Fruit of the Pomegranate - A Tudor Timeline
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Habsburg family tree
Separated the Habsburg tree from the update for easier reference.
New update coming in the next two weeks.
Descendants of Maximilian I Habsburg, Holy Roman Emperor in 1531. Does not reflect miscarriages. Names in bold indicate rulers, heirs in italics:
Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (22 March 1459 – 31 January 1519) oo a) 1477 Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (13 February 1457 – 27 March 1482), b) 1490 - o|o 1492 - Anne, Duchess of Brittany (25 January 1477 – 9 January 1514), c) 1494 Bianca Maria Sforza (5 April 1472 – 31 December 1510)
New update coming in the next two weeks.
Descendants of Maximilian I Habsburg, Holy Roman Emperor in 1531. Does not reflect miscarriages. Names in bold indicate rulers, heirs in italics:
Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (22 March 1459 – 31 January 1519) oo a) 1477 Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (13 February 1457 – 27 March 1482), b) 1490 - o|o 1492 - Anne, Duchess of Brittany (25 January 1477 – 9 January 1514), c) 1494 Bianca Maria Sforza (5 April 1472 – 31 December 1510)
1a) Philip I “the Handsome” of Castile and Aragon, Duke of Burgundy (22 July 1478 – 25 September 1506) oo a) 1496 Joanna I of Castile and Aragon (b. 6 November 1479)
1a) Eleanor of Austria (b. 15 November 1498) oo a) 1518 Manuel I of Portugal (31 May 1469 – 12 July 1523 ), b) 1524 Frederick II of the Palatinate (b. 9 December 1482)
2a) Margaret of Austria (b. 10 January 1480) oo a) Juan of Aragon, Prince of Asturias and Girona (30 June 1478 – 4 October 1497), b) 1501 Philibert II, Duke of Savoy (10 April 1480 – 10 September 1504)1b) Eleanor of the Palatinate (15 May 1525 – 6 June 1529)
2b) Joanna of the Palatinate (b. 5 October 1526)
3b) Frederick of the Palatinate (b. 5 October 1526)
2a) Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, Duke of Burgundy (b. 24 February 1500) oo a) 1521 Sophia of Masovia (b. 3 January 1498)2b) Joanna of the Palatinate (b. 5 October 1526)
3b) Frederick of the Palatinate (b. 5 October 1526)
1a) Eleanor of Austria (8 August 1523 – 24 May 1525)
2a) Joanna of Austria (b. 19 April 1527)
3a) Charles of Austria (b. 19 April 1527)
4a) Francis of Austria (b. 18 August 1529)
5a) Henry of Austria (stillborn 12 October 1530)
6a) Maximilian of Austria (b. 3 September 1531)
2a) Joanna of Austria (b. 19 April 1527)
3a) Charles of Austria (b. 19 April 1527)
4a) Francis of Austria (b. 18 August 1529)
5a) Henry of Austria (stillborn 12 October 1530)
6a) Maximilian of Austria (b. 3 September 1531)
3a) Isabella of Austria (18 July 1501 – 5 August 1519) oo a) 1515 Christian III of Denmark (b. 1 July 1481)1a) Hans of Denmark (b. 21 February 1518)
2a) Johanna of Denmark (b. 8 July 1519)
3a) Annelise of Denmark (stillborn 8 July 1519)
4a) Ferdinand of Austria, Prince of Asturias and Girona (b. 10 March 1503 ) oo a) 1521 Anna of Hungary (b. 23 July 1503 )2a) Johanna of Denmark (b. 8 July 1519)
3a) Annelise of Denmark (stillborn 8 July 1519)
1a) Isabella of Spain (b. 1 July 1522)
2a) Charles of Spain (stillborn 1 July 1522)
3a) Catherine of Spain (b. 5 July 1523 )
4a) Ursula of Spain (b. 23 December 1525)
5a) Helena of Spain (b. 2 November 1526)
6a) Henry of Spain (stillborn 12 December 1527)
7a) Maria of Spain (b. 10 January 1529)
8a) Margaret of Spain (stillborn 26 October 1530)
9a) Alfonso of Spain (b. 18 August 1531)
10a) Ferdinand of Spain (b. 18 August 1531)
5a) Mary of Austria (b. 15 September 1505) oo a) 1515 Louis II of Hungary (b. 1 July 1506)2a) Charles of Spain (stillborn 1 July 1522)
3a) Catherine of Spain (b. 5 July 1523 )
4a) Ursula of Spain (b. 23 December 1525)
5a) Helena of Spain (b. 2 November 1526)
6a) Henry of Spain (stillborn 12 December 1527)
7a) Maria of Spain (b. 10 January 1529)
8a) Margaret of Spain (stillborn 26 October 1530)
