Please explain a bit. And tell me how you counted the Chinese year.
Above: A customer at a Jihanki Shokudō, Gau Gamshan City, winter of 4643 HJ.
The sad fact being, despite all the romance of sturm und Xiēshān, at the end of the day, one has to remember...form follows function, money (and the bottom line) talks, quantity has a quality of it's own, and the bureaucratic mentality is the only universal constant.
Easternized/ Muslim world Dress and architecture thread
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I get the feeling that these could work more or less as officer's uniformsI like to imagine them resembling Jedi outfits with insignia.
Well, it's mostly from my guess that any functioning industrial, technological society comparable to our own (or at least, that of boom years of the 20th century) is likely not going to be overly exotic in the nitty-gritty, compared to our own—if it could exist, it likely would have out-competed and supplanted it's mundane counterpart, a la the Competitive Exclusion Principle. And if a comparatively exotic system could coexist without supplanting mundane industrial society, then, well, it's not really a true counterpart. Like how the existence Hippie Communes really wouldn't be invalidated by the continuing existence of Industrial Civilization...but they're really anything more than a niche alternative, not a true challenger.
But! That's all sleep deprived, pie-in-the-sky rambling...the real meat of what you were asking? In regards to the aesthetics of an Automat in a Sinicized/Islamicized alternate world?
Utilitarianism. In that, things that have demonstrated utility, and are cost-effective (read: "cheap"), have staying power. And if "form follows function," a hammer is going to look like a hammer, and a metal box is probably going to look like a metal box, no matter what parachronic civilization builds it, if they're still human. And a general lack of ornamentation or unique cultural flavor might, in the end...take a back seat to selling mass produced bento boxes to urban office workers on their lunch break, with a relative minimum of overhead cost.
In a universe where there's a giant statue of Guan Yu standing magnificently in place of the Sutro Tower, there's very likely a souvenir stand or five within walking distance, and certainly a wood-frame bar down by the harbor that doesn't look or function appreciably different from one on the same spot, thirty universes in either direction.
And the angels, all pallid and wan,
Uprising, unveiling, affirm
That the play is the tragedy, "Man,"
And its hero "Boring, But Practical."
Oh! The year for the pic is—according to a deep, detailed research project consisting of skimming through wikipedia and Google Translate—the current "Huangdi Year," the years since the start of the reign of the semi-mythical Yellow Emperor, minus 77 years. Or, 1945 AD.
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These are neat. Not too overflowing robes or dress and not too many trinkets hanging. Aesthetic but practical. These would likely be uniforms in an islamized world.I like to imagine them resembling Jedi outfits with insignia.
Oh, you were focusing on the mechanics, I was wondering what a native Gumshanese doing in a still traditional Gumshanese outfit. About utilitarianism, I agree, technology would be more or less the same in shape.
I like to imagine them resembling Jedi outfits with insignia.
Wouldn’t wearing that kind of uniform have the problem of getting snagged in combat?
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Dress style is more or less the same with cuff being tightened and less flowy robe and ends.
It's...uh, actually an evolution of the changshan, modified over the decades according to the needs of local climate, and materials. As you might just be able to tell, it's being worn partly open in the front, in typical Colonial fashion.
And the hat is actually an Akubra—itself an indirect, settler adaptation of the Jaapi—or at least, it's iconic Fusangi descendant. Which, as the story goes, was first crafted by a local tanner/hatter who'd never actually seen one, working only from the best description of the client placing the order. (Modern examples, of course, are rarely made from Aqisitan otterskin!)
The pants are, of course, simple ku trousers, the angle of the shot almost comically emphasizing an already slimmed-down trim, emblematic of the fashion of the Flashbang Generation. (The young man in this photograph is probably thankful his face wasn't visible in the picture—lest his children or grandchildren get a chance for a well-deserved laugh, at his expense.)
Time to start backfilling the case, boys!
Wow, Chinese clothing sure is more practical. Looks like even an Islamic world would adapt these fashions really well.
Shouldn’t it be based on Korean Gat more than Japi?
Hmm even Chinese have their hippies but were they part of formal attire? because the guy looks like an employee
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A Hassak( cossack) Yinshi( Priest) of Jingjiao( Nestorian nazarene) enjoying solitude near Tien shan mountains, Hong kingdom, art circa 1300 AH.
