A Red Dawn: American Revolution and Rebirth

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The Left Democrats are very interesting as well. Everything that Christianity should be, I should say. ;)
 
Aranfan

Aranfan

I noticed that there are 2 rightward parties and 3 leftward parties, and no party of the Center.

Probably because the SEU is a pretty one issue party.
 

Teleology

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I think some folks should volunteer and do some of these things for the parties:

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Aranfan

Aranfan

Anarchists are against electioneering. They think it does nothing but corrupt the people trying to change the system. Considering the history of the various Labour Parties, I'm inclined to see them as correct.
 
Aelita

Aelita

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Excerpts from the AH.com thread "What Irks me about WWII Fiction"

AdmiralSanders said:
Okay, this has been bothering me for a while, and really, it's a whole lot broader than just alternate history, it's something that comes up in all fiction and documentaries on the subject to some extent or the other.

First of all, the Second World War was not a one man show. We didn't show up after 41 and suddenly bring the Jerries to their knees. The Second World War was a collective effort involving every nation that had the decency to not be jackbooted Nazi thugs. Yeah, I know, hard to believe, but the Empire didn't just sweep in and save the world single-handedly.

If anyone gets the credit for fighting the Nazi hordes, it's the Americans and the Soviets. They're the ones who bled the ground red trying to contain the Nazis. 80% of the war's casualties occurred on the Eastern Front. But what history of the war do we learn in schools, and see in movies?

Apparently, the war begins with the fall of Metropolitan France. The Battles of Vilnius, Minsk and Kiev are seldom if ever mentioned. Neither are the Sieges of Leningrad or Sevestapol. Or the Fall of Stalingrad, or the epic Soviet-American last stands at Moscow and Baku.

We don't hear of American involvement in the liberation of Palestine and North Africa. Apparently we Brits and Frenchmen did that on our own, in spite of International command being placed to an American general for the entire campaign.

Which brings me to my next point, which is more specific to Uchronia: The number of "take thats" against the Soviets or the Americans is ridiculous. And it's pretty simple: if you want to stop the spread of international revolution, the Nazis are probably your weapon of choice.

But I'm sorry, I don't care how bad you think the Soviets or Americans are, or how bad of an idea you think international socialist revolution is: they are the lesser evils. It's like in Mobile Suit Gundam: if you're not an insane Zeon fanboy, you root for the Federation. It's not because the Federation are particularly nice. They're hardcore internationalist socialists, just like the Americans and Soviets in the Second World War. But Zeon is far worse, and that's all that really matters.
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flibbertygibbet said:
I'm glad someone else is as pissed off about Zeon fanboys as I am...

But in all seriousness, I agree wholeheartedly. It's shameful what a half-century of Cold War and reactionary opportunism has done to our own sense of history. Entire chapters of history practically erased from public consciousness... it's disgraceful really.

Don't find myself agreeing with you very often. Keep up the critical thinking, we'll make a good socialist out of you yet.
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AdmiralSanders said:
Oh not even close, flibbertygibbet :p Granted, I'd give you my means of reproduction any day, but I'm sorry, but the means of production are staying right where they are.

Also, I didn't know you were a Gundam fan. Admittedly, it's my favorite World War II allegory in Sci-Fi. Though, you did say you were a fan of the fourth season of the original Star Trek, and that's when Heinlein debuted the mobile infantry. It's fascinating really, how differently Americans do TV and movies. Everything is designed by committee. I'm sure Roddenberry, Mack Reynolds and Heinlein must have butted heads a lot making that show.
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LeninsBeard said:
And it looks like AdmiralSanders got distracted and sent off on a tangent. Again. Seriously, is there a subject you aren't knowledgeable enough to comment on?

Anyway, I suppose it happens for us as well, though from what I can tell it doesn't seem to be as bad. Our history here really plays of the whole "International struggle against fascism" angle, even if it means sharing the limelight with countries who are now the official enemy.
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AdmiralSanders said:
Hey, it's not my fault that Norma Jean Baker plays a ridiculously awesome and sexy starship captain! :mad:
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DeOpressoLiber said:
And AdmiralSanders finally admits he is a human being...

Actually, enough with the teasing. You seem to have loosened up quite a bit recently. Anything new going on for the sudden change?
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TacticalNuclearPenguin said:
He said in another thread that he just started taking anti-depressants. Apparently it's making a quite the difference for him.

On the subject of Captain Kirk's breasts, it looks like we're in agreement. And on the subject of history, well, it's not like any reasonable person can disagree. And yet the cynical abuse of history continues.
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Shogo

Well, I've been reading this for awhile. Might as well toss my own bit in.

This is definitely an interesting timeline. Fun to read and the little peeks into TTL AH.com always get a good laugh.

That being said . . . Sieg Zeon!
 

wolf_brother

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HOLY :eek:

I'd love to see a TL of a joint-Star Trek project by Roddenberry, Mack Reynolds and Heinlein. Please someone tell me they are working on this.

Great update Jello :D
 
Aelita

Aelita

wolf_brother said:
HOLY :eek:

I'd love to see a TL of a joint-Star Trek project by Roddenberry, Mack Reynolds and Heinlein. Please someone tell me they are working on this.

Great update Jello :D
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Oh don't worry, I wouldn't drop that bomb without preparing to see it through.

It will be fleshed out later, both in this TL and as a separate sub project.
 
Aelita

Aelita

Aranfan said:
You mentioned that you used to be an anarchist. What made you stop?
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It's less a change of belief than a change of how I interpreted my core beliefs.

The biggest reason I left anarchism is because I felt it was a uselessly sectarian term. I don't think the image of the bomb-throwing anarchist or pot-smoking hippy is something that can be easily dispelled, and unfortunately many modern anarchists have actively promoted those stereotypes.

I've also become more ambivalent about the state. I'm not the only anarchist in history to consider the state the lesser evil, or argue for strengthening the state in certain cases (welfare comes to mind, corporate governance is another). Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn and such have all enunciated the same idea.

I do not fault them for holding to the term anarchist either. I don't have any enmity towards anarchism either, like some people do when they abandon ideologies. I still consider myself a fellow-traveler of the anarcho-syndicalist tradition, but I've come to realize that a broader, non-sectarian libertarian socialism is the most constructive option.

Ideally, I'd convince the remnants of the Marxist-Leninist left to take up this position (which is the long-term project that I've committed to. You can't say I have no ambition, lol). But for right now, work and college are the big things that rule my life, so I don't have as much time for philosphizing, which is kind of hard work. But, writing uchronic history is fun and serves as a handy mental exercise in practical politics.
 

pieman3141

Heinleinian Star Trek? What the hell would that even look like? Is Roddenberry still the vague pacifist? What would the Federation (assuming Heinlein writes about the Fed) look like? Crazy, dude.
 
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