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Gods and Empires
Gods and Empires ![]() Trial of Iehochua the Nazarene Chapter I Quote:
Letters of Gnaeus Ambrusius ***** Nota Bene About dates: 783 AUC = 30 AD Last edited by galileo-034; July 1st, 2011 at 06:22 AM.. |
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Interesting, so in this TL Jesus starts the Roman Jewish war earlier with a swifter ending, changing if not butterflying Chirtianity completley.
But why would the Romans crown a new Jewish king? Judea was already a province with a Roman governer? |
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This brief uprising have not the scale of the war of 65-73. ITTL, Iehochua the Nazarene is betrayed by Iehudah of Kerioth before the attack upon Hierosolyma.
ITTL, Christiannism will never appear as Jesus is a warrior. |
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I beg for more!
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Why would the Romans crown a new king? its not like the Jews liked the last one? |
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This looks pretty good. I'm subscribing to this.
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So we will most prabably end up with Sol Invictus as the main Roman deity by AUC 1100.
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For Judea and Samaria, it's less certain. |
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Oh my god! I think you just ruined Christianity. Not sure whether to laugh of cry. I'll settle for this..
![]() ![]() ![]() Anyway, brilliant. Like to see where this goes.
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![]() King Herod Agrippa Ist Chapter II Quote:
Kings of Asia by Publius Orestes ***** Nota Bene About dates: 787 AUC = 34 AD Last edited by galileo-034; July 1st, 2011 at 06:23 AM.. |
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This is exceptionally written. The update is amazing. Please continue.
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So, the Jesus Analogue gets more militant, gets offed, and now we're talking a longer, renewed Herodian dynasty? Hells Yes!
Subscribed.
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galileo-034
Interesting. Short chapters but effective and a lot happening. No major butterflies noticeable yet, although Nero might need to find another scrap-goat if the fire still occurs in Rome shortly. However, since Jesus was a short lived military leader and his main followers hunted down we have the small factor of no Christianity, which is going to be big latter on. Will we still have a Jewish revolt or will that be butterflied by the revived Herodican dynasty? If so what future for the Jewish kingdom? Will a later emperor swallow it, or some Jewish monarch of religious leader get too confident of his position and do something rash. Steve |
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In the next update, you will see the first noticeable differences from OTL.
There will be an ATL version of the revolt of 65-73, a revolt only delayed ITTL. |
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![]() Death of Cornelius Caesar Chapter III Quote:
Letters of Gnaeus Ambrusius ***** Nota Bene About dates: 801 AUC = 48 AD 817 AUC = 64 AD 823 AUC = 70 AD Last edited by galileo-034; July 7th, 2011 at 01:31 PM.. |
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Comments?
This is the first great difference from OTL. |
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galileo-034
Must admit that I don't know enough of the background to tell that much apart from the fact that a different scrapegoat is found for the file and Nero doesn't become emperor immediately after Claudius. Unless this is a different Nero, it was a rather common name. Hope so as the OTL was such a disaster. A couple of points I'm unclear of in the text. When you say "In 801, he intrigued against the empress. Messalina and her lover, the consul Gaius Silius, accused of plotting the death of Caesar were executed. On the advice of his trusted secretary, he married Aelia Paetina, whom he had divorced some years before" who is the he? Is that Claudius remarrying or Narcissus? Also when you say "Several years before, the second son of Caesar, him, was died of apoplexy" did you mean to insert a name here? It sounds like Nero's mother Agrippina married Claudius's son Drusus rather than Claudius himself? Steve |
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Excuse me, I forgot to include a notice.
The Caesar's second son is the OTL Britannicus. As I think that the cognomen would be given to Drusus since he is still alive, and as I didn't know what name he thus would have, I prefered to not name him. The 'him' you've mentionned is an error of writing, and I've corrected it; thanks. IOTL, Iulia Agrippina, nicknamed 'the Younger', married Claudius Caesar. However, ITTL, the first son of Claudius Caesar survives, but he died IOTL in adolescence (Claudius XXVII, Life of the twelve Caesars). I hadn't date, but with the elements I have, 30 AD seems to me a good approximation; so, after the POD. So, Iulia Agrippina married Claudius Drusus and not his father ITTL. I think they had about the same age. The Nero of this TL is their son. But remember the ATL character of Domitia Agrippina. ITTL, instead of having a son with Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus, she has a daughter. EDIT: Faustus Cornelius Sulla Felix, Lucius Iunius Silanus and their wedding to Claudius' daughters are OTL. IOTL, however, they are victims of intrigues from Agrippina the Younger. Last edited by galileo-034; June 26th, 2011 at 07:55 AM.. |
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![]() Battle of Rhandeia Chapter IV Quote:
Letters of Gnaeus Ambrusius ***** Nota Bene About dates: 787 AUC = 34 AD 804 AUC = 51 AD 811 AUC = 58 AD 815 AUC = 62 AD 816 AUC = 63 AD Excepted the presence of Claudius Caesar, all this chapter is OTL. Last edited by galileo-034; July 18th, 2011 at 01:45 PM.. |
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As you've surely noted it, this TL begins to diverge from OTL, but in the form and content, there are no many differences.
My objective for this TL is not to have a roman empire which lasts until our days, but to have stronger roman rump states, and a more romanized world. So, I will follow roughly the same historical movements (prosperity in second century, military anarchy in the third). The main difference will really appear in the fourth century, due the absence of christianism. An exemple is the survival of the Library of Alexandria. The next update which will be about a less brutal and more total conquest of Britannia is one of the first important step towards my objective. The more total conquest of Dacia I've mentionned and that I will develop in future updates is an other important step. Comments? |
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