9a) Alfonso of Spain (b. 18 August 1531)
10a) Ferdinand of Spain (b. 18 August 1531)
1a) Elizabeth of Hungary (stillborn 9 May 1521)
2a) Mary of Hungary (b. 8 March 1524)
6a) Catherine of Austria (b. 14 January 1507) oo a) 1523 John III of Portugal (b. 7 June 1502)2a) Mary of Hungary (b. 8 March 1524)
1a) Enrique of Portugal (b. 4 May 1526)
2a) Leonor of Portugal (stillborn 4 May 1526)
3a) Dinis of Portugal (stillborn 18 June 1527)
4a) Maria of Portugal (b. 6 February 1530)
5a) Felipe of Portugal (stillborn 20 January 1531)
2a) Leonor of Portugal (stillborn 4 May 1526)
3a) Dinis of Portugal (stillborn 18 June 1527)
4a) Maria of Portugal (b. 6 February 1530)
5a) Felipe of Portugal (stillborn 20 January 1531)
1a) Isabella of Aragon (stillborn 8 December 1497)
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One small thing, if Eleanor still marries Manuel then her OTL children or some equivalent would still most likely be born.
Miscarriages aren't listed, but she conceived twice, once in 1519 and the other a few months before Manuel kicked the bucket.
Lament of a Queen
Admittedly not my best. It's hard to write about Catherine.
“The Queen in Contemplation”
An 18th century painting depicting Catherine of Aragon deep in thought as she received the news of war from Spain [1]
“For a woman raised in the belief that everything she should do must be for the good of her family, the war between her sister and her nephew proved to be a great challenge to Queen Catherine.
As the dogs of war were being unleashed through the Continent, Catherine wrote pressing letters both to Joanna and Charles, begging them to not destroy each other and reconcile their differences. Catherine even begged Henry to let her travel back to Castile to talk to her warring family to no avail, as Henry decidedly refused to take part in the continental war, choosing instead to let it play out.
Finally, in 1526, the war ended, deposing her ‘most beloved nephew’ as King of Castile and Aragon, and giving power back to her sister Joanna. It is said that the Queen wept terribly at the news, calling power a scourge upon her family. There were fears that she would end up mad with grief, a trait that came from her Portuguese grandmother, but these fears were soon soothed, when in February of the same year, she joined the court for the celebration of Princess Mary’s birthday, looking as regal as ever, but with a sort of grief still marring her face.
Though she eventually accepted the results of the war, letters were still exchanged between her and her sister, begging Joanna to forgive Charles for his ‘unjust usurpation.’ On this, Joanna never relented, for until the end of her days she declared Charles as ‘no son of hers.’
The tragedy that was Queen Catherine’s life was not over yet, it seems, for in 1529, her daughter Mary was sent to the turbulent French court for her impending marriage to the Dauphin. Mary eventually became an ardent supporter of de Berquin, becoming his patroness after Queen Anne’s death. Her daughter’s supposed heresy caused a rift in her heart never repaired.”
[1] IOTL, a painting by C. R. Leslie alluding to Act III, Scene I of Shakespeare’s Henry VIII.
“The Queen in Contemplation”
An 18th century painting depicting Catherine of Aragon deep in thought as she received the news of war from Spain [1]
“For a woman raised in the belief that everything she should do must be for the good of her family, the war between her sister and her nephew proved to be a great challenge to Queen Catherine.
As the dogs of war were being unleashed through the Continent, Catherine wrote pressing letters both to Joanna and Charles, begging them to not destroy each other and reconcile their differences. Catherine even begged Henry to let her travel back to Castile to talk to her warring family to no avail, as Henry decidedly refused to take part in the continental war, choosing instead to let it play out.