Jingjiao were making a comeback to northern China in 11th century( 17th century) following Tatar eastward expansion and establishment of the Hui- Uighur Hong dynasty in Northern China.
Year 921 after Hijra, the bustling bazaar of Shudegari* town in the newly discovered continent of Talentiya. Some elements of native architecture from far north have been fused with Mande style. Of course, the steady flow of refugees from Mixtec keeps the labour force intact, thanks to Europeans. Perhaps the destiny of Mande people lie here, with Olden empires of Mansa crumbling under the Portuguese weight and Fulani invasion. But its only a matter of time until others hear of this little paradise.
*Santa Marta
The pig like thing is actually an Armadillo if one looks closer.
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That's actually a popular belief, but according to historical review, aside from some very circumstantial evidence of peripheral cultural cross-pollenation—and the chest-thumping of certain joseocentrists—it does not seem to have a historical basis, and the shape is considered something of an example of convergent evolution.
(Or, as the put-upon original haberdashers probably would have put it, themselves, if they could speak across the years, and in a comparable tongue: "Oi, mate—let's see YOU have a go at making a proper hat outta Taraba rawhide in 50° heat, 'see how pretty THAT looks, ya gwee!")
"Hippies"? HAH! More like "fashionable non-conformists." Store-Brand Shinjinrui—showing what a hip, modern, urban professional they are by not giving their eyebrows a quick kohling before they rush to catch the trolley to get to the office, with the OTHER ten thousand guys dressed the same way. Damn kids.
You know, rather than worldwide Easternization or Westernization, I wonder if we could've had several civilizations industrialize independently at more or less the same time; several Indian states (such as Bengal, under Mughal rule in name only by then) were about to do just that when Britain invaded, so you could've had Europe, the Americas, and the western half of Africa follow Great Britain's lead, with Asia, the eastern half of Africa (that had been visited by Indian merchants for centuries), and maybe even Oceania follow Bengal's lead.
China and the Muslim world could've done the same if not for Mongol expansionism, but that would mean Europe and India falling under the influence of said cultural blocs instead; if all the places that were able to achieve proto-industrial characteristics IRL had been able to make the jump to actual industry at the same time, now that would've been an interesting world; sadly, most of sub-Saharan Africa, the Americas and Oceania would've still been preyed upon, as they were far removed from the rest of the world's trade networks, but the local states could've preserved their independence more easily, due to the increased number of colonial players in direct competition with each other.
China and the Muslim world could've done the same if not for Mongol expansionism, but that would mean Europe and India falling under the influence of said cultural blocs instead; if all the places that were able to achieve proto-industrial characteristics IRL had been able to make the jump to actual industry at the same time, now that would've been an interesting world; sadly, most of sub-Saharan Africa, the Americas and Oceania would've still been preyed upon, as they were far removed from the rest of the world's trade networks, but the local states could've preserved their independence more easily, due to the increased number of colonial players in direct competition with each other.
This is something I wish to work with but needs a pod far back into 11th century. And you are right about most Sub-Saharan Africa, ocenia and Americas would have been colonised, albeit by Asians along with Europeans.
What about Muslims keeping Iberia and letting the Japanese colonize parts of the Americas?
Have Britain somehow keep India and the Indian taste catch on more and you might get there regarding architecture:
George IV's Royal Pavilion at Brighton
As for uniforms, have Zouave style uniforms catch on among regular infantry units in the 19th century and have civil attire mimic it like it often did with uniforms and you're almost there without requiring significant political PoDs. Also have the Rembrandt era fashion of wearing turbans in the west survive or reintroduce it from Sikh units in the British Indian Army the way Croatian cavalerists popularised cravats in 17th century France, which, in one form or another, has stuck to the present day.
A French Zouave unit in 1912, original colour photograph
Regarding modernising traditional eastern fashion, here a 1957 fashion shot with modern kimonos
George IV's Royal Pavilion at Brighton
As for uniforms, have Zouave style uniforms catch on among regular infantry units in the 19th century and have civil attire mimic it like it often did with uniforms and you're almost there without requiring significant political PoDs. Also have the Rembrandt era fashion of wearing turbans in the west survive or reintroduce it from Sikh units in the British Indian Army the way Croatian cavalerists popularised cravats in 17th century France, which, in one form or another, has stuck to the present day.
A French Zouave unit in 1912, original colour photograph
Regarding modernising traditional eastern fashion, here a 1957 fashion shot with modern kimonos