WI: Martin Luther King, Jr. lives . . . . . please share ideas for medium-high trajectory?

GeographyDude

Gone Fishin'
April 4, 2018 is the 50th anniversary of the assassination of MLK. Let's say James Earl Ray just decides it's not worth it.

Give me a reasonably high trajectory if Martin lives for some years more?
 
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GeographyDude

Gone Fishin'
the two areas within the U.S. about which Civil Rights received the greatest opposition,

busing, and affirmative action during a time of economic stagnation,

maybe Martin could have been one of the leaders who helped to find a better way.
 
the two areas within the U.S. about which Civil Rights received the greatest opposition,

busing, and affirmative action during a time of economic stagnation,

maybe Martin could have been one of the leaders who helped to find a better way.

The former I can certainly see if they try to impliment busing and get their "suburban kickback" from parents and he's willing to spend some political capital. Say, he sits down with the Democrats and says "Look; moving folks around clearly dosen't work, but we've got such poor schools our kids are never going to thrive if they stay, and just busing them to you would lead to overcrowding. So, let's send over our instructors and some of our money instead."

Maybe less effective, but it'd certainly make up for it in the degree of political palitability. It might even mitigate some effects of "White Flight".
 

Redcoat

Banned
He'd probably protest the Vietnam War. Remembered that he spoke out against it. He'd probably be less popular too, popular opinion of the preacher was probably equivalent to say, BLM is today. People thought of him as a rabble-rouser, but after his assassination he was turned him into a martyr.
 
He'd probably protest the Vietnam War. Remembered that he spoke out against it. He'd probably be less popular too, popular opinion of the preacher was probably equivalent to say, BLM is today. People thought of him as a rabble-rouser, but after his assassination he was turned him into a martyr.

but I think his eloquence would help him out throughout the Vietnam War, and once the war proved a complete failure, I think he would be redeemed in the eyes of many.
 
capital. Say, he sits down with the Democrats and says "Look; moving folks around clearly dosen't work, but we've got such poor schools our kids are never going to thrive if they stay, and just busing them to you would lead to overcrowding. So, let's send over our instructors and some of our money instead."
Charles Hamilton Houston and Thurgood Marshall had been arguing your later point for decades before MLK stepped onto the scene, and the result was desegregation. The states had decided that it was better to desegregate the schools because it would be easier for whites to move than for blacks to do the same. In only a few cases did states determine that they would establish “separate but equal” facilities, and even the courts determined those moves weren’t enough (see Texas Southern University’s law school). Martin Luther King simply saying to Democrats like Richard Daley, “We’ll hush on busing, but send our kids better textbooks,” wasn’t going to make much of a difference, especially in the Midwest and North. By 1968, Pandora’s jar had been opened in regards to integration as we know it, and those trends wouldn’t be reversed.

Now where Dr. King would’ve been able to impact on the issue of poverty, education and housing is if he took the Poor People’s Campaign to it’s natural conclusion – the mass organization of African Americans across the country: unions for welfare recipients, strong neighborhood associations in housing projects in the inner cities, and active parent-teacher associations in black schools. I even see King advocating for increasing participation by African Americans in the AFL-CIO, or calling for African Americans to break away from the unions as white working class voters grew more uncomfortable with the advances made by minorities.
 
He'd probably protest the Vietnam War. Remembered that he spoke out against it. He'd probably be less popular too, popular opinion of the preacher was probably equivalent to say, BLM is today. People thought of him as a rabble-rouser, but after his assassination he was turned him into a martyr.
To support this: Gallup polls in 1966 (the last year they asked people about their opinion of King) showed that 32% of the country had a favorable opinion of him, while 63% had a negative opinion. Just 2 years earlier it was 41% positive and 39% negative. Once King started talking about systemic racism in the North people turned on him. People were generally fine with the idea that the South was a bunch of racists, but that they and their neighbors could also be racist was an extremely unpopular idea.
 
To be honest, with the way things were going, King was most likely past his peak of relevance at the time of his death. He would continue to be an advocate for what he preached and likely would continue at the rate he was going OTL when it came to speeches and the like, but had he not been cut down we would probably talk about him and remember him in the same way we remember other civil rights leaders who survived the turmoil of the 1960's. (with perhaps a higher focus in grade-school regarding the march on Washington, etc.)
 
