This likely edges toward a Not-Lir scenario but even still, let's posit that Hitler obtains the Chancellorship but pretty much doesn't do anything of note while in office, maybe outside of the Enabling Act. He wouldnt be the first politician to over promise and underdeliver. Do you think he eventually gets removed by members of his own party?
WI: Hitler gets into office but doesn't do anything
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Garrison
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Given how rabidly obsessed he was on so many issues I cannot see this happening outside of some ASB exerting mind control over him.
Captain Homicide
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Exactly. Hitler got into politics because he was a fanatic with various ideological obsessions.
Well, there is a case of a man who got a metal bar through his head, survived it, but it led to a personality change. So it's not completely impossible.
Phineas Gage - Wikipedia
Edit: apparantly the amount of his mental change is disputed.
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If some weird medical fluke drastically changed his personality, he'd probably have been forced out on the grounds of being unhealthy. There were plenty of other high-ranking Nazis who genuinely believed in their ideology beyond just "get Hitler into power," so it's hard to believe they all just sit around enjoying the perks of power in this scenario.Well, there is a case of a man who got a metal bar through his head, survived it, but it led to a personality change. So it's not completely impossible.
Phineas Gage - Wikipedia
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Edit: apparantly the amount of his mental change is disputed.
Maybe Hitler is elected but doesn't obtain any of the dictatorial powers he got OTL, and every radical change he wants to introduce gets voted down every single time?
Basically, instead of him not wanting to do anything, he simply can't and what he can is extremely mundane.
Basically, instead of him not wanting to do anything, he simply can't and what he can is extremely mundane.
The most likely pod for this is Hitler accepting the initial offer of Vice Chancellor which he declined in OTL believing it to be a powerless position(which it was).
You should somehow remove nazis or then make them much weaker political faction which would eliminate Hitler's chancellorship completely.
Well, weren't they kinda weak already OTL? Being part of a wider coalition that could break apart at any moment?
Hitler did already pretty lot of major things before Munich like making Germany one-party state, enacting Nuremburg Race Laws, annexation of Austria, remilitarisation of Rheinland etc. So better to let him die on car accident already in 1933 or early 1935 at latest. He could still die on car accident or fall from mountain whilst visiting in Bavaria.
psychedout265
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Hindenburg wakes up after a nightmare involving seeing the events of WW2 and associated Holocaust, and he arranges for Hitler to be “conveniently dispatched in an accident” in early 1933. He then dies as per OTL and arranges for Kaiser Wilhelm to come back, who puts down socialist and communist resistance in a short civil war, and reigns like a typical fascist.
Do you mean if Hitler was himself inactive, indolent and undecisive? Because that's our timeline.
It is a classic oxymoron, or contradiction in terms to say Hitler comes to power but doesn't do anything. doesn't make sense. he'll run the economy into the ground if he does that, way too obvious to anyone to see. He won't even be on the cover of time magazine.
Imagine he turns the economy around for war, and then sits on his hands. Imagine him not reoccupying the rhineland. I'm sure they weren't expecting war right away, but the Nazi party will definitely scratch their heads and replace him.
Imagine he turns the economy around for war, and then sits on his hands. Imagine him not reoccupying the rhineland. I'm sure they weren't expecting war right away, but the Nazi party will definitely scratch their heads and replace him.
Well, there is a case of a man who got a metal bar through his head, survived it, but it led to a personality change. So it's not completely impossible.
Phineas Gage - Wikipedia
Edit: apparantly the amount of his mental change is disputed.
The TL Pax Germanica also does that, though with (Not) Hitler became a rational person instead after the incident
It was placed on ASB however due to the extreme unlikeliness of the event
Sounds like a good POD
Looking at the results of the March 1933 Reichstag election, the Enabling Act would have needed 432 votes to pass if all MPs were in attendance. If you add up the seats for the Nazis, the DNVP's coalition, the Centre Party, and the Bavarian People's Party, you get...432 votes. It actually passed 444-94, so some of the MPs from smaller parties must have voted in favor as well, with the Communists not allowed to attend and the Social Democrats with a little over 3/4 of their MPs present and voting No.
So for the Enabling Act to fail, one of two things needs to happen:
1) The smaller parties all vote against it, the full Social Democratic and Communist caucuses are there to vote No, and at least one MP from the larger parties voting in favor is absent. I don't know how realistic that is re: the smaller parties. One of them, the Agricultural League, is described on Wikipedia as a Nazi ally and had a single MP, so getting that person to vote No might be a tall hill to climb.
2) The Centre and/or BVP decide to oppose it. IIRC, Bruning strongly urged opposition behind the scenes, with the Centre's leader, Ludwig Kaas, deciding to support it partly because he expected that the Nazis would just seize power by other means if it failed.
Of course, point #2 raises the question of whether the Enabling Act failing is sufficient to prevent the totalitarian Nazi regime of OTL from coming into existence. Would the Reichswehr and the regular civilian police have had a prayer of defeating an armed uprising by the SA (which I assume is the sort of thing that Kaas feared)?