Just a question and if Im wrong about this please let me know, but has this timeline been posted in Finished Timelines?
No, it hasn't been posted there. Partly because it's not finished, and mostly because I've never used the Finished Timelines forum for anything. (DoD isn't there either; I archive it on the website instead.)Just a question and if Im wrong about this please let me know, but has this timeline been posted in Finished Timelines?
No, it hasn't been posted there. Partly because it's not finished, and mostly because I've never used the Finished Timelines forum for anything. (DoD isn't there either; I archive it on the website instead.)
That's a lot of ifs, and on reflection there's not much reason to think that the Nuttana would be best-placed for any of those, except transportation, and that only near the ocean.
The Nuttana have no monopoly on selective breeding techniques, and indeed are not even the best in Aururia for it. The Five Rivers have practiced it on kunduri , aromatics and dyes for centuries; the Yadji have done something similar with certain fungi as part of fuelling death warriors, and on animals have done the same with wool dogs. Peoples across Aururia have been doing selective breeding on a small scale with some plants, such as the native species of tobacco, for centuries.
Likewise, curing is not a Nuttana monopoly. The Five Rivers took up curing techniques for kunduri long before the Nuttana had even been founded, and were adapting those techniques to smoking variants of kunduri from the late 1630s onward. Similar would apply to packing techniques, and the Five Rivers have an established land and river-based transportation network which can reach the majority of the Aururian population.
The same would be equally true of the Five Rivers, and it is the Five Rivers who have a long history of producing aromatically-flavoured drugs. I'm not seeing any particular advantage for the Nuttana here.
.The Five Rivers and Durigal could easily do the same in developing premium versions. The particular landraces would not be the same as the Nuttana versions (dfferent microclimates etc), but the techniques to develop their own versions exist amongst both peoples
The Dutch and English trading companies are searching for anything which can be usefully traded into Aururia. They tried both European and Asian goods early on - the instructions for the early exploration of Aururia ITTL were adapted with only minor changes from instructions given in OTL, and that included a wide array of goods, not just from Europe. While it's certainly possible that the Europeans miss early cannabis, they will probably notice as soon as the Nuttana start trading it. And the Nuttana trading would probably begin before they had really highly-selected premium cannabis (they wouldn't put that effort in unless they'd seen some returns from lower-grade versions).
.Even if the Europeans miss it themselves, the Tjibarri would certainly ask if they had any way to obtain it. And the European trading companies could obtain it, from India or elsewhere
I can certainly see the Nuttana selling a premium version into Asia. The elite market there is large enough in absolute terms to be worthwhile. (The elite market in Aururia, not so much, especially since Durigal or the Five Rivers could easily produce their own premium version within a relatively short timeframe.)
There is some tradition of that amongst the Yadji, which was co-opted for death warriors but which existed before that. To a lesser degree also amongst the Atjuntja subject peoples, though not so much the Atjuntja themselves.
refresh my memory, just what is a Durigalese?“Not even a Durigalese should forget what today is,”
Why not goose or emu eggs?Chickens were added to ducks as animals which could produce incomplete eggs
So just what was going on upstairs?Beam said, “Did I just see that? It sounded like they trying to kill each other, and then they walk out calling it a good meeting!”
A cookbook full of recipes which can't be made - quite tempting, actually.You should write a cookbook Jared.
No hard date for the publication of the Hunter sequence. The sequence itself is written (except for one additional idea I had which I will work in), but the problem is that events will be almost impossible to follow without supporting maps. Maps are in the works, but no date as yet.Very keen for the full Hunter sequence. Any hard dates yet? Here's hoping they're ready for the WA school holidays.
A resident of Durigal. Durigal is the old name which the Yadji have for the land they rule. The borders of modern Durigal may not correspond exactly to the old Yadji borders, of course.refresh my memory, just what is a Durigalese?
Emus won't lay eggs unless there's a male around. Domesticated geese have not made it to the regions where the Tjarrlinghi lived at this time.Why not goose or emu eggs?
Just what it said - a board meeting. Gunnagal tend to have a rather emphatic approach to debating issues, including business strategy.So just what was going on upstairs?
Hey, some of the things in the cookbook could at least be mostly replicated.A cookbook full of recipes which can't be made - quite tempting, actually.
The Hunter's two eldest sons take the names Space and Filling (translations, of course), and rule jointly to create the Space-Filling Empire.How space filling does The Hunter's empire get? And will it be divided between his sons at his death?
Only if Russia falls first.Is Poland under any threat from the Hunter's horde?
Well, most of the recipes have actually gone the other way, where I've taken an OTL recipe and modified it somewhat based on how I thought it might develop ATL.Hey, some of the things in the cookbook could at least be mostly replicated.
More with a few substitutions.
From a mangled version of intro- ("looking within") and nous-> noid ("mind"). Roughly speaking, "those who look within the mind". Intro is Latin and nous was originally Greek, but was assimilated into Latin as in OTL, which led to the derivation of "paranoid".What is the origin of the word intronoids ?
