WI: MLK survives an assassination attempt

April 4, 1968, Lorraine Motel, balcony outside room 306, Memphis, Tennessee, 6:01 PM

Doctor Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. is standing next to Jesse Jackson. A butterfly flits across rhetoric balcony. Dr. King ducks. A shot rings out. Jesse Jackson falls dead.

James Earl Ray has just missed his target. Dr. King survives yet another attempt on his life.

Now what happens?

(Note: I hope we can safely assume that Ray doesn't get s second shot.)
 
He might not have lived all that much longer, risk of assassination aside. IIRC, his autopsy revealed developing heart problems. Needless to say though, it would have been better for him to die naturally of a heart attack than a bullet.
 
Indeed. The coroner said he had the heart of a 60 year old.

But he'd certainly live long enough to see the Poor People's Campaign through, for better or for worse.
 
Also means Jesse Jackson won't spend the next 40-50 years pissing away the Civil Rights Coalition's credibility on his own pet projects.
 
Also means Jesse Jackson won't spend the next 40-50 years pissing away the Civil Rights Coalition's credibility on his own pet projects.

Yes, now people like you will replace the word Jackson with King, since conservatives will have a reason to continue to hate the greatest civil rights leader.
 
Well during his last year on this earth he was starting to radicalize. So if he survives he might start to make a more formal break with the Democrats. We might see the Civil Rights movement as a whole start to radicalize too. So over all we might see a stronger anti war movement and civil rights movement too.
 
Needless to say though, it would have been better for him to die naturally of a heart attack than a bullet.
Depends, not knowing much about the US civil rights process was his death a major catalyst for things or simply a tragic event? If the former then from a completely cynical bastard point of view in the greater scheme of things, but not for him or his loved ones, it might be better for him to cop a bullet.

And if you still want to get rid of Jesse Jackson simply have him standing behind King when he's shot and have the shot overpenetrate and catch him as well.
 
Politically, King had moved (or at least was transitioning) from the idea of race as the deciding factor towards the idea that it was not about race, but about class. That if you were poor or left wanting for things you couldn't afford but needed, it didn't matter if you were white or black or hispanic or Asian, you were just poor or lacking the ability to buy and provide necessities for yourself and your family. So King was going to fight not just for the black poor, but for the white poor and hispanic poor andall of the poor because it was about the low in society which were unable to provide for themselves the basic things people require to live and prosper.

He was assassinated right on the cusp of that effort, and the Poor People's Campaign he had organized, when it went on after his death, just fell apart. It's always sad when major civil rights figures and things died, like King and like Malcolm X and even the Black Panthers, because they were right on the cusp of some great thing or some great effort, but were stopped and those efforts fell apart. Malcolm X was killed when his views had become one of social and racial unity among all people, as all were equal in the eyes of Allah. The Panthers, for their part, were part of supporting and rejuvenating black communities and keeping black children from falling to a life of crime or into gangs, but white people were afraid of them, law enforcement and the government crushed their organization and arrested them, and after that, the black inner-cities socially degenerated horribly. And King was killed when he was preparing to stand up not just for the black or the black poor, but for all the people of America who could not provide of themselves and were being deprived of the necessities of life and the necessities of what would allow themselves and their children to prosper.

Indeed. The coroner said he had the heart of a 60 year old.

But he'd certainly live long enough to see the Poor People's Campaign through, for better or for worse.

Well, MLK Sr lived to the ripe old age of 84. So MLK Jr could live 24 more years perhaps even with that heart of a 60 year old, dying at age 63 in 1992.
 
Yes, now people like you will replace the word Jackson with King, since conservatives will have a reason to continue to hate the greatest civil rights leader.

What do you mean people like me? Please, I'm curious.

People of multiple races and political beliefs generally agree Jesse Jackson was a bloated egoist who used the various wings of the civil rights coalition to promote one thing and one thing alone, that being Jesse Jackson. Keep King at the helm, and regardless of what he does from there, the coalition will do more than try to make Jesse Jackson rich and famous.

I'm actually curious what he could have done with things like the Poor People's Coalition. Would he ride the wave of televangelism in the 70s and 80s, albiest for genuine gospel appeal? What would the deeply Christian MLK have thought of 1970s culture?
 
Politically, King had moved (or at least was transitioning) from the idea of race as the deciding factor towards the idea that it was not about race, but about class. That if you were poor or left wanting for things you couldn't afford but needed, it didn't matter if you were white or black or hispanic or Asian, you were just poor or lacking the ability to buy and provide necessities for yourself and your family. So King was going to fight not just for the black poor, but for the white poor and hispanic poor andall of the poor because it was about the low in society which were unable to provide for themselves the basic things people require to live and prosper.

He was assassinated right on the cusp of that effort, and the Poor People's Campaign he had organized, when it went on after his death, just fell apart. It's always sad when major civil rights figures and things died, like King and like Malcolm X and even the Black Panthers, because they were right on the cusp of some great thing or some great effort, but were stopped and those efforts fell apart. Malcolm X was killed when his views had become one of social and racial unity among all people, as all were equal in the eyes of Allah. The Panthers, for their part, were part of supporting and rejuvenating black communities and keeping black children from falling to a life of crime or into gangs, but white people were afraid of them, law enforcement and the government crushed their organization and arrested them, and after that, the black inner-cities socially degenerated horribly. And King was killed when he was preparing to stand up not just for the black or the black poor, but for all the people of America who could not provide of themselves and were being deprived of the necessities of life and the necessities of what would allow themselves and their children to prosper.



