Yes but I’ll allow the Southern California border to match the Southern AZ and NM one
WI: Arizona has a coast and keeps the Southern part of Nevada
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Yes but I’ll allow the Southern California border to match the Southern AZ and NM one
Baja California no longer has a land connection to Mexico, will that cause any administrative problems?
Looking at the Colorado River Compact Mexico gets 1,500,000-acre-feet a year, here they could be cut out completely.
Looking at the Colorado River Compact Mexico gets 1,500,000-acre-feet a year, here they could be cut out completely.
Well they no longer touch the river so I’d imagine they’re probably cut out as you mentioned
There's a strong possibility of a major port city developing on Arizona's coast that doesn't exist OTL. Without the OTL US-Mexico border this is a logical port for much of the Southwestern US and would take away some of Southern California's OTL growth (though admittedly the climate is worse than California's coast). Such a city probably replaces Phoenix as Arizona's major city, taking the lion's share of the Sunbelt growth in the region, there being a beach and all.
Las Vegas is little more than a small town in this scenario. Possibly a Las Vegas analogue may exist farther north to be within the smaller Nevada, but with that area being so remote most likely Reno just grows bigger and fills part of the role of would-be Las Vegas.
Las Vegas is little more than a small town in this scenario. Possibly a Las Vegas analogue may exist farther north to be within the smaller Nevada, but with that area being so remote most likely Reno just grows bigger and fills part of the role of would-be Las Vegas.
But it would get eclipsed by an American port at the mouth of the river wouldn’t it?
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If a such a port gets built.
There well could be a chain of events which leads to the development of Yuma as a port (e.g railroad reaches it first, Yuma being US territory for some time before the mouth is ceded, etc.) which would then abort a port at the mouth.
I'm not saying that Yuma is the one and only possibility of a port thereabouts - but that it is a possibility.
Bangkok, Saigon, London, Canton, Antwerp, Shanghai, Philladelphia, New Orleans ... all at some distance from the mouth ...
There well could be a chain of events which leads to the development of Yuma as a port (e.g railroad reaches it first, Yuma being US territory for some time before the mouth is ceded, etc.) which would then abort a port at the mouth.
I'm not saying that Yuma is the one and only possibility of a port thereabouts - but that it is a possibility.
Bangkok, Saigon, London, Canton, Antwerp, Shanghai, Philladelphia, New Orleans ... all at some distance from the mouth ...
The Colorado River was barely navigable for large ships and Yuma was about as far as they could get. In all likelihood, the Colorado River won't reach the ocean iTTL just as in OTL, so you can rule out Yuma as a port. Puerto Penasco can possibly be developed into a larger port, but I don't think it's harbor is large or deep enough for container ships or oil tankers.
Did you post this on the /r/Arizona too?
https://www.reddit.com/r/arizona/comments/942t1g/map/?st=JKFTQDYD&sh=e5116e3f
Love seeing their comments there
Maybe southern California isn't as developed thanks to Arizona having more control of the water.
Then it depends if conservationists are able to keep a respectable amount of the Colorado flowing.
Could also be because a transcontinental RR goes the shorter distance to the sea of Cortez over Cali
nope!
but uh tbf I just made it in ten minutes in Paint, so don't mind someone making a bit of karma by posting it there! ^^
The Imperial Valley is the best winter cropland in the United States and the Central Valley will demand Colorado River water eventually. Perhaps a port gets developed in the Delta, but almost 100 miles upstream? I really doubt there'll be enough water unless southern California does not grow like it did in OTL, and a port city in Arizona won't be enough to butterfly away that kind of growth.