Aururians have extensive, detailed knowledge and practical application of agroforestry, and have had for a long time. This includes things such as companion planting, using wattles at the edge of fields both as windbreaks and as habitat for small birds who control insect pests (or with a few trees in larger fields for the same effect), using wattles in rotation to replenish the soil, using wattle pods (very high nitrogen content) to feed to emus to produce even more effecive manure, using mulching techniques from wattle products, etc.
They use a variety of other trees for fruit, timber, aromatics, and so forth. One especially important technique is that the various sandalwood trees - both aromatic sandalwood and quandong, which is a non-aromatic variety - are root parasites and need to be grown near host trees for best growth. Acacias are the usual host tree of choice, although occasionally others are also maintained for that purpose.
Australian cotton can be - and is, to a lesser degree - also very easily grown further south in the lands of the ATL Five Rivers, along the Darling, Lachlan and Murumbidgee. At this point, while the Tjarrlinghi have not entirely given up agriculture, they are not really the best-placed to start up the sort of major irrigation works and mass cultivation which would be needed to start a textile-driven industrial revolution. The Five Rivers, in contrast, have both the irrigation expertise and the agricultural manpower needed to mass cultivate cotton, if they put their minds to it. (I doubt that they will, for reasons which I don't want to go into until Act III.)
If the Nuttana are relying on cotton for textile production, they would be best-placed by doing what Britain started, buying it from India. It's possible that the Tjarrlinghi will evolve into a form which allows mass production of cultivation in a century or so, but not in the short term.
That said, having dug around a bit more I remembered that there are two areas of coffee production in modern Australia. There's the tropical production, which is basically in Nuttana lands (far north Queensland). But there's also subtropical coffee production, stretching from Noosa to Coffs Harbour. Or in ATL terms, from the Kiyungu lands to Daluming. This land is used for spice production ATL, but they have plenty of spare land. They can also grow sugar cane, but the Nuttana aren't sharing the plants and it's not as easy for them to import sugar cane. It would be entertaining if this land became a bigger source of coffee production ATL.
Not major ones which are wholly mendicant. The idea of charity is an established part of Plirism - the fith path on the Sevenfold path - but it usually operates via a different method. Traditionally the temples support the poor in the community and rely in turn on donations from others to perform their work. This is not a monastic model, but it's not exactly a mendicant one etither - the temples preach to others, receive donations and then pass on those donations to the poor, keeping a little to support themselves. But they do have a fixed temple where they are based.
There is a small Plirite sect surviving in Gutjanal whose members have mendicant missions, where they go out to preach and guide the people and rely on alms when they do so, but they do have a home base where they live the rest of the time, so they aren't wholly mendicant either.
Lands of Red and Gold Interlude #14: The Twelve Days of Bunya
Very keen for the full Hunter sequence. Any hard dates yet? Here's hoping they're ready for the WA school holidays.
How space filling does The Hunter's empire get? And will it be divided between his sons at his death?
Quite. Their elaborate systems of land management were mostly misunderstood by Europeans, who were much more familiar with (their own) traditional farming techniques. Hence they missed entire systems when the Aboriginal peoples managed the land and even transferred plants over vast distances to establish them into the ecosystem and then harvest them for food.It makes sense that Aururian agriculture would have basically started out based on principles of agroforestry because the aboriginals of OTL practiced serious ecological management, including controlling forests and food trees, which we now have termed ecosystem management even though this was very ancient knowledge.
I figured that the more usual animal would be common brushtail possums (Trichosurus vulpecula). These habituate to human contact very well, as is demonstrated where they thrive in cities today, and have a much more versatile diet than koalas. They can be used for similar purposes (fur, hides, meat) and really only need provision of a few nest boxes to allow them to become widespread.In fact it'd be interesting to connect a previous idea of koalas being raised on enclosures with agroforestry. If Aururian agroforests contain enough eucalypt trees, koalas could easily be raised by farmers, and over time koalas could be more accustomed to human contact. Perhaps koalas would even become as used to living indoors as on the trees if farmers build shelters for them.
I don't know whether that specific Indian fertiliser would be adaptable to Aururian conditions, but certainly Aururians use a wide variety of effective fertilisers by the combination of ducks/emus and wattles (leaves, bark, pods, wattleseeds).Speaking of manure, I've heard of an effective fertilizer from India composed of fertilized gramflour and cow dung. Perhaps Aururians could come up with a similar product with fermented wattleseed, wattlepods, emu droppings, and cow dung.
There are specific acacia species I've heard of that are incredibly effective in agroforestry since they produce great mulch and good wood, such as the earleaf wattle (would only be available to the Nuttana though). So undoubtedly I would imagine a ton of non-food wattles would be a fixture on farms for mulch, wood, and other purposes. There are likely a lot more fertilizer trees around Aururia.
