Maybe.Cool, so Philip would utilize burgundy as the base of the HRE?
Since this is a one-off, I won't elaborate. I'm just being a good friend.
Maybe.Cool, so Philip would utilize burgundy as the base of the HRE?
Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (1457 - 1519) married Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (1459 - 1519) in 1477.Suggestion Mary lives as long as max (1519)
Awesome.Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (1457 - 1519) married Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (1459 - 1519) in 1477.
- Philip (b. 1478)
- Margaret (b. 1480)
- Francis (1481 - 1481)
- Eleanor (b. 1482)
- Ernest (b. 1484)
- Mary (1485 - 1501)
- Charles (b. 1487)
- Rudolf (b. 1489)
- Isabella (1490 - 1492)
- Catherine (b. 1492)
- Leopold (b. 1493)
- Elizabeth (b. 1495)
as I've said to you before I doubt that that would be an option given that the Habsburgs didn't have an electoral vote until 1526 (OTL) and there are three ecclesiastical electorates availableNo one joins the church 😒
I have bad memories on characters joining the Church so I avoid it.as I've said to you before I doubt that that would be an option given that the Habsburgs didn't have an electoral vote until 1526 (OTL) and there are three ecclesiastical electorates available
I have bad memories on characters joining the Church so I avoid it.
uh...dumb question, but why does Ned (and his daughters) get domestic matches? Ned would be thirteen when his niece is born, 15yo when Katherine's last child is a stillborn daughter. Feel like he'd get at least a second tier foreign match instead of a domestic heiress. Also, I doubt Henry VIII marries Jane Seymour if there was no Anne Boleyn (who I don't see being made marchioness of Pembroke TTL) to lead the way.POD: Katherine Tudor was born a healthy boy.
Edward, Duke of Richmond (1503-1566) m. a) Elizabeth Grey, Viscountess Lisle (1505-1519), b) Anne Boleyn, Marchioness of Pembroke (1501-1561)
1a) Henry, 2nd Duke of Richmond (1519-1591) m. a) Mary I, Queen of England (1516-1558), b) Jane Seymour (1541-1561), c) Anne Herbert (1550-1592)
2b) Anne (1523-1576) m. William Parr (1513-1571)
3b) Thomas, 2nd Marquess of Pembroke (1525-1592) m. a) Katherine Howard (1523-1573), b) Helena Snakenborg (1549-1635)
4b) Edmund (1528-1584) m. a) Elisabeth Brooke (1526-1565), b) Katherine Hastings (1545-1620)
5b) George (1531-1581) m. Jane Fitzalan (1537-1578)
6b) Elizabeth (1533-1603) m. Robert Dudley (1532-1588)
7b) Mary (1536-1619) m. Edward Seymour (1539-1621)
Edward marries first to a rich heiress who dies young, then he makes a dramatic love match when Anne returns to England. His daughters aren't princesses, I don't think, so I don't see how they'd get foreign princes...uh...dumb question, but why does Ned (and his daughters) get domestic matches?
The d'Auvergne sisters are a little too old, Isabella of Navarre is a little youngFeel like he'd get at least a second tier foreign match instead of a domestic heiress.
Uh, he doesn't. The Jane here is the niece of OTL Queen Jane Seymour.Also, I doubt Henry VIII marries Jane Seymour if there was no Anne Boleyn (who I don't see being made marchioness of Pembroke TTL) to lead the way.
Henry VIII did a favor for his brother like how he did one for his sister. Their spouses get titles that wayAnne Boleyn (who I don't see being made marchioness of Pembroke TTL)
Edward marries first to a rich heiress who dies young, then he makes a dramatic love match when Anne returns to England. His daughters aren't princesses, I don't think, so I don't see how they'd get foreign princes...
I suppose he should be, but since he outlived her, he would lose his status as king upon her death so shouldn't he revert back to being Duke of Richmond? @isabella might know better...@ordinarylittleme how come edward's son henry didn't became henry IX of england by right of his first wife?
I know that. But Jane Seymour isn't getting near the royal bed. Henry remarries here, it'll be to a princessUh, he doesn't. The Jane here is the niece of OTL Queen Jane Seymour.
because those are the only second tier princesses available? Suzanne de Bourbon-Montpensier, Anne/Catherine de Laval, Susanne of Bavaria, Isabella of Naples (b.1499/1500), Beatriz of Portugal (not second tier, but a match with an English second son would be better than a duke whose duchy was occupied by the French), not to mention the chance of any of René II of Lorraine or the duc de Longueville's daughters (b. 1502 and b.1508 respectively) surviving infancy.The d'Auvergne sisters are a little too old, Isabella of Navarre is a little young
what favour did he do for his sister? Charles Brandon was created duke of Suffolk on 1 February 1514, Mary Tudor married Louis XII in August/October 1514. Why would he award the Pembroke title (which was left to Henry personally by his uncle Jasper) for his brother?Henry VIII did a favor for his brother like how he did one for his sister. Their spouses get titles that way
why would he? He's next in line to the throne anyway?he would lose his status as king upon her death so shouldn't he revert back to being Duke of Richmond?
exactlyThey could serve as proxy matches, like how minor French princesses did.
Fair. I don't think he'll be getting great matches as dowager king consort, especially if he had sons with Mary (I'm debating on that one), but I suppose an archduchess would workI know that. But Jane Seymour isn't getting near the royal bed. Henry remarries here, it'll be to a princess
Not throw Brandon in prison after stripping away the dukedom (he did very technically commit treason) like the privy council wanted?what favour did he do for his sister?
I don't think Savoy was occupied when Beatrice married, to be fairBeatriz of Portugal (not second tier, but a match with an English second son would be better than a duke whose duchy was occupied by the French)
I was genuinely working off of OTL, where Philip II of Spain was jure uxoris king and lost all power upon Mary's death. I suppose I could justify it by a Mary/Darnley analogue, but maybe I'll just let Henry IX keep his titles and powerwhy would he? He's next in line to the throne anyway?
I was genuinely working off of OTL, where Philip II of Spain was jure uxoris king and lost all power upon Mary's death. I suppose I could justify it by a Mary/Darnley analogue, but maybe I'll just let Henry IX keep his titles and power
I suppose so. In my draft their relationship is quite like OTL MQOS/Darnley...strong claimants marrying each other and then realizing they have nothing in common. MQOS wouldn't give Darnley the crown matrimonial for that reason. Then again, England doesn't have that...Phillip didn't have a blood claim to the English throne, but Henry IX would. After Mary's death, he'd be the senior claimant.
So he and mary didn't have any kids?I suppose so. In my draft their relationship is quite like OTL MQOS/Darnley...strong claimants marrying each other and then realizing they have nothing in common. MQOS wouldn't give Darnley the crown matrimonial for that reason. Then again, England doesn't have that...