Germany takes Amiens and Hazeboruck in 1918, and eventually theyd take the channel ports and Rheims too. France’s governement falls and is replaced with pacifists who start negociations, the rest of the entente joins.US is still in and the peace is mediated by the pope.

What would the terms of the peace be?
 
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Worst case for the Allies is an armistice followed by a peace conference, France wouldn't do it separate, but it could force Britain, America, Italy etc. to all do an armistice together with them, and once there is an armistice it would be hard to restart if peace negotiations failed.

Since there is no way to force USA and Britain to peace, Allies would have considerable leverage still, they would not have to agree to anything worse than pre war status quo for France, Britain, but Germany keeping gains in the east is a big win for them, even if worst case they had to give up their colonies all of which were with far less than just one Baltic country.
 
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You are not describing a stalemate but an Entente surrender.
Its also complete ridiculous that the french would throw in the towel in 1918 when the US had joined the war and Germany was on its last legs and would have spent their last drop of blood just reaching the channel ports.
 
Germany takes Amiens and Hazeboruck in 1918, and eventually theyd take the channel ports and Rheims too. France’s governement falls and is replaced with pacifists who start negociations, the rest of the entente joins.US is still in and the peace is mediated by the pope.

What would the terms of the peace be?
It's hard to know if the French would really crack, even if virtually everything goes right for the Germans. By 1918, they're really bleeding out on the homefront with the aftershocks of the Turnip Winter and the continuing strangulation of the British Blockade. A successful Kaiserschlacht could buy the Germans a few more months.

The one thing that's averted for sure is that the Imperial German Army doesn't immediately detonate. The mass casualties of the OTL unsuccessful Spring Offensive and the Double Whammie of the Kiel Mutiny was the straw the finally broke the camel's back.
 
The one thing that's averted for sure is that the Imperial German Army doesn't immediately detonate.
From what I remember one of the reasons the Spring Offensive failed was that when the German Army overran Allies supply depots the ordinary soldiers abandoned their discipline in order to loot them and get something decent to eat and boots that weren't made of cardboard. This in turn led to a collapse of moral when those troops realised that unlike what they'd been told the Entente nations weren't enduring even worse hardships than Germany. Even if the Germans somehow reached the Channel ports these things aren't going to change and may get worse with the Germans capturing civilian areas as well as military depots.
 
The mass casualties of the OTL unsuccessful Spring Offensive
The mass casualties would be equally present with a successful Spring offensive. Going on the offensive on the Western Front in WW1 was costly, no matter who did it or how. Even if the Germans (somehow) manage to push the British back and take the rail depots, the German army will be a much reduced force afterwards.
 
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From what I remember one of the reasons the Spring Offensive failed was that when the German Army overran Allies supply depots the ordinary soldiers abandoned their discipline in order to loot them and get something decent to eat and boots that weren't made of cardboard.
For sure, reminds me of when in the latest rendition of All Quiet on the Western Front the Germans start devouring left behind French rations in the middle of a firefight.
The mass casualties would be equally present with a successful Spring offensive. Going on the offensive on the Western Front in WW1 was costly, no matter who did it or how. Even if the Germans (somehow) mange to push the British back and take the rail depots, the German army will be a much reduced force afterwards.
Oh of course, defeat is still likely even if all goes to plan. A decent deal of damage on the BEF and French Army may buy some time as they sit and recover, but I see few opportunities in 1918 for the Germans to pull something out of the bag that slightly resembles a victory.
 
Oh of course, defeat is still likely even if all goes to plan. A decent deal of damage on the BEF and French Army may buy some time as they sit and recover, but I see few opportunities in 1918 for the Germans to pull something out of the bag that slightly resembles a victory.
What does it actually get Germany though. A few months extra, another winter made worse by the British blockade and Germany's allies collapsing in Autumn and complete defeat in the face of the Allies spring 1919 offensive with millions of fresh US troops added to the experienced Anglo-French and an overwhelming technological superiority.
 
Did the German army even have the ability to move on the channel ports if Ameins fell? Wouldn't they be open to naval shelling? Aren't the Americans still flooding in?
 
What does it actually get Germany though. A few months extra, another winter made worse by the British blockade and Germany's allies collapsing in Autumn and complete defeat in the face of the Allies spring 1919 offensive with millions of fresh US troops added to the experienced Anglo-French and an overwhelming technological superiority.
Very likely, best case, the Allies to recover from this successful German offensive pull a few (more) divisions out of Italy, Salonika and Palestine, as well as delaying their own counter offensive until 1919. Maybe if the Germans take the Bethune coal mines, coal has to be imported from the USA to replace the lost French sources delaying the Allied build up.

But yes the April 1919 Allied offensive would be on all fronts, (except Italy maybe due to spring rains) and would be a crushing Allied success. Perhaps delays caused by German successes push this offensive out to July 1919 (including Italy now).

Smart Germany would use their time of relative strength and maybe the long winter period to negotiate the best terms they can, maybe if they agreed to give up their colonies, Alsace-Lorraine and agree to naval limitations, and private party compensation in Belgium and France for damages, and announce their willingness to do this publicly, maybe the Allies wouldn't be so willing to go over the top, take hundreds of thousands of casualties, maybe the politics for the Allies get difficult. Maybe the Germans get to keep some of the new arrangements in the east, don't have to demilitarize the army, avoid extensive reparations, and win a long game victory in practice. Could Germany be this smart???

