Very interesting! I imagine Hans and his line will have to serve as mediators between France and Austria/Spain
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II
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Alexander I of Russia did have children with his wife OTL. Two daughters, if I remember correctly. Unfortunately for Alexander I and Elizabeth Alexeievna, both didn't survive past toddlerhood.
Charles II, King of England and Scotland (b. 1630-1685) m (b. 1638-1702)
Catherine I, Queen of England and Scotland (b. 1663-) m James II and VI (b. 1663-)
Charles, Prince of Wales (b. 1680-)
Catherine, Princess Royal (b. 1682-)
Henry James, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1685-)
Henrietta Anne (b. 1690-)
Elizabeth (b. 1694-)
Henrietta Louise (b. 1668-.) m John George, Elector of Saxony (b. 1668.)
John George, Elector of Saxony (b. 1689-)
Catherine (b. 1692-)
Anna (b. 1695-)
Karl (b. 1699-)
Elizabeth (b. 1669-) m Frederick, King of Denmark (b. 1671-)
Christian King of Denmark (b. 1690-)
Charlotte Anna (b. 1692-)
Maria Louise (b. 1697-)
George (b. 1702-)
Anne Hyde (b. 1637-) mJames, Duke of York (b. 1633-)
Charles, Duke of Cambridge (b. 1660-1661)
Mary (b. 1662-) m Louis XV, King of France (b. 1661-)
Louis Dauphin de France (b. 1680-)
Marie-Thérèse Madame Royale (b. 1683-)
Philippe, Duke of Anjou (b. 1685-)
Anne (b. 1687-1690)
Charles, Duke of Berry (b. 1690-)
Henrietta Anne (b. 1693-)
Elizabeth (b. 1696-)
James II VI (b. 1663-) married Catherine I, Queen of England and Scotland (b. 1663-) with issues
Anne (b. 1665-) m Joao V, King of Portugal *(b. 1669-)
Joao VI, King of Portugal (b. 1685-)
Maria Catharina (b. 1687-)
Luisa Maria (b. 1690-)
Pedro, Duke of Beja (b. 1692-)
Maria Joanna (b. 1693-)
Jorge (b. 1695-1701)
Maria Isabella (b. 1703-)
Maria Anna (b. 1705-)
Charles, Duke of Northumbland (b. 1666-) m Elizabeth Percy (b. 1668.)
James Charles, Duke of Northumbland (b. 1685-)
Catherine (b. 1688.)
Mary Elizabeth (b. 1691-)
Anne (b. 1694-)
Henrietta (b. 1698.)
Edgar (b. 1667- 1671)
Henrietta (1669)
Catherine (b. 1671-) m William, Prince of Orange (b. 1672-)
Elizabeth (b. 1690-)
Catherine (b. 1693-)
William Frederick, Prince of Orange (b. 1696-)
* male Isabel Luisa, Princess of Pera
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Henry VIII, King of England [1509-1547], King of Ireland [1541-1547] (1491-1547) 1m: 1509 Catalina of Aragon (1485-1536); 2m: 1533 Anne Boleyn, Marquess of Pembroke (1501/1507-1536); 3m: 1536 Jane Seymour (1509-1537); 4m: 1540 [ann.1540] Anne of Kleve (1515-1557); 5m: 1540 Katherine Howard (1523-1542); 6m: 1543 Katherine Parr (1512-1548)
[1m.] Mary (b. 1516) m: 1544 Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg (b. 1503)
Philip II, Elector Palatine [1559-] (b. 1546) m. Joanna, Archduchess of Austria [1547-] (b. 1547)
[2m.] Elizabeth (b. 1533) m: 1545 Philip II, King of Spain [1556-] (b. 1527)
[3m.] Edward VI, King of England and Ireland [1547-1553] (1537-1553)
[6m.] Henry IX, King of England and Ireland [1553-], King of Scots [1561-] (b. 1544) m: 1561 Mary I, Queen of Scots [1542-] (b. 1542)
[6m.] Edmund, Duke of Bedford [1544-] (b. 1544) m: 1560 Katherine Grey (b. 1540)
interesting idea (and one I discussed with a friend once): Alexander's son by his mistress (Nikolai Alexandrovich Loukache) in 1796 is born to Elizaveta Alexeïevna instead. And to "balance" it out, Empress Maria Feodorovna gives birth to a stillborn son (aka Nikolai I, who was a huge baby OTL apparently). The doctors advise that Paul and his wife mustn't have more children.
