WI: Belisarius isn't recalled from Italy and No Plague of Justinian?

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trajen777

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I got this from the History of Byzantium Podcast.



The problem is the resources needed to supply Belisarius were needed in the East and the Balkans. Belisarius isn't getting anymore men than he got OTL up to the Capture of Ravenna.

However, if Belisarius had a more unified command then he would have been in a much better position to conquer North of Rome.

John and Narses were the problem. Both were "Tots bestsies" and united in their hatred of Belisarius. They would ignore Belisarius' orders and go do their own thing many times.

This behavior led to such results as the sack of Milan during the campaign. Deal with John and Narses and the Empire would be in a far superior position in Italy.



This is easy to avoid even without changing the Gothic Wars. All you need to do is avoid the Reign of Justin II.



Certainly an easier conquest of Italy would have put the Empire in better financial shape.



The Persians had already invaded by the time Justinian had recalled Belisarius. Indeed, that was the reason he was recalled: To Fight the Persians.


Your right in many ways , however ur wrong on the comments about the john and Narses, point. I'm going way back to when bel first invaded italy he was the only force in italy at this time and swept north to seize Naples and Rome. From their his small force could only defend Rome from the much larger gothic force. At this point he had sent massive funds back which were captured from the vandals. At this point he faced a 6 month seige. My point is at this time the funds from the goths could have hired additional Mercs and the field forces in the east (which were deterorating vs the Mobil force) could have pulled 25 k troops, trained them up for 6 months, hire 15 k Mercs and u would have achieved victory pre the time frame you reference 10 years later
 

B-29_Bomber

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I'm going way back to when bel first invaded italy he was the only force in italy at this time and swept north to seize Naples and Rome.

That's not the OP. The OP asked what if Belisarius wasn't recalled by Justinian. Belisarius was recalled in 540 after the fall of Ravenna.

hire 15 k Mercs and u would have achieved victory pre the time frame you reference 10 years later

Narses arrived with the reinforcements during the first stage of the Gothic wars (535-40) and John was already in Italy at the time (Siege of Ariminum).

Had Justinian sent someone other than Narses (dunno who) Belisarius would have had a much more unified command and with Ravenna falling in 540, perhaps 541 allowing for butterflies, you would likely see Belisarius subduing Italy north of the Po which would probably last a couple of years (542-43).

You'd have to avoid the Persian invasion for this as that was why Belisarius was recalled.
 

B-29_Bomber

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Send Narses to Persia

That could work, but I don't know enough about Narses to say if he was a good enough general for the job.

Plus it was Belisarius that gained a major reputation for his leadership in the East at the Battle of Dara. Indeed, it was that reputation that was a factor in Persia's invasion when they heard he was in Italy. It's likely it was that reputation that Justinian was relying on to send the Persians packing yet again. It's a serious todo to convince Justinian to send anyone but Belisarius East.
 
It is worth noting that whilst Narses was a sod, when the campaign was affected Justinian reiterated that Belisarius was in charge, do you what you're told. So enough trust existed even then.

That in mind, the best option for funding (IMO) is that the loot Belisarius sends back is given entirely to the Italian Campaign. More mercenaries, faster conquest, and a higher payout at the end of the day. This is all pretty good, and likely can happen with enough time to have someone work on consolidation.

So I'd expect a victory, and whilst Ravenna or Mediolanium are under siege, Justinian sends either a message commanding Belisarius to be Exarch of Italia (a waste), or sends the new one, to be installed when Ravenna is taken - with Belisarius in charge of organising fortification of Italy and training an army for the Exarch whilst the Exarch sorts out funding concerns - before bringing Belisarius and his army home to face Khosrau.

So a strong Italy, under a toady and still the debatable problem of Belisarius in (say) Syria. If Persia invades, then the obvious choice is to have Belisarius make the move into Mesopotamia if he can halt the invasion. In which case that is as good a place to leave him as anywhere else - and the resource of Italy and Africa can be used under other generals to go westward once a peace is achieved.

