Clinton says No to Monica Lewinsky in 1995

[clintonforever]

We all know Bill Clinton gave in to Monica's Lewinsky's request for an affair with him but suppose he had the moral grounding to say "I'm sorry Ms. Lewisnsky, I'm the President and if you don't leave I'll have to call the Secret Service to escort you out" that November 1995 during the government shutdown.

We would been spared the Starr investigation that followed. Whitewater would've gone on and the Paula Jones mess would have been settled, but no impeachment proceeding would've occured.

Clinton would've gotten more legislation passed though Congress and had a better relationship with Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott.

Al Gore would probably be the 43rd president. Whether 9/11 would still occur is another story.

 

[RCAF Brat]

Don't you mean what if Monica had said no to Bill?

 

[Ion_StormH]

George W. Bush dies and enters Hell.

There, the devil leaves him with three doors to open, either showing a different punishment for all eternity. Bush will have to choose one.

Bush opens the first door and sees Napoleon being slaughtered to death by several midgets and then sewed together again while still being 'alive'.

The devils says: "This is a neverending circle Mr Bush... "

Bush gulps and opens the second door and sees Hitler being plunged into burning lava, then pulled out again, and plunged into the lava again, also 'alive'.

The devil says: "This is a neverending circle as well Mr Bush..."

Bush opens the third door, terrifyed. Then, he sees how Bill Clinton gets a blowjob from Monica Lewinsky. Bush suddenly starts to laugh and tells the devil: "Well, if this is your sense of eternal punishment.. I'll take door three!

The devil says: "Allright, Monica. You can leave."

 

[Silver Priest]

Serious question: If Clinton had refused to get involved with Monica, wouldn’t that indicate his whole personality would be different, and he’d be a radically different person then the man we all know and love? Can we still assume Gennifer Flowers and all his other alleged affairs happened? Would him of having had greater… “willpower” have changed any decisions he made during his presidency? Is he more combative with the Republican congress, for example?

I realize this might be a bit of a stretch, but It is something interesting to think about, I believe.

 

[Kosovic]

Yeah if that happened Serbia would be pretty much intact, and Clinton wouldnt have to bomb an innocent country to avoid the media attention.

 

[Nikephoros]

George W. Bush dies and enters Hell.

There, the devil leaves him with three doors to open, either showing a different punishment for all eternity. Bush will have to choose one.

Bush opens the first door and sees Napoleon being slaughtered to death by several midgets and then sewed together again while still being 'alive'.

The devils says: "This is a neverending circle Mr Bush... "

Bush gulps and opens the second door and sees Hitler being plunged into burning lava, then pulled out again, and plunged into the lava again, also 'alive'.

The devil says: "This is a neverending circle as well Mr Bush..."

Bush opens the third door, terrifyed. Then, he sees how Bill Clinton gets a blowjob from Monica Lewinsky. Bush suddenly starts to laugh and tells the devil: "Well, if this is your sense of eternal punishment.. I'll take door three!

The devil says: "Allright, Monica. You can leave."

Does that do anything to further this scenario?

 

[ZaphodBeeblebrox]

Does that do anything to further this scenario?

No, But it's REALLY Funny ...

I Often Joke with a Friend that his Punishment in Hell, will be Fucking The Guy, in Charge of Fucking Hitler ...

As for The OP, Sooner or Later, House Republicans are Gonna Make somethin' Stick; They had it in for him, from 20 January '93, On!

 

[Doctor What]

As for The OP, Sooner or Later, House Republicans are Gonna Make somethin' Stick; They had it in for him, from 20 January '93, On!

I have to agree with the Z-Man here -- The Republicans had a hardon to tarnish Clinton's name from day one (not like he didn't make it easy for them ).

Seriously --aside from Monica --there was Whitewater, Filegate, Vince Foster's death, Cattlegate, Indonesiagate, etc, etc -- sooner or later something was going to stick to him.

 

[SirAshfordFanrico]

Well basically, if there had been no affair, two whole years wouldn't have been absorbed by THIS scandal, but that still leaves plenty of other girls who were coming forward, not to mention the Whitewater situation, Waco Texas, etc. etc. to potentially take it's place.

So Clinton's record would still end up tarnished, but MAYBE not to the point it was with the Lewinsky Scandal, and thus he'd probably not end up impeached. But I seriously doubt that would've had any real concrete effects upon the '00 election. The only change to that was MAYBE Al Gore wouldn't have distanced himself too much from Bill Clinton like he did.

