A delegation was sent, but the only reason the U.S denied the offer was because they don't know if the rest of the Yucatense people could agree with the decision.
How Far the U.S. Would Have Annexed Mexico
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A delegation was sent, but the only reason the U.S denied the offer was because they don't know if the rest of the Yucatense people could agree with the decision.
Tallest Skil
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Why, is your OCD acting up?
The line is the Tropic of Cancer. Baja sticks down below it and that wouldn’t really matter to the US. Unless the treaty accidentally explicitly stipulated “no lower than the Tropic of Cancer”, the US would have no trouble or complaint taking that last little bit.
Mexico wasn’t in any position to create a Point Roberts analogue, anyway.
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RandomWriterGuy
Hmmm... you started both of those. You keep trying to get different answers do you? You don't like the ones you're getting?
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RandomWriterGuy
Hmmm... you started both of those. You keep trying to get different answers do you? You don't like the ones you're getting?
I am just finding a wider scope of answers.
I just realized if Mexico got into so much conflict that by the start of the 20th century that their population was so low, could the U.S. annex it?
British Republic
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If America was formed out of the 13 Colonies (from Day One) as OTL: Up to the Tropic of Cancer (and maybe a little bit further south), which would have happened had the person in question who negotiated the treaty did a better job.
If America included Canada and Nova Scotia from Day One: All of Mexico (when the free states have such a advantage over the slaveholding states, you cannot afford to get picky over how much of Mexico you want, well if you want to keep slavery that is).
If America included Canada and Nova Scotia from Day One: All of Mexico (when the free states have such a advantage over the slaveholding states, you cannot afford to get picky over how much of Mexico you want, well if you want to keep slavery that is).
British Republic
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Why do we never get threads asking how far Mexico could have annexed the U.S? Oh right, yeah, even in AH land we need to remember Americans are the best!!
There have been some "Sucessful Mexico" thread on this forum, I think the main reason is that partly because there are many Americans and partly because it is not exactly ASB to wank the United States.
From what I read they could have butterfiled the Lousiana Purchase and maybe gain Oregon County.
Louisiana I can see, but Mexico obtaining Oregon? That's a little farfetched without a further back POD.
Probably not too much farther- Baja, Chihuahua, Sinaloa, Durango, Coahuila, Sonora, Nuevo Leon Tamaulipas are about as far as I see the US going at best. Certainly not all the way into the Valley proper. Nowhere south of Durango is really feasible due to population density and logistical issues.
Sinaloa and Durango are probably maximal- most likely "larger" expansion is controlling both sides of the Rio Grande meaning: Baja, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Sonora, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas.
Yucatan would be a 19th century Vietnam, but even fucking worse.
Sinaloa and Durango are probably maximal- most likely "larger" expansion is controlling both sides of the Rio Grande meaning: Baja, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Sonora, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas.
Yucatan would be a 19th century Vietnam, but even fucking worse.
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Why do we never get threads asking how far Mexico could have annexed the U.S? Oh right, yeah, even in AH land we need to remember Americans are the best!!
Because Mexico tended to get beat up by the United States during the 19th century, and not the other way around? Also, the American Revolutionary War showed just how tricky conquering the United States would be, and most people on the board are more familiar with it than with the Mexican War of Independence or the Franco-Mexican War, which had the same effect vis-a-vis Mexico.
If Mexico was way more devastated (and even a reduced population) that's OTL to the point they asked USA to annex them for financial aid and the USA does this, is this the most feasible scenario?
CthulhuFhtagn
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No. Mexico is far too different culturally for people to contemplate requesting annexation just because it needs financial aid.
Or under threat from colonial powers? Dominican Republic wanted annexation for this reason.
Tallest Skil
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Number 1: we are. Number 2: Without big changes to Mexico, any time after 1830 that we come to blows, Mexico isn’t going to come out on top, and that’s pretty early in the US’ history.
Thing about Americans is that we’re more stubborn than most.
Monroe Doctrine applies here, but I’m not sure how dire a situation you’d need for the US to up and just annex, even with the support of Mexicans. Pretty dire. Makes for an interesting idea, though. I vaguely remember writing something like this in a ‘Germany wins WWII’ scenario of mine.
“In a what?!”
Yes, this would have back in the days just before I found dedicated discussions on alternate history. Buds got nipped, I’ll tell you.
Number 1: we are. Number 2: Without big changes to Mexico, any time after 1830 that we come to blows, Mexico isn’t going to come out on top, and that’s pretty early in the US’ history.
Thing about Americans is that we’re more stubborn than most.
Monroe Doctrine applies here, but I’m not sure how dire a situation you’d need for the US to up and just annex, even with the support of Mexicans. Pretty dire. Makes for an interesting idea, though. I vaguely remember writing something like this in a ‘Germany wins WWII’ scenario of mine.
“In a what?!”
Yes, this would have back in the days just before I found dedicated discussions on alternate history. Buds got nipped, I’ll tell you.
Do the Mexico annexed one, let's say USA annexes way more of Mexico, like half of it. Then, Mexico would be most likely under more threat from foreign powers to the point Mexico ends up like the Dominican Republic scenario. How does that go?