And now we have the updated version of Hapsburg family tree. As always suggestions are appreciated!
- Philip I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1478, d. 1524) m. Joanna of Aragon, Infanta of Spain (b. 1479, d. 1552)
- Eleanor of Austria, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1498, d. 1548) m. Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491, d. 1553)
- Henry IX, King of England (b. 1517, d. 1571) m. Elizabeth of France, Princess of France (b. 1521, d. 1583)
- Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b. 1518, d. 1594) m. John II, King of Denmark (b. 1518, d. 1574)
- Edward, Duke of York (b. 1521, d. 1572) m. Anne Bourchier, Baroness Bourchierr (b. 1517, d. 1571)
- Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500, d. 1561) m. Anne of France, Princess of France (b. 1501, d. 1567)
- Joanna of Austria, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1522, d. 1574) m. Sigismund II, King of Poland (b. 1521, d. 1583)
- Anne of Austria, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1525, d. 1578) m. Ferdinand VII, King of Spain (b. 1525, d, 1580)
- Maria of Austria, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1526, d. 1570) m. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1524, d. 1573)
- Philip II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1532, d. 1598) m. Elizabeth of Bavaria (b. 1529, d. 1584)
- Isabella of Austria, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1501, d. 1535) m. Christian II, King of Denmark (b. 1481, d. 1559)
- Hans II, King of Denmark (b. 1518, d. 1574) m. Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b. 1518 d. 1594)
- Dorothea of Denmark, Princess of Denmark (b. 1520, d. 1576) m. Alexander IV, King of Scotland (b. 1515, d. 1565)
- Christina of Denmark, Princess of Denmark (b. 1522, d. 1592) m. William I, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b. 1516, d. 1592)
- Ferdinand of Austria, Archduke of Austria (b. 1503, d. 1535) m. Anne of Hungary, Princess of Hungary (b. 1503, d. 1557)
- Maximilian of Austria, Archduke of Austria and Duke of Inner Austria (b. 1528, d. 1560) m. ?
- Katherine of Austria, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1529, d. 1585) m. Ludovico II Sforza, Duke of Milan (b. 1527, d. 1570)
- Frederick of Austria, Archduke of Austria (b. 1533, d. 1577) m. ?
- Ernest of Austria, Archduke of Austria and Bishop of Tyrol (b. 1535, d. 1600)
- Mary of Austria, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1505, d. 1558) m. Louis II, King of Hungary (b. 1505, d. 1531)
- Vladislaus III, King of Hungary and Bohemia (b. 1529, d, 1593) m. Elizabeth of Poland, Princess of Poland (b. 1526, d. 1588)
- Catherine of Austria, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1507, d. 1577) m. Joao III, King of Portugal (b. 1504, d. 1561)
- Duarte II, King of Portugal (b. 1527, d. 1565) m. Isabella of Spain, Infanta of Spain (b. 1525, d. 1571
- Henrique, Duke of Beja (b. 1530, d. 1590) m. Joanna of Braganza (b. 1529, d. 1581)
- Catherine, Infanta of Portugal (b. 1537, d. 1600) m. Henry X, King of England (b. 1539, d. 1606)
- Eleanor of Austria, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1498, d. 1548) m. Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491, d. 1553)
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Amazing work! And with only the Empire to deal with i imagine charles doesn't get burned out?
Yes sir, Charles is able put his entire focus on the Empire which means the reformation remains mostly in Scandinavia and Northern Germany .
How about his eternal rivarly with francis? was he able to get the better of him?
Francis never comes to the French throne, and with Margaret of Austria as Queen of France and her daughter marrying Charles relations between the Empire and France are much more cordial. They‘re not best friends but we won’t have hundreds of years of an Austrian-French rivalry.
Much better! And I also see Charles' line building the german idenity around austria.
