Okay, I know this sounds bad, but hear me out. This isn't a post comparing Nazis to Hindus, or Nazism to Hinduism, or anything like that; that would be ridiculous and hateful.
Now, then.

The Third Reich had a very interesting relationship to religion. While there were Christian Nazis, many felt the Christian establishment in Germany (including the Catholic and Lutheran Churches) were too independent, and that the Nazi Party ought to concern itself with spiritual policy (which it did, with the Kirchenkamf ("Church Struggle"), and the development of new religious movements like German Christians or Positive Christianity). There were others, of course, who felt Christianity itself was un-German or un-fascist, and sought to promote new religions based on Western esotericism, the Führer's cult of personality, or old Norse paganism.
Less discussed are figures like Savriti Devi, who saw Nazism in the tradition of Eastern religions, especially Hinduism. An French esotericist and fascist who converted to Hinduism, Devi believed Hitler was an incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu, and he would destroy all monotheism by killing all the Jews (Abraham's own seed), and thus restore the power of the old gods. And as Jews must be destroyed the world over, Christianity must be destroyed in the West and Islam must be destroyed in the East, for it is through monotheism that Jews control the Aryans. (see her book The Lightning And The Sun )

Now, the Nazis did appropriate a lot of Indian culture. They called themselves "Aryans," for example, and they marched under the Swastika (an Indian symbol).

So, what would a Nazism that was more invested in Hinduism look like?
Now, I'm sure anything the Nazis would pass off as "Hindu" would be far removed from anything known to actual Indians. It'd be that sort of Orientalist mysticism which Western theosophists found so fashionable at the time. That's what people like Devi were preaching, anyway. Still, I can imagine some Nazis attempting to justify their racial theories by some bastardised concept of casteism.

How would the British respond to Nazi Hindus? How would the Indian Independence Movement? I'm sure figures like Subhas Chandra Bose -- a Hindu fascist with ties to Japan and Germany (facilitated in part by Devi), and who was a key figure in the history of Hindutva -- would be very keen on this new Hindu Reich. Figures like Gandhi or Nehru might be less inclined. And the Muslim League would be even less so.
 
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The political backlash in Germany would be significant, especially if the Nazis tried to propaganzide Hinduusm on a wide scale(something they did not really do with paganism or Positive Christianity). And it wouldn't be counterbalanced by any significant inroads among Hindu nationalists, who are gonna be more concerned about the Nazis political attitude toward British colonialism than about the Nazis have suddenly all announced themselves to be Hindu.

Best case scenario, Hitler somehow gets a bunch of top-level party people to embrace Hinduism, and says nice things about the religion in meetings with Indian nationalists, who nod along bemusedly.
 
As for the British, I suspect they'd be laughing their heads off about this. Especially anyone who had worked in India and had experience with authentic Hinduism. Political cartoonists would have a field day, with Hitler bowing down to a cow etc.
 
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The political backlash in Germany would be significant, especially if the Nazis tried to propaganzide Hinduusm on a wide scale(something they did not really do with paganism or Positive Christianity).
This is definitely true. I don't imagine that Germans would be celebrating Diwali in 1943. But maybe a kind of bastard-"Hinduism" could take hold among certain influential circles? Like a Hindu equivalent to the Thule Society or the Black Sun cult?
 
This is definitely true. I don't imagine that Germans would be celebrating Diwali in 1943. But maybe a kind of bastard-"Hinduism" could take hold among certain influential circles? Like a Hindu equivalent to the Thule Society or the Black Sun cult?

Sure. But an elite Hindu cult among the Nazis would have about the same political significance as those esoteric groups you mention.
 
This crazy lady is your one-stop source for all things about Nazis aping Hinduism: Savitri Devi is the name she took.

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Maybe the Nazis don't actually adopt Hinduism, but just adopt some more trappings of a sort of eastern esotericism. That's all that's really plausible, and it wouldn't change too much. Maybe the church would be more mad at Hitler.
 
Okay, I know this sounds bad, but hear me out. This isn't a post comparing Nazis to Hindus, or Nazism to Hinduism, or anything like that; that would be ridiculous and hateful.
Now, then.

The Third Reich had a very interesting relationship to religion. While there were Christian Nazis, many felt the Christian establishment in Germany (including the Catholic and Lutheran Churches) were too independent, and that the Nazi Party ought to concern itself with spiritual policy (which it did, with the Kirchenkamf ("Church Struggle"), and the development of new religious movements like German Christians or Positive Christianity). There were others, of course, who felt Christianity itself was un-German or un-fascist, and sought to promote new religions based on Western esotericism, the Führer's cult of personality, or old Norse paganism.
Less discussed are figures like Savriti Devi, who saw Nazism in the tradition of Eastern religions, especially Hinduism. An French esotericist and fascist who converted to Hinduism, Devi believed Hitler was an incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu, and he would destroy all monotheism by killing all the Jews (Abraham's own seed), and thus restore the power of the old gods. And as Jews must be destroyed the world over, Christianity must be destroyed in the West and Islam must be destroyed in the East, for it is through monotheism that Jews control the Aryans. (see her book The Lightning And The Sun )

Now, the Nazis did appropriate a lot of Indian culture. They called themselves "Aryans," for example, and they marched under the Swastika (an Indian symbol).
The Nazi Aryans was appropriated from Arthur Gobineau's racialist ideas, and it was in the context of Iran. Not India.