 

[wolfstar]

So Clinton's record would still end up tarnished, but MAYBE not to the point it was with the Lewinsky Scandal, and thus he'd probably not end up impeached. But I seriously doubt that would've had any real concrete effects upon the '00 election. The only change to that was MAYBE Al Gore wouldn't have distanced himself too much from Bill Clinton like he did.

Gore would have won the election then.

 

[SirAshfordFanrico]

Gore would have won the election then.

Well that's debateable... because not everyone liked Bill Clinton at the time. Even without the Lewinsky situation, there would still be things people wouldn't like about the guy, specially after 8 years.

AND as I said, even without the Lewinksy situation, he'd still have plenty of women coming forward talking about affairs with him. Specially women like Paula Jones, who probably would've taken Lewinksy's place in events. So he'd still have a tarnished reputation. Would he still be impeached? I dunno... Lewinsky's situation sorta took center stage in the OTL, so who knows how good a case Jones would've had?

Not trying to make a flame war here about the merits and misdeeds of Bill Clinton, but he's far from squeaky clean. Like any politician.

 

[Chengar Qordath]

Here's a random thought: What if not fixating on the Lewinsky scandal allows the Republicans to actually find something impeachment-worthy on Clinton?

 

[wolfstar]

Well that's debateable... because not everyone liked Bill Clinton at the time. Even without the Lewinsky situation, there would still be things people wouldn't like about the guy, specially after 8 years.

Clinton was well liked despite the Lewinsky scandal. Without it he would have been leaving as one of the most popular presidents in history. And this is coming from a guy who was never a fan of Clinton.

Gore came extremely close to winning. A little more good will towards Clinton/Gore and we would be blaming him for screwing up Iraq today.

AND as I said, even without the Lewinksy situation, he'd still have plenty of women coming forward talking about affairs with him. Specially women like Paula Jones, who probably would've taken Lewinksy's place in events. So he'd still have a tarnished reputation. Would he still be impeached? I dunno... Lewinsky's situation sorta took center stage in the OTL, so who knows how good a case Jones would've had?

Nothing he did rose to level of a felony like the lieing under oath.

Now with Pula Jones: He did sexual herashash her, but it was 10-15 years before and it did not rise to the level of a criminal complaint. He never would have been brought up on charges for it.

 

[Snowfire]

We never would have seen John Goodman in drag on SNL

 

[aktarian]

Clinton saying no to sex? That belongs to ASB section.....

 

[ruisramos]

What? No Lewinsky/Clinton jokes?

That's the most depressing TL I've ever though of...

 

[Ak-84]

Clinton says no, he won't be Bill would he.

 

[Chengar Qordath]

Clinton was well liked despite the Lewinsky scandal. Without it he would have been leaving as one of the most popular presidents in history. And this is coming from a guy who was never a fan of Clinton.

I don't think the Lewinsky scandal really hurt his reputation all that badly in the long term; the public seemed more annoyed at Congress and the Republicans for making a major issue of it than at Clinton for having the affair in the first place. Certainly his reputation seems to have largely survived his presidency intact, with most people seeing his womanizing as little more than an amusing character flaw.

 

[wolfstar]

I don't think the Lewinsky scandal really hurt his reputation all that badly in the long term; the public seemed more annoyed at Congress and the Republicans for making a major issue of it than at Clinton for having the affair in the first place. Certainly his reputation seems to have largely survived his presidency intact, with most people seeing his womanizing as little more than an amusing character flaw.

It did hurt him with certain groups. It also caused him to screw up some foreign problems due to the amount of time he spent defending himself. Also people really don't like it when the president lies to them on national TV (See Bush II).

The impeachment did hurt the republican congress as well (not Bush).

The main point being is Gore distanced himself from Clinton and Clinton is one hell of a great campaigner. This very much cost him the election.

Having sex with other women was not Clinton's flaw, almost all people in power do this. Getting caught was. In an age of DNA testing, what kind of Fing moron lets the girl go home with semen on her dress.

The fact that Clinton was having sex with lots of women was never anything I minded (Hell, I would have done the same). The lieing under oath is the bit that I feel is unforgivible. I don't belive in letting people get away for crap that would land people like me in jail just because they have political power. The law should be the same for everyone.

 

[Ak-84]

Incidentally, I remember from the time. GWB was being touted as the candidate in 2000, and it was said the scandle and the way it was handled hurt the Republicans a lot, but it helped Republicans away from the limelight; like GWB. So maybe, W would not have become President. In OTL, he survived a scare from McCain, might not have done that then.