(Britain if she gets all the colonial gains OTL, massive limitations on German naval strength (like 35% of Britain), Germany out of Belgium, France in Alsace Lorraine, is it really worth the extra blood and treasure and unknown fortunes of war)
 
Britain if she gets all the colonial gains OTL, massive limitations on German naval strength (like 35% of Britain), Germany out of Belgium, France in Alsace Lorraine, is it really worth the extra blood and treasure and unknown fortunes of war
"This is not Peace. It is an Armistice for ten years."

If Germany keeps its holding in the east at the expense of returning AL theres nothing stopping germany from just rebuilding itself and trying again like they did OTL, only this time with every more resources and while starting from a stronger position to begin with. And a weaker France

Admittedly having that offer publicly aired could make things politically tricky for Britain with its people but I don't imagine there was much incentive to take 1918 Germany at its word or to believe they would honour the treaty long term. Belgium was a sign of what Germany thought of such things
 
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"This is not Peace. It is an Armistice for ten years."

If Germany keeps its holding in the east at the expense of returning AL theres nothing stopping germany from just rebuilding itself and trying again like they did OTL, only this time with every more resources and while starting from a stronger position to begin with. And a weaker France

Admittedly having that offer publicly aired could make things politically tricky for Britain with its people but I don't imagine there was much incentive to take 1918 Germany at its word or to believe they would honour the treaty long term. Belgium was a sign of what Germany thought of such things
Almost every government acted duplicitously. Especially among the major powers. This wasn't unique to the Germans.
 
For sure, reminds me of when in the latest rendition of All Quiet on the Western Front the Germans start devouring left behind French rations in the middle of a firefight.
I remember seeing a documentary on WWI where an excerpt from a Uboat commanders memoirs are read in which he explains when he realised the war was lost,

He'd captured a British fishing boat late in 1917 and had been shocked to find that the boat was stocked with fine white bread and tins of thick creamy butter. Luxuries he hadn't seen in years and as he said these weren't high ranking officers or government officials, just ordinary working men.
 
I remember seeing a documentary on WWI where an excerpt from a Uboat commanders memoirs are read in which he explains when he realised the war was lost,

He'd captured a British fishing boat late in 1917 and had been shocked to find that the boat was stocked with fine white bread and tins of thick creamy butter. Luxuries he hadn't seen in years and as he said these weren't high ranking officers or government officials, just ordinary working men.
I recall one I read where a German officer during Michael setting up in a British dugout they had overrun noticed that the floor had been made level through the use of 'in date' cans of bully beef.
 

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If France sues for peace as per the OP they ill immediately stop cooperating with the British and Americans, so no trains, no dock workers unloading ships etc and they will demand the BEF and AEF leave France immediately. The BEF/AEF will either have to comply or occupy parts of France much like the Germans did when Italy changed sides in 1943. If they comply I'd suggest the Germans allow them to leave as part of the terms of an Armistice, but of they don't then the Germans will continue to fight them.

The Germans will demand that France flood Germany with whatever food and other goods they have on hand immediately, which will give Germany a slight but noticeable boost. The horrific conditions others have described will be alleviated to an extent as France is raided to top up Germany.

If the British and US decide to fight on then their blockade is in tatters, not only will Germany force France to hand over food and other good but they will be able to trade with Spain as well. The blockade lines set up in the Dover Narrows will be bypassed, German long range guns will begin to shell Dover within a month making it untennable as a naval port. Entirely new blockade lines will have to be set up at the next narrowest naval chokepoint, the 90km wide strait between Cherbourg peninsula and Portland bill, triple the distance of the Dover Narrows. Does Britain have the willpower to fight on given the magnitude of the task and the impossibility of victory?
 
The Germans will demand that France flood Germany with whatever food and other goods they have on hand immediately,
Which will be answered with 'Le get bent' by the massive french army still in the field by 1918, the toppling of the pacifist government that even considers accepting this demand for mass french starving especially as the germans only just barely reached the channel ports in this PoD, and a immediate resumption of hostilities and ending with Germany collapsing finally in 1919 from the blockade.

After all with the US in the war, even if the french completely lose their minds and accept their armistice treaty (key word here - armistice - they are seeking terms, they haven't been conquered like in 1940) demanded starvation, who are the germans going to trade with that the British and Americans cant outbid by a hundred fold? Especially as discovered in Ukraine, trying to seize food for the homeland doesn't work when the army doing the raiding consumes the majority
 
"This is not Peace. It is an Armistice for ten years."

If Germany keeps its holding in the east at the expense of returning AL theres nothing stopping germany from just rebuilding itself and trying again like they did OTL, only this time with every more resources and while starting from a stronger position to begin with. And a weaker France

Admittedly having that offer publicly aired could make things politically tricky for Britain with its people but I don't imagine there was much incentive to take 1918 Germany at its word or to believe they would honour the treaty long term. Belgium was a sign of what Germany thought of such things
Well it was an armistice of 20 years OTL, so yes maybe, or maybe not, but Britain has about the same level of improved security here, no German colonies, no world wide submarine bases, red sea and Persian gulf have no strong enemy states on them to contest their control.
 
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