Finally, in 1526, the war ended, deposing her ‘most beloved nephew’ as King of Castile and Aragon, and giving power back to her sister Joanna. It is said that the Queen wept terribly at the news, calling power a scourge upon her family. There were fears that she would end up mad with grief, a trait that came from her Portuguese grandmother, but these fears were soon soothed, when in February of the same year, she joined the court for the celebration of Princess Mary’s birthday, looking as regal as ever, but with a sort of grief still marring her face.
Though she eventually accepted the results of the war, letters were still exchanged between her and her sister, begging Joanna to forgive Charles for his ‘unjust usurpation.’ On this, Joanna never relented, for until the end of her days she declared Charles as ‘no son of hers.’
The tragedy that was Queen Catherine’s life was not over yet, it seems, for in 1529, her daughter Mary was sent to the turbulent French court for her impending marriage to the Dauphin. Mary eventually became an ardent supporter of de Berquin, becoming his patroness after Queen Anne’s death. Her daughter’s supposed heresy caused a rift in her heart never repaired.”
– “Catherine the Queen: Her Lifelong Passion” by Anne St. John
___________________[1] IOTL, a painting by C. R. Leslie alluding to Act III, Scene I of Shakespeare’s Henry VIII.
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Okay, so I'm having a problem. Who marries Manuel's daughters? The Habsburg brothers are out of the question, they won't be widowed for quite a while. Granted, Francis is free to remarry by 1531, but would their Habsburg cousins allow one of them to marry someone under the sway of heresy?
Isabella can marry Charles III of Savoy. Beatrice might marry Federico II Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_III,_Duke_of_Savoy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federico_II_Gonzaga,_Duke_of_Mantua
The duke of Mantua was OTL betrothed to several people:
So a Portuguese match isn't out, although he's still only a Marchese (he only became a duke in 1530). Another possibility is one of Il Moro's sons. IRC there was a match suggested between Massimiliano Sforza and a younger Portuguese infanta (Maria of Viseu?) at some point.
Primus Circumdedisti Me
So after putting off this part for almost a year (the idea's been stuck with me since I started this TL), it's finally done. Finally!
An artist’s rendition of Fernando de Magallanes
“On the 16th of August 1519, the five ships under the command of Fernando de Magallanes set sail from Seville into the Guadalquivir River and left Spain on September 25 [1]. Manuel of Portugal ordered a detachment to pursue his former courtier, but the navigator evaded capture. Magallanes filled his stores on Cape Verde and set his course for Nuevo Edén [2].
On the 20th of November, the voyage crossed the equator, and finally sighted land one week later. While on the shores of Nuevo Edén, the ships were resupplied and set sail once again on the 9th of December. Afterwards, Magallanes’ fleet continued to sail south along Nuevo Edén’s eastern coast, reaching the Mar Dulce [3] more than a month later.
While overwintering on their newly-discovered Puerto de San Isidoro [4], named for the canonized Archbishop of Seville, mutiny broke out among the crew, chief of them being Juan Sebastián Elcano. Elcano was subsequently marooned and the other mutineers executed after Magallanes successfully put the mutiny down [5]. Magallanes’ brother-in-law then became captain of the Santiago [6].
The voyage resumed its course. The Concepción was sent down the coast to scout for a passage and was wrecked in a storm, with none of its crew surviving [7]. Faced with this new calamity, Magallanes decided to wait out the storm.
Reaching the Cabo San Marcelo on the feast day of the saint that lent its name to it, Magallanes concluded that he had reached the passageway to the East [8]. On November 10, 1520, the ships remaining began their journey through what Magallanes referred to as the Estrecho San León Magno, for it was the feast day of said Pope [9]. Victoria deserted, however, and returned to Spain December of that year. The remaining ships entered the open sea around the same time. The sea that welcomed them was dubbed Mar Grandísimo by Magallanes for its vastness [10].
Continuing their travel northwest, the fleet eventually sighted land on the 20th of February, although it was not the famed Spice Islands they reached. While restocking the ships on this new, harsh landscape, called Panchaea by Magallanes for the mythic southern land, they met the natives [11]. Pigafetta, misinterpreting the natives who called themselves the Murri, wrote in his journal that they have met descendants of Moors. These Murri, through Magallanes’ slave Enrique, tell the crew that the lands they seek are farther north [12].”
[1] He left Seville on the 10th IOTL, and finally sailed away from Spain on September 20.
