A Red Dawn: American Revolution and Rebirth
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I do like the inclusion of the raven in some of the Red AF and Army insignias; it seemed like, if the UASR were looking for a new national symbol to replace a more "imperialistic" eagle, the raven would fit.
Is it a Native American stylized Raven?
Among which Native people was/is Raven held in the most positive regard?
I'm thinking somewhere in the Pacific Northwest so they might have an iconic graphic design that might simplify very effectively into a logo for an ultramodern Red America that also respects its roots.
It might even come to become the image on the Air Force roundrel or whatever shape is adopted. (I know we went over this before and I plan to review but it would be hard to do that right now!)
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Looking online it does seem that the Northwest, especially the Puget Sound area, is the place that puts Raven most central in their mythos. So far though all the images I've found from those cultures are essentially of Raven's head.
Well, if they adopt some such totemic image say as Raven looking forward along the fuselage, at least it would be very distinct from anyone else's air force!
Among which Native people was/is Raven held in the most positive regard?
I'm thinking somewhere in the Pacific Northwest so they might have an iconic graphic design that might simplify very effectively into a logo for an ultramodern Red America that also respects its roots.
It might even come to become the image on the Air Force roundrel or whatever shape is adopted. (I know we went over this before and I plan to review but it would be hard to do that right now!)
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Looking online it does seem that the Northwest, especially the Puget Sound area, is the place that puts Raven most central in their mythos. So far though all the images I've found from those cultures are essentially of Raven's head.
Well, if they adopt some such totemic image say as Raven looking forward along the fuselage, at least it would be very distinct from anyone else's air force!
strategos?
Generalissimus?
SO COOL
I find it more interesting that the lowest flag rank (if I'm reading this right) in the Red Air Force is "Commander." Getting a little Battlestar action in there, Jello?
The UASR Red Air Force carries over pre-war UASF ranks; ITTL because of longer participation in WW1, the US Army Air Services undergoes RAF-style reforms into an independent air-arm back in the Teens. They adopt broadly Naval-inspired ranks instead of borrowing the Army from which they grew up in, as in the OTL post-WW2 USAF.
Which will have interesting ramifications in SF. I mean, if you thought space forces were overly inspired by the navy now, when you partially remove the only really credible alternative model that we can think of...
Without Canada, the equivalent of NORAD might be an independent air defense arm of the armed forces, just like in the USSR. Ditto for SAC/STRATCOM a la the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces.
Contrariwise, the USMC is largely reactionary in this period, and does not get a chance to become Army Junior like IOTL. Rather good ol' Smedley Butler founds and organizes the Naval Infantry of the American Workers' and Smallfarmers' Red Navy.
Contrariwise, the USMC is largely reactionary in this period, and does not get a chance to become Army Junior like IOTL. Rather good ol' Smedley Butler founds and organizes the Naval Infantry of the American Workers' and Smallfarmers' Red Navy.
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Will there ever be another update on this timeline?
Will there ever ber another update on this timeline? I love it, but seriously, there hasn't been one in 3 months. There hasn't been a large update in 5 months. If it is not going to continue, thats fine, but please, just tell us.
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Will there ever ber another update on this timeline? I love it, but seriously, there hasn't been one in 3 months. There hasn't been a large update in 5 months. If it is not going to continue, thats fine, but please, just tell us.
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The updates have been on hiatus due to revisions, which have been taking longer than expected. The good news is that next week is my spring break, which means I'll get some work done at least.
Good, I look forward to any updates you can put out. I really love this timeline, I just want to see it continue. It really is fantastic, one of my favorites on the site. Its even influenced my political views to some degree, just the idea of a successful, democratic, fully communist America. Would I have become a socialist without it, most likely, but it did help. So anyway, thank you for creating it, Jello.
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Any chance of the revisions that have already been finished to be posted sometime soon?
I really like the Barry Goldwater piece. One wonders if various crank right-groups that clung to OTL's Goldwater candidacy will still exist underground in the Continental U.S. among the crypto-right. Secret Birchers? Or maybe they could be the fascist mass organizations in Cuba.
In the first draft, he was a prisoner at Alcatraz, I thought.
I, personally, can't wait to hear/write about the growing mass organizations, especially unions, and the growing libertarian, anti-party, increasingly anarchist left within them. I'm sure the success with which the bourgeois state represses the party and union bureaucracy, as well as yellow socialists' vacilitating encourages people to encourage more classic OTL Red Wobbly-ism, anarcho-syndicalism, direct action, and direct workers' democracy and mass strike revolutionary politics, against the elements in the party moving toward the Kautsky (and subsequently, Lenin and later even Stalin) party politics.
In the first draft, he was a prisoner at Alcatraz, I thought.
I, personally, can't wait to hear/write about the growing mass organizations, especially unions, and the growing libertarian, anti-party, increasingly anarchist left within them. I'm sure the success with which the bourgeois state represses the party and union bureaucracy, as well as yellow socialists' vacilitating encourages people to encourage more classic OTL Red Wobbly-ism, anarcho-syndicalism, direct action, and direct workers' democracy and mass strike revolutionary politics, against the elements in the party moving toward the Kautsky (and subsequently, Lenin and later even Stalin) party politics.
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Oh, he still is/was. But if you recall, there was a wave of amnesties granted after WW2. Goldwater had his sentence commuted to time served then.
For every Congressman or nationally-renown SLP figure locked up, you can bet there's over a dozen anarchist agitators in the public square locked up or beaten damn near to death.