WI neutral Hungary during WW2.

Ameck16

Ameck16

WI after the first Vienna award and Slovak war Horthy does nothing more, and stays neutral when the war starts (no second Vienna award). How would the effect the war and if the war goes like it did in the otl would Hungary become be invaded by the USSR and turned into a communist state.
 

mlp

It's gonna be hard to achieve that neutrality when Nazi armies start marching in en route towards southern Russia.
I'm assuming they're gonna be in between, of course.
 
Opunium

Opunium

Big trouble for Germany. Romania stays stable and a remains a neutral democracy because it isnt sacrificed to Hungary and the Soviet Union. Hungary also stays neutral as you imply. Yugoslavia likely remains neutral as well since they wouldnt see a threat in Hungary and thus no coup of course. Germany and Italy would have a really hard time to invade Yugoslavia. Italy might not even join the axis. So Barbarossa is gonna be harder as well without Romania. But Germany does have more troops since Yugoslavia, Greece and North Africa do not happen. Even heavier Barbarossa?
 
Ameck16

Ameck16

Opunium said:
Big trouble for Germany. Romania stays stable and a remains a neutral democracy because it isnt sacrificed to Hungary and the Soviet Union. Hungary also stays neutral as you imply. Yugoslavia likely remains neutral as well since they wouldnt see a threat in Hungary and thus no coup of course. Germany and Italy would have a really hard time to invade Yugoslavia. Italy might not even join the axis. So Barbarossa is gonna be harder as well without Romania. But Germany does have more troops since Yugoslavia, Greece and North Africa do not happen. Even heavier Barbarossa?
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Wow all that because one man decided to call it quits.
 

kung Zog

Ameck16 said:
Wow all that because one man decided to call it quits.
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that or Hitler decides to disturb Hungary as much as possible, trying to get a pro-German regime instead of Horty. If Italy is on board with Germany they have very high economic leverage against Hungary. Support for an armed revolt in Transylvania might be attempted too. However, whether such actions succeed is far from given.
 

user23123

zeppelinair said:
It's gonna be hard to achieve that neutrality when Nazi armies start marching in en route towards southern Russia.
I'm assuming they're gonna be in between, of course.
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Not necessary,since a neutral Hungary could still allow the Germans to pass through,
the trouble will begin for Hungary if the end,having have the Nazis on one side the Soviets on the other.

kung Zog said:
that or Hitler decides to disturb Hungary as much as possible, trying to get a pro-German regime instead of Horty. If Italy is on board with Germany they have very high economic leverage against Hungary. Support for an armed revolt in Transylvania might be attempted too. However, whether such actions succeed is far from given.
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Neutral Hungary,can still be pro-German,just think Franco.

wiking said:
Hungary couldn't it's economy was totally dependent on German trade, so they were screwed. It was also the last official ally left to Germany in May 1945 for that reason (also because Germany was able to kidnap the HoS's son when he tried to defect):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Margarethe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Panzerfaust
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Yes the could,since a neutral Hungary,will trade with the Nazis and will still allow trade to pass,
 

user23123

Ameck16 said:
WI after the first Vienna award and Slovak war Horthy does nothing more, and stays neutral when the war starts (no second Vienna award). How would the effect the war and if the war goes like it did in the otl would Hungary become be invaded by the USSR and turned into a communist state.
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What make Hungary to remain neutral ?
- Is it weakness, the war with Slovakia ends badly for the Hungary.
- Do they remain neutral because the Romanian's join the axis before them.
- Is it because a neutral Romania is strong enough the fight of the soviets in 1940.

Now depending on the reasons of the neutrality,it could force the Germans to be less Nazi towards the Ukrainians and Belorussian,it could mean that,while Nazi Germany is down two allies,doesn’t have to wary about protecting the oil files in Romania,it could also mean more chromium form Turkey.
 
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