Yo me bajo en Atocha: a Spanish political TLIAD
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Goldstein
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That's such an intriguing T-shirt.
Oltra has a thing for striking T-shirts. In that case, "salida" is a play on words. It means "exit", but also a woman who only thinks about sex.
Goldstein
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Aguirre as a presidencial candidate is something interesting and scary enough, yes, but it was too obvious. Besides, I didn't want to go with a dystopian tone... though I don't know if people will agree that the tone is not dystopian when I post the icing on the cake.
I can't think of any woman in the PSOE that would make it dystopian...
Maybe not dystopian, but definitely incompetent and gauche divine, like Leire Pajín or Bibiana Aído... Chacón just doesn't seem that bad a candidate. Díaz as a candidate is scary though.
Apart from Pajín and Aído I could name Susana Díaz (an obscure apparatchik), Rosa Díez (with more ego than votes) and Elena Salgado (a devout liberal).I can't think of any woman in the PSOE that would make it dystopian...
But, if you want to make it totally apocalyptic...one of Zapatero's daughters!
Dr. Strangelove
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Obviously, it's going to be Aguirre who has somehow weaseled her way to the top of the PSOE.
One does not simply get rid of the Aguirre.
I am not sure Britain can handle the Beiras. The man is truly a force of nature. Here he is, talking shit to the President two years ago during a parliamentary debate.
My dad had him as a teacher in college in the late 70's. He agrees that a) he is by far the most intelligent and knowledgeable person he's ever met and b) his problem is that he is always by far the most intelligent and knowledgeable person in the room and he knows it.
One does not simply get rid of the Aguirre.
I am not sure Britain can handle the Beiras. The man is truly a force of nature. Here he is, talking shit to the President two years ago during a parliamentary debate.
My dad had him as a teacher in college in the late 70's. He agrees that a) he is by far the most intelligent and knowledgeable person he's ever met and b) his problem is that he is always by far the most intelligent and knowledgeable person in the room and he knows it.
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Spanish politics wouldn't be the same without Aguirre, The Wrath of God, but I'm really hoping that in this TL Diez Minutos published the exclusive of the love affair between Espe and a relativelly obscure Political Science lefty proffessor named Juan Carlos Monedero.
Goldstein
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Actually, she's dating Vargas Llosa
Monedero is indeed a relatively obscure professor and columnist, while Iglesias is a lefty pundit (which is a thing ITTL (No, Wyoming and other Gauche Divine types don't count as OTL examples)).Goldstein
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1. SPANISH SOCIALIST WORKER’S PARTY – ROSA DÍEZ
Let’s not be excessively wide-eyed here: Rosa’s ardent defense of the Compromise, in stark contrast to the passive-aggressive approach of Cifuentes, has little to do with her ideals and a lot to do with her personal trajectory. She was, as far back as 2008, one of the most vehement inner sources of criticism that the Zapatero administration faced, and it was easy for her to publicly read it as the last resort of a people who had been unable to channel its political aspirations due to the cabinet’s incompetence. And who could doubt she made the best use of it that she could? When ZP was kindly suggested to remove most of his ministerial team, she didn’t get some secondary ministry where she could be less of a disturbance, but the goddamned vice-presidency. It was a claudication on Zapatero’s part, a painful rope around his neck that closed when the E-primaries of 2014 gave an smashing victory to the Rose of Spain as the 2016 candidate.
And, in spite of all the hate he has got all these years, in the end what most people feel is much closer to pity. It’s hard to look at the soon-not-to-be Prime Minister’s hoary and haggard face and not to think that, for him, 20 years have passed since the Hot Fall, not just three. But now he barely makes public appearances, while the vice president constantly refers in her meetings to the “internal revolution” that is to come. A process that has already started with the E-primaries, that she will combine with a strictly meritocratic criteria regarding candidacies. For her political adversaries, that just means marking the dices to ensure that, whatever the scrutiny, her control of the party will be total all the time. Her aggressive, a-bit-too-sure-of-herself attitude, cannot but convey this impression. But for many voters, it’s her kind of strong leadership what the country needs, what the PSOE needs to really atone for these lost years. And she also attracts that part of the critical left that doesn’t feel comfortable with the model of Spain that Oltra proposes, nor with the idea of letting Euskadi go without a fight.
