Personally, I think Hillary would be better than Trump at swaying moderate voters, considering the Donald doesn't seem like the type to modify his ideas for 'electability'.
I think most of the swing states would go to Clinton.
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Personally, I think Hillary would be better than Trump at swaying moderate voters, considering the Donald doesn't seem like the type to modify his ideas for 'electability'.
I think most of the swing states would go to Clinton.
Asami
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Yeah, but also factor in the large fact that many, many Americans, moderate or not, would rather vote for Trump, who they see as someone with some shred of dignity, than Hillary Clinton, who has an absolutely awful reputation amongst anyone who isn't a blind Democratic Party zealot, because of her various actions as First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State.
Plus, she'd have very little if any support from progressives and leftists, who would almost universally refuse her and vote independent/third-party instead.
Trump's net national favorability is twice as bad as Hillary's though.
So Virginia still has West Virginia and Kentucky at this Point?
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I disagree. He's obviously modified his views to win the GOP primary, and his supporters are not only aware of it but do not care. It's not flip-flopping if you portray yourself as earnestly unshackled by ideology, I guess.
Yeah, well, here's hoping that Hillary's electability wins out.
Very nice! Well...not to live in, but you know what I mean
Most places I make aren't
This is the beginning of a new sideprojet alongside AJND
Should hopefully have more stuff out soonish
It's a very natural and convenient border and demarcation
It never lost them in TTL
Haven't pinned down yet, but sometime in the mid 18th century probably
2004
Despite Al Gore's defeat in 2000, the Democrats were fairly confident of a victory in 2004. They had held up well in the House, kept control of the Senate (which they had shocked the pundits by recapturing in 1998) and had a field of liberal to moderate candidates waiting in the wings.
That was until September 11, 2001.
With the assertive, stronghanded response the former serviceman President McCain put forth and the counter-terrorism proposals he authorised, his approval rating soared, and with it, the Republicans' representation in Congress in the 2002 midterms.
By this time, however, he was being urged to go further. The Republican right had long harboured a grudge against Saddam Hussein after Jeffords' somewhat limp-wristed involvement with the Gulf War.
However, not only did McCain have the assertive backing of a British Prime Minister (namely Tony Blair, who had held 3 landslide Commons majorities in 1994, 1998 and most recently securing a majority of 187 in October 2001), but McCain himself was keen to push for the invasion of Iraq, with or without the UN's approval.
With cracks beginning to appear in the McCain administration's foreign policy, it seemed the Democrats could hold a decent amount of support, but a victory for them seemed unlikely. The primary, consisting most predominantly of John Edwards, John Kerry and Howard Dean, was eventually won by Edwards when neither of the latter two backed down. He subsequently made Representative Dennis Kucinich of Ohio his running mate in an effort to swing the state the Democrats' way.
McCain/Rice (Republican): 305 EVs, 52.3%
Edwards/ Kucinich (Democratic): 233 EVs, 47.0%
The election was a clear victory for McCain, with Edwards picking up only one state; the increasingly liberal-leaning California, ironically; whilst his performance in the South was shockingly weak, carrying only Louisiana and his native North Carolina. Even the usually loyally Democratic states of West Virginia, which hadn't gone Republican since 1964, and Missouri, which had been Democratic in every Presidential election since 1980, swapped over to McCain.
Like Gore, his campaign was generally unfocused; he alienated liberals by his support for the Iraq War and failed to differentiate himself enough from McCain to secure more conservative voters. Combined, this caused him to lose both liberal-leaning states like Oregon and Wisconsin and conservative-leaning ones like Georgia or Texas.
My weirdest President Elect game yet, George Wallace vs Jesse Helms 1968.
Jesse Helms
George Wallace
More realistic than OTL.
Asami
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The following is a peculiar electoral experiment based on proportional EV allocation.
Round One
States in silver indicate a "deadlocked college", with no clear-cut majority. In many cases, the EVs are evenly distributed, or there are at least two candidates with a tie.
The first round gave no immediate winner -- nobody had an electoral majority, and most of the states had a deadlock of apportionment. After the first round, the two lowest candidates were eliminated. Both Ed Clark and Jill Stein left the race. Clark's electors then pushed their votes into John Anderson's campaign, and Jill Stein's voters flocked over to Debs and the Socialists.
[ Round Two will be done tomorrow, because I don't have the energy to draw up the map x_x ]
Round One
States in silver indicate a "deadlocked college", with no clear-cut majority. In many cases, the EVs are evenly distributed, or there are at least two candidates with a tie.