Austria will remain a key part of the empire into the future and with only the Burgundian Netherlands and the Austrian homeland, the Hapsburgs will be able to focus entirely on German affairs.
Possibly in the future, but for now the succession of both is in good standing.
Scenario: Joanna of Aragon, grandmother of Europe.
Joanna, Infanta of Aragon (b.1455: d.1517) m. John II, King of Portugal (b.1455: d.1495) (a)
Joanna, Infanta of Aragon (b.1455: d.1517) m. John II, King of Portugal (b.1455: d.1495) (a)
1a) Joanna, Infanta of Portugal (b.1474: d.1542) m. Charles I, Duke of Savoy (b.1468: d.1490) (a), John IV, Count of Auvergne (b.1467: d.1501) (b), Sigismund I, King of Poland (b.1467: d.1548) (c)
1b) Elisabeth de La Tour d'Auvergne, Countess of Auvergne (b.1494)
2b) John V, Count of Auvergne (b.1497: d.1504)
3b) Michelle de La Tour d'Auvergne (b.1500)
4c) John II, King of Poland (b.1506)
5c) Barbara Jaigellon, Princess of Poland (b.1510)
6c) Casimir Jaigellon, Prince of Poland (b.1512: d.1512)
2a) Eleanor, Infanta of Portugal (b.1476: d.1477)
3a) John III, Prince of Portugal (b.1479: d.1497) m. Maria, Infanta of Castile and Aragon (b.1482: d.1498) (a)
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1498)
4a) Isabella, Infanta of Portugal (b.1480: d.1480)
5a) Stillborn Son (c.1482)
6a) Edward II, King of Portugal (b.1484: d.1538) m. Catherine, Infanta of Castile and Aragon (b.1485: d.1536) (a)
1a) Isabella, Infanta of Portugal (b.1503: d.1505)
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1505)
3a) Maria, Infanta of Portugal (b.1508)
4a) John III, King of Portugal (b.1511)
5a) Henry, Duke of Coimbra (b.1514: d.1529)
6a) Beatrice, Infanta of Portugal (b.1516: d.1519)
7a) Stillborn Son (c.1519)
7a) Beatrice, Infanta of Portugal (b.1487: d.1513) m. Arthur Tudor, Prince of Wales (b.1486: d.1502) (a), Henry VIII, King of England and Ireland (b.1491: d.1547) (a)
1b) Henry IX, King of England and Ireland (b.1510)
2b) Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1512)
3b) Miscarriage (c.1513)
8a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1488)
9a) Catherine, Infanta of Portugal (b.1489: d.1509) m. Charles III, Duke of Savoy (b.1486: d.1553) (a)
1a) Philibert Manuel, Prince of Piedmont (b.1507: d.1510)
2a) Charles IV, Duke of Savoy (b.1508)
10a) Constance, Infanta of Portugal (b.1492: d.1549) m. Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1516) (a)
1a) Charles IX, King of France (b.1516)
Scotland is unlikely, she would've either gone to the Palatinate (as OTL) or to Cleves, depending on whether her father was deposed or not. An English bride for his son and a Scots one for his daughter seems unlikely IMO
Zygmunt Stary specifically wanted a granddaughter of his brother for his son's wife, not just any old archduchess/imperial niece
maybe a surviving Severinus of Saxony/Catholic Moritz of Saxony?
Habsburg treaty of Linz with Bavaria specifically stipulated a match between Ferdinand's children and those of the duke of Bavaria
bishop of Tyrol isn't a thing. And given that the Habsburgs are down the Bohemian electorate, if he goes into the church, he will wind up in whichever of the ecclesiastical electorates (Cologne, Mainz, Trier) goes vacant first*
*Albrecht of Brandenburg, Archbishop of Mainz died in 1545, but he's only 10yo so @Nuraghe can opine on how credible an archbishop the boy would be. Next vacancy is in 1555. Cologne went vacant in 1546, so I suspect he'd have to wait until 1558 for Cologne. Trier went vacant in 1547, then again in 1556. In short, Mainz (and the imperial chancellorship) seems to be the likeliest option