Furthermore, the Swastika usage originated from Heinrich Schliemann's excavations of Wilusa(Troy) in Turkey, where he found Swastikas. Usage by Hittites, Iranians, and Indians, germans, greeks, etc... led to the belief it was the symbol of Indo-european cultures. Swastika's name originated from Sanskrit
Then, it became a symbol of good luck.
It was a very common symbol back then, long before the Nazis.
I object to your post, given that these ideas have already caused so much harm. It seems very unfair that a symbol of Indian culture is now being associated with an extinct German Ideology of the 1930s-1940s.
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So, what would a Nazism that was more invested in Hinduism look like?
Now, I'm sure anything the Nazis would pass off as "Hindu" would be far removed from anything known to actual Indians. It'd be that sort of Orientalist mysticism which Western theosophists found so fashionable at the time. That's what people like Devi were preaching, anyway. Still, I can imagine some Nazis attempting to justify their racial theories by some bastardised concept of casteism.

How would the British respond to Nazi Hindus? How would the Indian Independence Movement? I'm sure figures like Subhas Chandra Bose -- a Hindu fascist with ties to Japan and Germany (facilitated in part by Devi), and who was a key figure in the history of Hindutva -- would be very keen on this new Hindu Reich. Figures like Gandhi or Nehru might be less inclined. And the Muslim League would be even less so.
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I dunno…Hinduism seems like an odd choice in a country that really doesn’t have much connection to India or Hinduism. If the Nazis were looking for a religion of sorts to fall back on or present as a Nazi alternative to Christianity, wouldn’t Nordic mythology make more sense?
 
I dunno…Hinduism seems like an odd choice in a country that really doesn’t have much connection to India or Hinduism. If the Nazis were looking for a religion of sorts to fall back on or present as a Nazi alternative to Christianity, wouldn’t Nordic mythology make more sense?
The Indo-European connection makes Hinduism, as the one major and living non-Abrahamic Indo-European tradition, attractive to the esoteric neopagan wing of the Nazis.
 
How would the British respond to Nazi Hindus? How would the Indian Independence Movement? I'm sure figures like Subhas Chandra Bose -- a Hindu fascist with ties to Japan and Germany (facilitated in part by Devi), and who was a key figure in the history of Hindutva -- would be very keen on this new Hindu Reich. Figures like Gandhi or Nehru might be less inclined. And the Muslim League would be even less so.
Bose was not an adherent of Hindutva. He was the leader of the Azad Hind Fauj(Indian National Army) which had no ties with RSS or Hindu Mahasabha.
Besides, many adherents of Hindutva admire Israeli Zionism for resurrecting the original Jewish state. Like zionism, Hindutva seeks to rebuild in this case, the original pre-islamic Hindu civilization. In contrast, Bose was more of a Kemalist, and wanted to create a secular authoritarian republic. I suspect a Bose-led India would have similarities with the Getulio Vargas' Estado Novo regime in Brazil. Calling every Indian pro-autocrat a "Hindutva" is just lazy and potentially harmful, as there are far more nuances and differences between groups.


Okay, I know this sounds bad, but hear me out. This isn't a post comparing Nazis to Hindus, or Nazism to Hinduism, or anything like that; that would be ridiculous and hateful
Honestly, at second thought, I'm beginning to suspect that you view Hindus or the Hindu culture in a biased manner. You pretty much did your best to connect Hinduism with Third Reich throughout your post. I can assure you that Antisemitic beliefs are very rare in India, and in contrast Pro-Israeli and Pro-Zionist sentiments are quite common.
In contrast, the Iranian government has often vowed for the destruction of Israel and many Muslim-majority states have refused to recognize Israel.
 