[2] New Eden (Nuevo Edén) is OTL South America, while New Elysium (Nuevo Elíseo) is OTL North America.
[3] Juan Díaz de Solís’ term for Rio de la Plata.
[4] OTL Puerto San Julian, Argentina
[5] IOTL, Elcano was forgiven because he wasn’t the chief mutineer, and it was de Cartagena who was marooned.
[6] He became captain of the Victoria after the mutiny IOTL.
[7] It was the Santiago which was sent down and wrecked IOTL, and its whole crew survived.
[8] Cape Virgenes IOTL. I used the current Calendar of Saints for the place names since I couldn’t find a decent source for the Tridentine Calendar which was identical to the Calendar of Saints used during the time period.
[9] OTL Strait of Magellan, which he called Estrecho de Todos los Santos.
[10] The Pacific Ocean IOTL.
[11] OTL Australia
[12] Evidence suggest native Australians traded with their Northern neighbors.
An artist’s rendition of Fernando de Magallanes
“On the 16th of August 1519, the five ships under the command of Fernando de Magallanes set sail from Seville into the Guadalquivir River and left Spain on September 25 [1]. Manuel of Portugal ordered a detachment to pursue his former courtier, but the navigator evaded capture. Magallanes filled his stores on Cape Verde and set his course for Nuevo Edén [2].
On the 20th of November, the voyage crossed the equator, and finally sighted land one week later. While on the shores of Nuevo Edén, the ships were resupplied and set sail once again on the 9th of December. Afterwards, Magallanes’ fleet continued to sail south along Nuevo Edén’s eastern coast, reaching the Mar Dulce [3] more than a month later.
While overwintering on their newly-discovered Puerto de San Isidoro [4], named for the canonized Archbishop of Seville, mutiny broke out among the crew, chief of them being Juan Sebastián Elcano. Elcano was subsequently marooned and the other mutineers executed after Magallanes successfully put the mutiny down [5]. Magallanes’ brother-in-law then became captain of the Santiago [6].
The voyage resumed its course. The Concepción was sent down the coast to scout for a passage and was wrecked in a storm, with none of its crew surviving [7]. Faced with this new calamity, Magallanes decided to wait out the storm.
Reaching the Cabo San Marcelo on the feast day of the saint that lent its name to it, Magallanes concluded that he had reached the passageway to the East [8]. On November 10, 1520, the ships remaining began their journey through what Magallanes referred to as the Estrecho San León Magno, for it was the feast day of said Pope [9]. Victoria deserted, however, and returned to Spain December of that year. The remaining ships entered the open sea around the same time. The sea that welcomed them was dubbed Mar Grandísimo by Magallanes for its vastness [10].
Continuing their travel northwest, the fleet eventually sighted land on the 20th of February, although it was not the famed Spice Islands they reached. While restocking the ships on this new, harsh landscape, called Panchaea by Magallanes for the mythic southern land, they met the natives [11]. Pigafetta, misinterpreting the natives who called themselves the Murri, wrote in his journal that they have met descendants of Moors. These Murri, through Magallanes’ slave Enrique, tell the crew that the lands they seek are farther north [12].”
– “Primus Circumdedisti Me: The Magallanes Expedition” by Sebastián Rodríguez Durante
___________________[1] He left Seville on the 10th IOTL, and finally sailed away from Spain on September 20.
[2] New Eden (Nuevo Edén) is OTL South America, while New Elysium (Nuevo Elíseo) is OTL North America.
[3] Juan Díaz de Solís’ term for Rio de la Plata.
[4] OTL Puerto San Julian, Argentina
[5] IOTL, Elcano was forgiven because he wasn’t the chief mutineer, and it was de Cartagena who was marooned.
[6] He became captain of the Victoria after the mutiny IOTL.
[7] It was the Santiago which was sent down and wrecked IOTL, and its whole crew survived.
[8] Cape Virgenes IOTL. I used the current Calendar of Saints for the place names since I couldn’t find a decent source for the Tridentine Calendar which was identical to the Calendar of Saints used during the time period.
[9] OTL Strait of Magellan, which he called Estrecho de Todos los Santos.
[10] The Pacific Ocean IOTL.
[11] OTL Australia
[12] Evidence suggest native Australians traded with their Northern neighbors.
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