Well, MLK Sr lived to the ripe old age of 84. So MLK Jr could live 24 more years perhaps even with that heart of a 60 year old, dying at age 63 in 1992.

That was exactly why I asked this. Malcolm X and MLK both surviving their OTL assassinations would be even better, but baby steps....

So, if the PPC was carried out in a better fashion, what would have happened.
 
What do you mean people like me? Please, I'm curious.

People of multiple races and political beliefs generally agree Jesse Jackson was a bloated egoist who used the various wings of the civil rights coalition to promote one thing and one thing alone, that being Jesse Jackson. Keep King at the helm, and regardless of what he does from there, the coalition will do more than try to make Jesse Jackson rich and famous.

I'm actually curious what he could have done with things like the Poor People's Coalition. Would he ride the wave of televangelism in the 70s and 80s, albiest for genuine gospel appeal? What would the deeply Christian MLK have thought of 1970s culture?

Another good question is where he would've stood on Roe v Wade. Frankly, I think his thoughts have been hijacked and obscured so much by partisans that it's up for grabs.
 

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King lives two years longer before dying of a heart attack while delivering a speach about how the rich elite try to keep everyone down. Conspiracy theorists say he was poisoned. The civil rights movement is seen as much as a class struggle as a race one.
 
My sense is that not much would have changed. Politically the country moved towards the center or right, depending upon your point of view, in the 1968 election. If anything King and Kennedy as martyrs added to Humphrey’s vote totals. King’s influence on Nixon would have been considerably less than it was on Johnson. He may have influenced the speed of final school desegregation but only at the margins as by 1968 the South was reconciled that it would happen. King undoubtedly would have supported the antiwar movement but I don’t see how that would have really influenced US policy.
 
MLK's death was more of a tragic event than a catalyst, IMO.

Just for the record, many black people don't like Jesse Jackson. ;)

If he died naturally I think it would have been the better way, for both moral and practical reasons. I don't want to type out a whole thing, but having a black leader die naturally, instead of being killed or jailed, would be a nice thing.
 
My sense is that not much would have changed. Politically the country moved towards the center or right, depending upon your point of view, in the 1968 election. If anything King and Kennedy as martyrs added to Humphrey’s vote totals. King’s influence on Nixon would have been considerably less than it was on Johnson. He may have influenced the speed of final school desegregation but only at the margins as by 1968 the South was reconciled that it would happen. King undoubtedly would have supported the antiwar movement but I don’t see how that would have really influenced US policy.

I disagree. Nixon won on the back of the anti-war vote and was substantively to the left of Kennedy. The country's move to the right was largely part of the air of mistrust which sprung, as much as anything, from Nixon's own scandals.
 
Much of the answer here relies upon King's own ideas, which, as mentioned already, were in the midst of their most important transition, from primarily racial to a class based analysis. This, though, obviously bears two important questions. Would King have maintained a superficially neutralist stance on electoral politics? And could US politicians be convinced to do anything to address class relations without the rise of a third party? Like with slavery, the northern whites cast the congressional votes needed to end segregation. And, like with slavery, they had no vested interest in either sides victory, thus at least allowing for an abstractly moral decision. However, these politicians did have a very strong and very real interest in maintaining the class structure they personally topped. The welfare state largely evolved as a defense against socialism used by upper-class reformers (see FDR, Clement Attlee). By 1968, though, a large welfare state already existed. So the sort of changes demanded would almost certainly have taken a structural form, something which would make northern politicians much more nervous.
 
What do you mean people like me? Please, I'm curious.
People of your ideological persuasion, including Ronald Reagan, who proclaimed that King's assassination was King's fault for disturbing law and order. After King was long dead, he would sign MLK Jr. Day into law in '83, although John McCain, Chuck Grassley, and Richard Shelby voted against it. If King stays alive, he continues to be a divisive figure, hated upon many constituencies.

People of multiple races and political beliefs generally agree Jesse Jackson was a bloated egoist who used the various wings of the civil rights coalition to promote one thing and one thing alone, that being Jesse Jackson. Keep King at the helm, and regardless of what he does from there, the coalition will do more than try to make Jesse Jackson rich and famous.
Sure, Jesse Jackson has a large ego. However, that doesn't invalidate the causes he fights for, and most of the attacks on him are recycled attacks against King (although they have more merit). And of course, Jackson will never be the #1 black enemy, King will remain in that position, so of course he'll be attacked.

I'm actually curious what he could have done with things like the Poor People's Coalition. Would he ride the wave of televangelism in the 70s and 80s, albiest for genuine gospel appeal? What would the deeply Christian MLK have thought of 1970s culture?
Televangelism was all about increasing influence politically and making a lot of money doing it.

An interesting template for King may be Cornel West, another Christian socialist. However, West is personally a bit more Jackson than King IMO.
 
America was turning right during that time period. The right wingers hated King and then they turned their fury on Jackson. Now they hate Obama. Different people, same color many of the same ideas. So if King had lived a longer life he would have picked up more and more hate.
 
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