The theory that King was "disposed of" because he was becoming a hindrance to the movement holds water only because he was becoming a hindrance to the movement. By 1965, the part of the civil rights movement that Northern white moderates could associate with was over because it had accomplished its goals (voting rights and better schools). The economic reforms that actually mattered were far more divisive, and King's growing association with communists and black separatists would not have engendered sympathy among whites. If King had been able to lead the planned protests against the space program as a waste of money that could have been used for reparations (a few hundred black farmers did actually show up in Florida to protest the Apollo 11 launch), it would have been a huge embarrassment for LBJ, and I think we all know what LBJ was like.
 

GeographyDude

Gone Fishin'
. . . The economic reforms that actually mattered were far more divisive, and King's growing association with communists and black separatists . . .
I'll happily swing at this pitch. :)

Stanley Levison was an older guy in New York who was a fundraiser and one of Martin's advisors. Stanley had a communist background which I'm pretty sure Martin knew about, but he also seemed to give pretty sensible and middle-of-the-road advice. For example, when Martin began speaking out against the Vietnam war, Stanley recommended that he associate with people like Benjamin Spock, Bobby Kennedy, and the very reputable side of the anti-war movement. And I think Martin largely disregarded this advice and associated with more radical anti-war celebrities.

And Martin at least spoke out loud among the SCLC (Southern Christian Leadership Conference) inner circle that maybe some version of democratic socialism really was the way the country should go.

PS Did friends like Ralph Abernathy refer to MLK as Mike? I kind of think so, but I'm not sure.
 
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One scary possibility: he becomes a bad guy. Bear in mind Fred Phelps was a Civil Rights attorney before he formed the Westboro Batshit Jerks...ahem, Baptist Church. So is it possible MLK latches onto a cause and becomes an antagonist, possibly abortion or homosexuality?
 
From what I've read he had serious heart problems and probably would not have lived as long as we'd like to think.

Perhaps though an early death would end up inspiring greater attention to heart issues in the AA community ?

If I'm not mistaken stroke and heart disease are still major problems
 
From what I've read he had serious heart problems and probably would not have lived as long as we'd like to think.

Perhaps though an early death would end up inspiring greater attention to heart issues in the AA community ?

If I'm not mistaken stroke and heart disease are still major problems
At his autopsy doctors found that King's had the heart of a 60 year old man (he died at 39). I agree that he wouldn't live that long, probably until the 1970s at most.
 

Redcoat

Banned
One scary possibility: he becomes a bad guy. Bear in mind Fred Phelps was a Civil Rights attorney before he formed the Westboro Batshit Jerks...ahem, Baptist Church. So is it possible MLK latches onto a cause and becomes an antagonist, possibly abortion or homosexuality?
I was gonna say something to that effect but I thought I'd be booed down

Shrugs
 
One scary possibility: he becomes a bad guy. Bear in mind Fred Phelps was a Civil Rights attorney before he formed the Westboro Batshit Jerks...ahem, Baptist Church. So is it possible MLK latches onto a cause and becomes an antagonist, possibly abortion or homosexuality?

Phelps was known as an asshole even when campaigning for civil rights. While it's possible King woould be against gay marriage given his religious leaning he could also change his mind, given his character was nowhere near Phelps
 
Phelps was known as an asshole even when campaigning for civil rights. While it's possible King woould be against gay marriage given his religious leaning he could also change his mind, given his character was nowhere near Phelps

True, although MLK wasn’t squeaky clean either - so if he did become a bad guy, it would be nowhere near Phelps or even a blowhard like Louis Farrakhan. At worst, he does nothing about the AIDS crisis and sticks to other topics, essentially doing the oratory equivalent of three-card Monty when it’s brought up to him.

For his character, though, if he goes full-on Cosby and is discovered to be a serial rapist after his death (and this guy wasn’t going to live to see Obama inaugurated based on his health and personal habits) then his legacy will get shot straight to hell. I don’t see that happening, but no one saw it with Cosby either.

And yes, Phelps was a major asshole even as a lawyer. He was basically the Dr. House of civil rights attorneys.
 
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