Eugene V. Debs / Emil Seidel (Socialist) - 142 electoral votes
George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent) - 125 electoral votes
John Bell / Edward Everett (Constitutional Union) - 119 electoral votes
John Anderson / Patrick Lucey (Independent) - 86 electoral votes
Ed Clark / David Koch (Libertarian) - 37 electoral votes - Eliminated
Jill Stein / Cheri Honkala (Green) - 29 electoral votes - Eliminated
George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent) - 125 electoral votes
John Bell / Edward Everett (Constitutional Union) - 119 electoral votes
John Anderson / Patrick Lucey (Independent) - 86 electoral votes
Ed Clark / David Koch (Libertarian) - 37 electoral votes - Eliminated
Jill Stein / Cheri Honkala (Green) - 29 electoral votes - Eliminated
The first round gave no immediate winner -- nobody had an electoral majority, and most of the states had a deadlock of apportionment. After the first round, the two lowest candidates were eliminated. Both Ed Clark and Jill Stein left the race. Clark's electors then pushed their votes into John Anderson's campaign, and Jill Stein's voters flocked over to Debs and the Socialists.
[ Round Two will be done tomorrow, because I don't have the energy to draw up the map x_x ]
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Asami
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Round Two
States in silver indicate a "deadlocked college", with no clear-cut majority. In many cases, the EVs are evenly distributed, or there are at least two candidates with a tie.
Eugene V. Debs / Emil Seidel (Socialist) - 169 electoral votes
George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent) - 125 electoral votes
John Anderson / Patrick Lucey (Independent) - 125 electoral votes - Withdrew
John Bell / Edward Everett (Constitutional Union) - 119 electoral votes
George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent) - 125 electoral votes
John Anderson / Patrick Lucey (Independent) - 125 electoral votes - Withdrew
John Bell / Edward Everett (Constitutional Union) - 119 electoral votes
The first round gave no immediate winner -- nobody had an electoral majority, and most of the states had a deadlock of apportionment. After the first round, the two lowest candidates were eliminated. Both Ed Clark and Jill Stein left the race. Clark's electors then pushed their votes into John Anderson's campaign, and Jill Stein's voters flocked over to Debs and the Socialists.
The second round also gave no immediate winner. With Stein and Clark withdrawn, a few states flipped from "majority" to 'deadlock', and some flipped away from deadlock to a candidate. However, at the end of the second round, due to the tie, there was a controversy over how it would be resolved -- it was decided that Anderson would withdraw due to him having less state majorities than Wallace.
Round Three
States in silver indicate a "deadlocked college", with no clear-cut majority. In many cases, the EVs are evenly distributed, or there are at least two candidates with a tie.
John Bell / Edward Everett (Constitutional Union) - 244 electoral votes
Eugene V. Debs / Emil Seidel (Socialist) - 169 electoral votes - Formed Popular Front w/ Bell
George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent) - 125 electoral votes
Eugene V. Debs / Emil Seidel (Socialist) - 169 electoral votes - Formed Popular Front w/ Bell
George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent) - 125 electoral votes
The first round gave no immediate winner -- nobody had an electoral majority, and most of the states had a deadlock of apportionment. After the first round, the two lowest candidates were eliminated. Both Ed Clark and Jill Stein left the race. Clark's electors then pushed their votes into John Anderson's campaign, and Jill Stein's voters flocked over to Debs and the Socialists.
The second round also gave no immediate winner. With Stein and Clark withdrawn, a few states flipped from "majority" to 'deadlock', and some flipped away from deadlock to a candidate. However, at the end of the second round, due to the tie, there was a controversy over how it would be resolved -- it was decided that Anderson would withdraw due to him having less state majorities than Wallace.
By the third round, Debs' large canvas of state majorities evaporated after Bell accrued nearly the 270 required votes to win the election. However, falling 16 short, a situation emerged where Wallace's electors refused to shift over to someone else, creating a three-way deadlock. However, in the eleventh hour, Debs and Bell made an agreement to "share power", with Debs being Bell's Vice President.
Final Results
States in silver indicate a "deadlocked college", with no clear-cut majority. In these cases, there exists a tie.
John Bell / Eugene V. Debs (Popular Union) - 413 electoral votes
George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent) - 125 electoral votes
George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent) - 125 electoral votes
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