why not? Albany was pro-French as they came. The wee queen will definitely NOT marry a Scotsman. And she will not marry the man who's the reason for her father's death (James V had a strong dislike for his uncle for this reason OTL).
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if she remarries as she did OTL, she'd forfeit the regency as OTL.
Also, if James V dies at Flodden, his younger son would become briefly Alexander IV, King of Scotland. Then Albany comes to the throne when Alex dies.
sorry to disappoint, but if Charlotte has a brother, she marries Willem II of the Netherlands (OTL she could exploit her position as heiress to refuse*). So she does become queen of Belgium...just...not by marrying Leopold of Coburg (and the world breathes a sigh of relief)
*Willem II didn't make the best impression on George IV because he showed up drunk/hungover to meet Charlotte. However, the drunkenness was caused by his rival, Prince Paul of Württemberg, favoured by both his stepmother and the duke of Cambridge, as a potential husband for Charlotte.
Unless Maria of Aragon lived longer, forcing the marriage of Joao III and Eleonore, Catalina of Austria is not becoming queen of anywhere but Portugal
probably not. Given how she was sort of "last ditch" candidate for James V's second wife, I suspect she isn't going to be deemed remotely good enough for a duke of York. Anne of Lorraine, Princess of Orange, seems more likely if you want a Lorraine match.
yuck, the incest continues. Still, at least TTL Manuel likely remarries to either Giovanna of Naples or Germaine de Foix rather than Maria of Aragon
nope. Leonor is too high for a Florentine banker but abysmally low for a Spanish second son. Given that Juan likely only marries after Fernando VII's (first) kid is born, I'd say a second-tier royal is likely. Either a surviving daughter of TTL Filippo III of Savoy or Anna d'Este. Considering that Bona Sforza was willing to engage her eldest daughter, Isabella, to a Habsburg archduke over ten years younger than her OTL, a Spanish infante who's also viceroy of Naples who's only five years younger is not so ASB.
Maria living would NOT change anything about Joao and Eleanor as I doubt she would be still unmarried in 1521.
OTL she was taken in consideration also by Henry VIII for himself, in a list who included the Cleves girls, Maria of Portugal and Christina of Denmark, so I would say she would work as French proxy Duchess of York. Main difference between her and her maternal cousins is who she is only a Princess Etrangere instead of being a Princess of blood like them.
Manuel would still remarry to Maria and here will marry her as soon is possible as he has no son by Isabella.
For what reason you think she is so low? I agree who an Isabella of Poland is likelier (not Anna d’Este, who would marry in France and is too young) but a match in the native aristocracy is not unthinkable for a younger son and she came from their highest ranks
Leonor falls into the uncomfortable spot of being "a subject". Regardless of who her parentage includes, it's the same as Henry VIII marrying four of his six wives. While she might be "better born" than any of those four, Leonor strikes me as the sort of match that would be made because Juan can't get any other match. Now, I agree that his brother would probably be hesitant to allow him to marry a foreign princess, a foreign princess is still "less dangerous" than him marrying into a ready-made base (like the Toledos) that can potentially oppose his brother.
We are talking about a different country with different traditions (and English princes of that age also married regularly in their nobility)… If Juan was a King then Leonor would be likely seen as too low or unsuitable but she is to marry a younger son, who is perfectly natural for that area.
POD: Filippo, son of Francesco I de Medici of Tuscany and brother of the famous Marie de Medici, survives to adulthood.
Filippo I, Grand Duke of Tuscany (1577-1635), marries Archduchess Catherine Renata of Austria (1576-1641) and had issue:
-Lorenzo I (born 1599), successor as Grand Duke of Tuscany
-Carlo (born 1600), Governor of Siena and founder of the Medici-Siena line
-Margherita (born 1602)
-Claudia (born 1603)
-Francesco (born 1605), Bishop of Ostia and a Cardinal
-Bianca (born 1607)
-Luisa (born 1609)
Filippo I, Grand Duke of Tuscany (1577-1635), marries Archduchess Catherine Renata of Austria (1576-1641) and had issue:
-Lorenzo I (born 1599), successor as Grand Duke of Tuscany
-Carlo (born 1600), Governor of Siena and founder of the Medici-Siena line
-Margherita (born 1602)
-Claudia (born 1603)
-Francesco (born 1605), Bishop of Ostia and a Cardinal
-Bianca (born 1607)
-Luisa (born 1609)
Afonso of Portugal (b. 1539) lives
Alfonso, Duke of Guarda (b.1539–1578) m Filipa da Silva, 4th Countess of Portalegre (1550–1590).
Alfonso, Duke of Guarda (b.1539–1578) m Filipa da Silva, 4th Countess of Portalegre (1550–1590).
Joao IV, King of Portugal (b. 1571-) m Catherine of Lorraine (b.1572-?)