I can't see Justinian authorising another Emperor, but Exarchs? Certainly. Smaller local authorities under him works fine. Cue more resources provided for a Spanish campaign, possibly under a promising lieutenant of Belisarius.

In the long run, this is great, and butterflies most of the issues of later Emperors away. Italia is a great support and bulwark for Dacian and Gallic campaigns, Africa can help with Spanish and Gallic campaigns, and Mesopotamia ensures a buffer for the core of the Empire.

As for everyone else, the Franks might begin to freak, as they become the last ones standing, which could lead to alliances or an Exarch via civil war, or a pre-emptive invasion of Italia whilst Spain is being attacked.

Persia won't like this, any Roman gains in Mesopotamia are very bad for them, especially as it was a major Sassanid power base.
 
I think a successful reconques t would be reasonably likely to see a western emperor declared in Italy, Africa and Spain. Even oTL there was at least one pretender, ttl there's far more of a temptation.

Long term who knows? It could take work but Rome could see a dynastic cycle, at the very least I think they would have a better shot at keeping Egypt and such.
 
One shouldn’t forget that Justinian (and his rather brilliant wife, Theodora) had planned to try and take Italy without unsheathing a sword (and that he tried it twice) by subverting the Ostrogothic kingdom at its head. And that despite some portrayals of Justinian as foolishly adventuring, he was quite willing to cut his losses at times in Italy and accept a partial conquest but was dissuaded by promises first from Belisarius then by other commanders that victory on the battlefield was attainable. Africa and the easy reconquest of Sicily plus disaffection among Romans in Italy and the Gothic royal family and its nobles all argued that Italy could be retaken with minimal cost. Justinian had rightly reasoned it pointless to take Italy without Africa to provide a steady grain supply as in the old days of the Western and United Empires and had wisely gambled on crushing the Vandal kingdom first. Now just as he had fished in Vandal political waters hoping the king Hilderic would either hand over the kingdom or more likely provide (as his murder did) a casus belli for invasion, he had hoped to undermine the Ostrogoth kingdom by playing the various Gothic factions against each other and adding into the mix, Theodora as provocateur. For as he reassured the tragic, doomed Queen Amalasuntha of his support for her cause, Theo wrote, I’m sure with his connivance, to her cousin and joint ruler King Theodahad, urging him to act against her to the ultimate of murder and assuring him that she could control her husband despite his support for the Queen. In his second great attempt, after Theodora’s death from cancer and the damaging of the empire by plague (An unusually severe plague as Edward Luttwak, among others, notes and from more modern analysis, far more deadly perhaps than past historians thought.) , Justinian tried to repair his past diplomatic failure by turning to Amada’s daughter the lovely and brilliant Mathusada. This time he hit upon a fine solution. His favored successor, his nephew Germanus, had married Mathusada (she’d been brought to Constantinople by Belisarus with her first husband the defeated Gothic King Vitiges), offering a chance to use her family connections to placate the Goths, perhaps even leading to a revival of the Western Empire under Germanus, though more likely he hoped the honor of a ruler next in line to the Roman throne, husband to their Queen and likely to father a Roman-Goth successor, would do the trick. Justinian was, if anything, perhaps only too determined to keep the costs of conquest to the minimum necessary…And again, willing at several points to concede to a divided Roman-Gothic Italy to hold some of his gains.

