabeth of Bohemia and Hungary (1502-1556) [2]
5) Eleanor (1488-1542) m. Charles IX (1488-1532) King of France [3]
6) Isabella (1489-1546) m. Anthony (1489-1541) Duke of Lorraine
[1] Maximilian died from disease during his Hungarian campaign.
[2] Daughter of Vladislaus II and Maria of Aragon. Elizabeth is significantly younger than her husband, but between HRE Frederick III and Eleanor of Portugal there was similar age difference.
[3] Son of Charles VIII and Elizabeth of York
Mary of Burgundy (1457-1509) m. Maximilian (1457-1490) [1] Archduke of Austria, King of the Romans
1) Philip (1478-1506) Archduke of Austria, King of the Romans 1493, Holy Roman Emperor 1497, m. Anne of England (1475-1511)
2) Margaret (1480-1530) m. Edward V (1470-1516) King of England
3) Francis (1481)
4) Ernest (1484-1540) Holy Roman Emperor 1506, m. Elizabeth of Bohemia and Hungary (1502-1556) [2]
5) Eleanor (1488-1542) m. Charles IX (1488-1532) King of France [3]
6) Isabella (1489-1546) m. Anthony (1489-1541) Duke of Lorraine
[1] Maximilian died from disease during his Hungarian campaign.
[2] Daughter of Vladislaus II and Maria of Aragon. Elizabeth is significantly younger than her husband, but between HRE Frederick III and Eleanor of Portugal there was similar age difference.
[3] Son of Charles VIII and Elizabeth of York
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Henry VIII dies in 1524 before the start of the great matter
Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491, d. 1524) m. Catherine of Aragon (b. 1485, d. 1540)
Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491, d. 1524) m. Catherine of Aragon (b. 1485, d. 1540)
- Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516, d. 1568) m. Luís, Duke of Beja (b. 1506, d. 1560)
- Henry IX, King of England (b. 1534, d. 1578) m. Catherine of Austria (b. 1533, d. 1581)
- Catherine Tudor, Princess of England (b. 1536, d. 1588) m. Philip II, King of Spain (b. 1527, d. 1598)
- Margaret Tudor, Princess of England (b. 1537, d. 1581) m. Joao Manuel I, King of Portugal (b. 1537, d. 1565)
- Edward, Duke of York (b. 1540, d. 1596) m. Margaret Audley, Baroness Audley (b. 1540, d.
- Isabel Tudor, Princess of England (b. 1541, d. 1597) m. James VI, King of Scotland (b. 1542, d. 1590
In 1524 Mary would marry Charles V - they had been betrothed for several years and there’s no reason for either Charles or the English to break things off if Mary succeeds as queen
Henry VIII, King of England (1491 - 1547) married Catherine of Aragon (1485 - 1549) in 1509.
[1] OTL she was stillborn.
[2] Christian II was able to regain Norway and Denmark.
- Elizabeth (1510 - 1539) married Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500)
- Henry, Prince of Wales (1511 - 1538) married Maria of Portugal (b. 1513) [1]
- Edward, Duke of York (b. 1513) married Anne Bourchier (b. 1517)
- Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b. 1514) married Catherine Willoughby (b. 1519)
- Mary (b. 1516) married Francis II, King of France & Duke of Britanny (b. 1518)
- Catherine (b. 1518) married John II, King of Norway & Denmark (b. 1518) [2]
[1] OTL she was stillborn.
[2] Christian II was able to regain Norway and Denmark.
I love when all chidren of Catherine are alive. ☺️ And the son of Prince Henry and Maria of Portugal become king, right? Charles again lose his wife in 1539. 😢
Yes. They have a son, born in 1531, and he become king in 1547 as Henry IX.
And did Elizabeth gave Charles more surviving children?
I'm guessing Philip II of spain, Charles III of Burgundy and Maximilian I of Milan
Charles is still hesitant about the marriage due how long he would have to wait for Mary to come of age, and is supportive of a Portuguese marriage instead.
Manuel I, King of Portugal (1469-1521) m. a) Isabella, Princess of Asturias (1470-1498), b) Maria, Infanta of Aragon and Castile (1482-1517)
1a) Isabella II, Queen of Spain (1498-1563) m. Ferdinand, King of Naples (1488-1550)
2) - as OTL except Isabella is named Maria instead -
1a) Isabella II, Queen of Spain (1498-1563) m. Ferdinand, King of Naples (1488-1550)
2) - as OTL except Isabella is named Maria instead -
Awesome, please do the tree of isabella and ferdinand next
Charles wouldn’t hesitate about her age if she was queen regnant. Far better to keep the engagement than risk Mary marrying someone who is French aligned. My suggestion, if you want to keep the Mary/beja match, is to push the pod back by a few years so that Mary only becomes Queen after Charles has married Isabella.
Not if Mary came with a kingdom. Plus he had always wanted an English or French marriage and had little interest in the Portuguese match (who was wanted by the Cortes)
Sure. What number does Ferdinand get as King of Naples? Was he the third or fourth? @isabella