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How would the British respond to Nazi Hindus?
If they have half the brains they will no that the so called Nazi Hinduism is not Hinduism.
How would the Indian Independence Movement?
Not affect as the Indian Independence Movement hated Nazism even more than the British as the Nazis represented everything wrong with the British rule in India. Racism - check Indians are treated like second class citizens, Concept of Racial Differentiation- check It manifests in Religious divide among the elites, leading eventually to the partition although several other wartime and postwar luck streaks were needed for that.
I'm sure figures like Subhas Chandra Bose -- a Hindu fascist with ties to Japan and Germany (facilitated in part by Devi), and who was a key figure in the history of Hindutva -- would be very keen on this new Hindu Reich
Subhas Chandra Bose was a fascist economically and a culturally a communist (although differences between them in actuality were superficial). But he was not a Nazi by any measure. He sought Axis help in the liberating India out of pragmatism and not a commitment to them ideologically. He isn't a key figure in the history of Hindutva. That statement is plainly false. He was an ardent secularist and had people from all the Indian Religions in his ranks and he would not lead be keen on any sort of Hindu Reich
They called themselves "Aryans," for example, and they marched under the Swastika (an Indian symbol).
They called themselves so based on an inaccurate belief of the time that proposed a unified race from Europe to India and they looked at people of Iran as the examples of Asian Aryans more so than India. Swastika was a Global symbol independently originating across the world(Have you ever wondered how easy it is to come up with that symbol) tarnished by the Nazis. It was generally considered an auspicious symbol. The Swastika the Nazis stole was already a symbol of the Volkish movement even before the party formed.
Less discussed are figures like Savriti Devi, who saw Nazism in the tradition of Eastern religions, especially Hinduism. An French esotericist and fascist who converted to Hinduism, Devi believed Hitler was an incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu, and he would destroy all monotheism by killing all the Jews (Abraham's own seed), and thus restore the power of the old gods. And as Jews must be destroyed the world over, Christianity must be destroyed in the West and Islam must be destroyed in the East, for it is through monotheism that Jews control the Aryans. (see her book The Lightning And The Sun )
Ok so? A fake Hindu's statements hold as much water as an empty bottle. Just becoming a devotee of some random Hindu gods without the other parts associated with Hinduism it is ridiculous to call oneself Hindu. If there is a rise of German Paganism then it certainly wont be by any measure Hindu.
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Hinduism would be too anarchic. Plus visually unappealing. Art Deco, Old Masters, wood blocks, these are stuff you could get away with. Things with women with bare breasts, decapitated heads, and weapons dancing around? Not goofing to look great and if art from India was brought over everything from the clothing, the fabric, the color, the weapons, and flowers would look alien. You usually got deists at best among the Nazis (not that the beliefs matter as very few Nazis an be looked at with anything less than disgust or a withering expression) and they aren’t going to want to go with all that crackpot stuff. The occult societies based on Norse, Germanic, Celtic, etc deities, heroes, and the folklore that had stung up over the previous thousand years from people distant from those religions already gave enough stuff to work with. Hell, they already had plenty of worship in the form of having the Fuhrer around as well things involving Bismarck, Arminius, Fredrick the Great, Charlemagne etc. I think Hitler also one tried lederhosen but either had horse pictures destroyed or never wore then again as they thought it looked ridiculous. The brown outfit with a long coat, peaked cap,, three medals, and the party badge (along with his famed mustache) offered far more dignity and immortality. Think how Napoleon is famed for his hat, overcoat, and having his hand in his clothes. Keep things simple. Have yourself look as the rational person who doesn’t cover yourself in silk sashes or covered hats.
 

Oh, dude -- I'm not saying that this is legitimate Hinduism in any way, shape, or form. It's a bizarre, occult, esotericist fascination by people who will freely appropriate cultural notions from all over the world in order to make themselves look "supreme." This ain't about Hinduism; it's about Nazism.
 
I'm sure figures like Subhas Chandra Bose -- a Hindu fascist with ties to Japan and Germany (facilitated in part by Devi), and who was a key figure in the history of Hindutva -- would be very keen on this new Hindu Reich.
As an Indian, I disagree with this discription of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose. He was certainly authoritarian, but calling him a Hindu fascist is wrong. Despite the RSS and BJP's attempts to claim his legacy, Netaji was secular.
Also, I don't think the Nazis would embrace Hinduism, Even among Aryans, pure Nordic Aryans were considered to be the best. I'd say that the Nazis are more likely to become a neo-Norse religion theocracy than embrace Hinduism. At the most they might try to forge closer links with organizations such as the Hindu Mahasabha by trying to portray Indians and Germans as fellow Aryans.
 
Hinduism would be too anarchic. Plus visually unappealing. Art Deco, Old Masters, wood blocks, these are stuff you could get away with. Things with women with bare breasts, decapitated heads, and weapons dancing around?
Christian art also depicts women with bare breasts. Don't single out Hinduism for this.
 
Hinduism would be too anarchic.
If that is the Nazi perception, then I'm sure they'd say Germans could do it better. Although that whole thing rests on some pretty heinous racist logic.

I feel like I should reiterate -- I'm not asking if Germany could become a Hindu (or "Hindu") country. I'm asking about the internal politics within the Nazi Party, the SS, and the Wehrmacht, especially those sections of the leadership interested in aesthetics, religion, historiography, and/or esotericism.
 
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