But to get on to the question at hand, it’s entirely possible that had circumstances allowed, Belisarus might have been kept on in Italy to consolidate the conquest. It’s doubtful Justinian believed that Beli was plotting to either revive the Western throne or seize his but Theodora, fearful of a future with Justinian gone and she friendless, was willing to entertain the notion and it was probably in part to placate her that Belisarus was recalled in 540. Justinian had granted him a Triumph, the first in centuries, for the conquest of Africa but no such honor awaited him this time, though the Persian front situation seriously demanded his attention. Lets assume Justinian’s primary motive was military need and say the Persians chose to continue the peace treaty without threat, perhaps due to troubles in the Empire or on the northeast Asian borders. Belisarus persuades Goths to accept the conquest, perhaps even puts a Goth in as a key administrative but militarily powerless figure. Plague being dodged by luck in Egypt, Justinian gets to employ his skills and the Goths receive Roman citizenship in the Empire in exchange for loyalty oaths and joining the army and even the Roman Senate in controlled numbers. Belisarus rebuilds an army of Italian Romans, again under careful limitations but enough to back up his forces for the defense of Italy.

The final piece is the marriage of Germanus and Mathusada. Justinian seizes on this as the best way to bury all animosity and Theodora decides a Germanus ruling Italy is better than one in Constantinople awaiting a chance to succeed. Ahead of schedule as no further troops are required, in about 545-6 the royal couple is sent to Sicily and safely arrive in Italy. Germanus is proclaimed Caesar and perhaps Praetorian Prefect of the western provinces, though not Augustus of the West, though he is the recognized successor. Mathusada is acknowledged Queen of the Goths, with some but limited authority. Justinian focuses on the peaceful integration of the Ostrogoths to the Empire and the reintegration of Italy, boosted greatly by a stabilized Africa. Belisarus continues as Chief of Soldiers in the West till after Germanus’ arrival and then peacefully returns to Constantinople and his deserved second Triumph. Germanus is able to make use of the threat of Frankish invasion to unify Roman and Goth for defensive war, with Totilla becoming a Senator and an important administrator in Italy, finally a trusted and skilled army general.

After overawing a Persian threat, Belisarus is asked to undertake the conquest of Spain, and wins the support of young Goths eager for adventure and reward to swell his army’s ranks. He works well with the elderly Roman commander in the field, Liberius, and Germanus in Italy supports the campaign. Spain is largely secured by 550-2 and Britain sends word from several of the embattled former British-Roman leaders that help from the Empire would be greatly appreciated. Belisarus is urged by Justinian, just recovered from the loss of Theodora, to send some sort of help and the first Roman troops since 406 arrive in western Britain, about 1000, primarily to scout the place and report on chances for reconquest. The west Britains are eager for imperial support and the expedition is successful enough to help them secure a fair amount of Wales and southwest Britain. Southern Gaul is now restive though the Visigothic kingdom’s remains in Gaul, supported by the Franks, firmly crush any clear efforts to call for reunification. Feeling he’s done enough and even southern Gaul is a task for the next generation an exhausted Belisarus receives permission to return home where later he is successful in commanding the Danubian frontier and driving back several large scale raids. Germanus proves a fine and popular Caesar of the West and lives to succeed Justinian as Augustus in 565 by which time Italy is not only well integrated into the Empire but there is growing eagerness on the part of young Romans and Gothic Romans to expand and retake Gaul and the rest of Britain. A fearful Visigoth kingdom, crippled badly by loss of Spain, is overrun by the Franks who maintain hostility to the Empire. More of Britain is secured but poor communications limit what can be done and the regained territory is allowed to run largely as a client kingdom of the Empire. The last task put on Belisarus is as Caesar of the West, largely holding the seat for Germanus’ young son, now a teen, as a favor to his friend and fighting comrade the Augustus Germanus, but he performs well, further consolidating imperial control and appointing trusted Romanized Goths to various high positions, dying in 570 or thereabouts. Gothic loyalty is further secured by affection for their beloved Queen Mathusada and her son, the future Augustus, Germanus the Younger.
 
I'm sure there's some human interaction POD that can delay the plague to a slightly later date so it doesn't coincide with the most crucial period of the Italian invasion, but yes butterflying it away completely is ASB.
Plague and non-plague PODs have always been in the non-ASB fora.
 
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