Alfonso VI king of Portugal (b. 1594-?) m
Joao, Duke of Beja (b.1597-?)
Philippa (b. 1602-?)
Catharina (b. 1604-?)
Catharina (b. 1573-?) m Ferdinand VI of Spain (b. 1574-?)
Philip III, King of Spain (b. 1596-?)
Infante Cardinal Carlos (b.1598-?
Anna (b. 1602-?)
Maria (b.1606-?)
Louis, Duke of Guarda (b. 1575-?)
Maria (b. 1578-?) m Felipe, Grand Duke of Toxana (b.1577-?)
Felipe II, Duke of Toxana (b.1600-?)
Maria Anna (b.1602-?)
Cardinal Ferdinand (b.1606-?)
Eleanor (b.1608-?)
Mazovian Piasts survived:
Janusz III (1502-1531) Duke of Mazovia, m. Jadwiga Jagiellonka (1513-1573)
1) Konrad IV/I (1531-1582) Duke of Mazovia, King of Poland 1573, m. Katarzyna Tęczyńska (1544-1592)
Janusz III (1502-1531) Duke of Mazovia, m. Jadwiga Jagiellonka (1513-1573)
1) Konrad IV/I (1531-1582) Duke of Mazovia, King of Poland 1573, m. Katarzyna Tęczyńska (1544-1592)
1) Bolesław VI (1564-1620) Duke of Mazovia, King of Poland, m. Anna of Austria (1573-1527)
2) Jadwiga (1565-1629) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tyrol
3) Janusz (1568-1574)
4) Zygmunt (1570-1577)
5) Anna (1573-1574
6) Władysław III (1575-1598) Duke of Mazovia
7) Katarzyna (1578-1581)
8) Zofia (1580-1642) m. Albrecht Friedrich II (1580-1634) Duke of Prussia
No. Princesse Etrangere mean “foreign princess” and was the status who was given in France to foreign minor royalty who lived there.
Marie of Guise is a junior princess of Lorraine (her father is the younger brother of the Duke of Lorraine) while her maternal cousins are junior princesses of France
wouldn't a likelier match be one of the Bourbon-Montpensier girls? Henri II was planning to send one with Élisabeth de Valois to Spain to marry either Alessandro Farnese, Duarte de Guimaraes or D. Juan d'Austria (whichever one Felipe considered suitable). Think Anne de Bourbon-Montpensier accompanied Élisabeth OTL, but the marriage idea died with Henri II
Would Charotte still end up with her OTL marriage without the marriage of Anne of Brittany? And agreed on Yolande Louise, I may decide that she doest’t die young so Philibert never remarried.
Things aren’t great in Bohemia and Hungary, but without Mohacs they’re having a better time overall.
No, you are right as she would marry differently, but most likely still inside France.
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Prompt: Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor accepts the Farnese Family's offer of Vittoria Farnese as a second bride.
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500 d. 1558) m. Isabella of Portugal (b. 1503 d. 1539) and Vittoria Farnese (b. 1519 d. 1602)
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500 d. 1558) m. Isabella of Portugal (b. 1503 d. 1539) and Vittoria Farnese (b. 1519 d. 1602)
- Philip II of Spain (b. 1527 d. 1598) m. Maria Manuela, Princess of Portugal (b. 1527 d. 1545) m. Mary I of England (b. 1516 d. 1558) m. Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1546 d. 1568) and Anna of Austria (b. 1549 d. 1580)
- Maria of Austria (b. 1528 d. 1603) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1527 d. 1576)
- Ferdinand of Austria (b. 1529 d. 1530)
- Stillborn Son (1534 d. 1534)
- Joanna of Austria, Princess of Portugal (b. 1535 d. 1573) m. João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (b. 1537 d. 1554)
- Juan of Austria (b. 1537 d. 1538)
- Stillborn Son (b. 1539 d. 1539)
- Charles III, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1541 d. 1600) m. Renata of Lorraine (b. 1544 d. 1602)
- Eleanor of Austria (b. 1542 d. 1593)
- Ferdinand I, Duke of Milan (b. 1544 d. 1595) m. Victoire of Valois (b. 1556 d. 1605)
- Stillborn Daughter (b. 1545 d. 1545)
- Vittoria of Austria (b. 1546 d. 1550)
I know it’s unlikely to happen but holy shit do I appreciate it (also Ferdinand likely marries earlier than Madame Victoire would allow)
thanks, it's a bit ASB considering Charles loved Isabella, but I had this on the back of my mind for weeks.
I didn't know what match to put for Ferdy, so it was a bit rushed, but I did consider Dorothea of Lorraine, but decided against it.
At least spain Will be sparred the mess that was the 80 years war.
Suggestion: The surviving son of Joao III and Catherine of Austria lives to old age.