Durigal is too far south to be useful for cotton production. Here is a map of where cotton is grown in OTL; as shown there, it's only a small part of northern Victoria where it's possible, and that's part of the Five Rivers ITTL. Even that takes short-staple cotton and the cotton gin to be possible, which is not instantly available at this point ITTL. Plus the equivalent of several human generations of careful selective breeding of short-staple cotton varieties which can be grown in northernmost Victoria (the growing range has been gradually extended further south within Australia over the decades due to intensive selective breeding).Another option for cotton mass-cultivation that can support industry elsewhere is Durigal. The Yadji would also have the long-standing trade connections with the Nuttana on top of that.
As for the Tjarrlinghi, the areas where modern OTL Australian cotton production happens in interior Queensland would indeed be a poor choice to set up mass cultivation. I imagine they would look towards the littoral for that, that area sees enough rainfall for cotton cultivation.
But if the Yadji take up the mantle of prime cotton producer of Aururia, the Tjarrlinghi may not be able to compete even when they're able to take up mass-cultivation of cotton themselves.
I did look at some species of kurrajong, mostly the Illawarra flame tree (Brachychiton acerifolius). I figured that they would not make good staple crops because they are finicky to grow, irregular when flowering, yield lower than wattles, are more water-intensive, and the prickly hairs on the seeds are a pain to deal with (literally).Speaking of coffee, do you know of kurrajong? It has a higher caffeine content than coffee and the beans can be roasted to make a substitute to coffee. Didn't find much information as per taste, but on the face of it seems like it would be perfect as the Aururian answer to coffee. No doubt it would have been cultivated and bred to be used as coffee was, didn't look too deeply into the species provenance and which specfic ones have caffeinated beans, so can't say much as to who would cultivate it first. But if someone did, no doubt the crop would have spread around.
Charity is an explicit part of Plirism (the fifth path). It's expected that all Plirites (except the destitute) will donate part of their income to others. In most Plirite societies, that means going to the temples who in turn will support others. Some schools distinguish between donations for the needy and donations for the temple itself. In the Nangu school, there is a set formula of one-twelfth of income to be donated as charity. Other Plirite schools encourage charity but do not have a set percentage.Does Plirism have something like zakat, then? Like, say, a temple asking for a sum of money, not necessarily a charitable contribution but perhaps more like a tax, regularly from those followers with the wealth to provide, and using said money to perform charity for the poor / needy, and using part of that money for the upkeep of the temple etc.?
No explicit rule forbidding it in most schools, though there may be concerns about a priest who has spent too much time on private work and not enough on their main religious duties.Also, since Plirites allow priests to marry, what do they say about priests having an additional income apart from their work in the temple? Say, if a priest devotes time to a trade or perhaps if they have a talent like art they work for commision?
Yes, most Plirite schools send out priests to proselytise in one form or another. Except for the Yadilli, because living in Durigal has had the dangers of that drummed into them.Do any of the other Plirite sects do missions like these sending priests out to proselytize? That seems like it would be the bread and butter of the Nangu / Nuttana schools and how they would have operated throughout their history.
As with many such things, it's a question of how things are defined. The use of quandong nut as an explicit meat substitute probably is the oldest meat substitute in the world, having been a practice in central Australia for thousands if not tens of thousands of years. On the other hand, it didn't become part of an explicit vegetarian tradition until what's probably after when Indian vegetarianism started (the bunya tree started spreading around 800 BC, and Indian vegetarianism is probably older than that)."Oldest Cuisine" sounds only half-accurate for this TL, depending on the assumptions whoever says that makes. I'll just assume it's just what Aururian nationalists (or nationalists from Aururia) would say about their cuisine. Kinda like how Indian nationalists hilariously contend Sanskrit as the oldest language!
The nature of the business being structured as it was is linked to the broader ideological context of the ATL twentieth century. I can't be more specific than that or for the reasons they were in North America without too many spoilers for Act III.What's the background to Gunnagalese operating an auto-dealership in North America, were these immigrants? Them running their business as a cooperative was also interesting, what's the reason behind that?
Indeed. In terms of what's claimed on a map, almost every Aururian state (the Atjuntja, the Yadji, Tjibarr, Yigutji, Gutjanal, Daluming, and now the Dominion) will claim more territory than they actually control. Yadji maps show them controlling territory where they haven't had a presence in over two centuries.Aside from what Jared said, I can tell you that it might surpass every other Aururian state in territory, and even that isn't spoiling much because many of our favourite Aururian players have also grown a bit since the last time you saw them on a map.
But that should be kinda obvious, a horde on horseback united under a charismatic leader tend to cover quite a bit of ground in the ol' conquering game.
So any hints about this one?I hope you don't mind me asking about your other proposed Australian centric TL
I just came across this on the speculative evolution board
http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/single/?p=3113821&t=8163032
is this what you have in mind for That Humongous Strength ?
...The Nangu often support the priest directly as a link to a trade mission...