Indeed, not only she has called to stop the Prozesua with all the force of the State (if anything, her Basque origin makes her a popular counterargument against many Nationalists), but has also expressed her disgust towards the 2009 Estatut, surpassing even the PP in that regard. Of course, she argues that it’s not out of the rancid Spanish Nationalism of the right-wing, but out of equating the nation to the citizenry, without distinctions. In any case, you don’t even need to read the small letter of her federal proposal to understand it means the opposite of Federalism: it means pruning the Autonomous Communities to the bone. She has even managed to introduce her Civic Federalism in the Catalan parliament: the new leader of the PSC is a strong adherent of Rosa, a young and charismatic man called Albert Rivera... but he will have to work a lot for his party to recover the relevance of the Tripartito years, and even that might not be enough. Besides, this can form cracks between the executive and some of the federations, mainly that of the Canary Islands, supported by left-wing Insularist parties, but also the Galician one.
The real campaign will start right after Christmas holidays (the Chritsmas Eve’s family dinners promise to be a bit more interesting than usual this year), but the campaign atmosphere can be felt in the air already. All pieces are in their side of the board, and a lot will be decided in the course of the next two months. The final result will show all of us into what kind of country Spain has turned after the Compromise. Long story made short, the die is cast. Que Dios reparta suerte.
FIN.
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Oh boy... that's cataclysmic for the PSOE in the autonomies where there's strong nationalism/autonomism.
Does she still make the same gaffe about "being Galician" ITTL?
Btw, i remember you had posted an electoral map. Are you going to repost it?
In summary, great AH work! I've enjoyed the ride a lot. Thanks a lot!
Does she still make the same gaffe about "being Galician" ITTL?
Btw, i remember you had posted an electoral map. Are you going to repost it?
In summary, great AH work! I've enjoyed the ride a lot. Thanks a lot!
Goldstein
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Oh boy... that's cataclysmic for the PSOE in the autonomies where there's strong nationalism/autonomism.
Does she still make the same gaffe about "being Galician" ITTL?
Btw, i remember you had posted an electoral map. Are you going to repost it?
In summary, great AH work! I've enjoyed the ride a lot. Thanks a lot!
Thanks, Jotabe, it was my pleasure. And to think I've finally finished a work on this site! And it only took me ten years of membership!
She did not make that gaffe, but most of the Galician left has seen her program and said "thanks, but go **** yourself". Now the force of Beiras in Galicia is, I hope, better understood.
Not only I'm going to repost it: I'm going to correct it and remake it, in a much better quality. Stay tuned! Yes, I say that a lot
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Goldstein
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Well, it's a TLIAD, a Timeline In A Day. It lasted three days, so it was even too much.
I'm sorry if that disappointed you, really, but I'll do more in the future, and they will be longer and more detailed.
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Goldstein
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Hmmm... you gave me an idea about how to deal with it. Maybe this is not over yet.
I mean, it is, but I'll add something as a bonus besides the map.
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This TLIAD needs a prequel, about the events that led to the Comrpomise.
I was thinking about it. It's important to note the role played both by the anti-war movement after the intervention in Irak and the anti-PP mobilization after the Atocha terrorist attacks and the government lies, to create the founding networks that marked the social movments in 2000's Spain till their final eclossion in the 15-M. Many important actors in DRY and Juventud sin Futuro, other activists like Ada Colau, El Patio Maravillas, Can Batllò etc (though most of them anonymous) met for the first time in those mobilizations, and also tried new ways for propaganda and political action (new technologies, but also a new language) with the learnings from the 90's always very present. What about this in this TL? The lessons taken in those early years of the century was that it was possible to reach the masses, and that new situations mean new tactics, always an step before the regime.
I was thinking about it. It's important to note the role played both by the anti-war movement after the intervention in Irak and the anti-PP mobilization after the Atocha terrorist attacks and the government lies, to create the founding networks that marked the social movments in 2000's Spain till their final eclossion in the 15-M. Many important actors in DRY and Juventud sin Futuro, other activists like Ada Colau, El Patio Maravillas, Can Batllò etc (though most of them anonymous) met for the first time in those mobilizations, and also tried new ways for propaganda and political action (new technologies, but also a new language) with the learnings from the 90's always very present. What about this in this TL? The lessons taken in those early years of the century was that it was possible to reach the masses, and that new situations mean new tactics, always an step before the regime.
Goldstein
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That sounds great. It's a bit of a shame that I only know about that the very basics (pretty much what you said in your post and nothing else), but I can document myself. My idea was that said movements still grew ITTL. Not in their exact same form, but in spite of 11-M not happening, the anti-war platforms had lots of ground to grow from 2004 to 2008. It's true that how it all got violent had little to do with them but with the circumstances, but said circumstances also made the atmosphere to be quite more charged, even between themselves, to start with. I'll PM you.
A PP Andalusia? Now this timeline has jumped the shark!
Kidding, just kidding, this timeline is great.
Kidding, just kidding, this timeline is great.