WI: An Stronger Nabataean Empire.

The Nabateans were exceptionally skilled traders, facilitating commerce between China, India, the Far East, Egypt, Syria, Greece and Rome. They dealt in such goods as spices, incense, gold, animals, iron, copper, sugar, medicines, ivory, perfumes and fabrics, just to name a few. From its origins as a fortress city, Petra became a wealthy commercial crossroads between the Arabian, Assyrian, Egyptian, Greek and Roman cultures. Control of this crucial trade route between the upland areas of Jordan, the Red Sea, Damascus and southern Arabia was the lifeblood of the Nabatean Empire.

We still know comparatively little about Nabatean society. However, we do know that they spoke a dialect of Arabic and later on adopted Aramaic. Much of what is now known about Nabatean culture comes from the writings of the Roman scholar Strabo. He recorded that their community was governed by a royal family, although a strong spirit of democracy prevailed. According to him there were no slaves in Nabatean society, and all members shared in work duties. The Nabateans worshipped a pantheon of deities, chief among which were the sun god Dushara and the goddess Allat.

As the Nabateans grew in power and wealth, they attracted the attention of their neighbors to the north. The Seleucid King Antigonus, who had come to power when Alexander’s empire was divided, attacked Petra in 312 BCE. His army met with relatively little resistance, and was able to sack the city. The quantity of booty was so great, however, that it slowed their return journey north and the Nabateans were able to annihilate them in the desert. Records indicate that the Nabateans were eager to remain on good terms with the Seleucids in order to perpetuate their trading ambitions. Throughout much of the third century BCE, the Ptolemies and Seleucids warred over control of Jordan, with the Seleucids emerging victorious in 198 BCE. Nabatea remained essentially untouched and independent throughout this period.

Although the Nabateans resisted military conquest, the Hellenistic culture of their neighbors influenced them greatly. Hellenistic influences can be seen in Nabatean art and architecture, especially at the time that their empire was expanding northward into Syria, around 150 BCE. However, the growing economic and political power of the Nabateans began to worry the Romans. In 65 BCE, the Romans arrived in Damascus and ordered the Nabateans to withdraw their forces. Two years later, Pompey dispatched a force to cripple Petra. The Nabatean King Aretas III either defeated the Roman legions or paid a tribute to keep peace with them.

The assassination of Julius Caesar in 44 BCE augured a period of relative anarchy for the Romans in Jordan, and the Parthian kings of Persia and Mesopotamia took advantage of the chaotic situation to attack. The Nabateans made a mistake by siding with the Parthians in their war with the Romans, and after the Parthians’ defeat, Petra had to pay tribute to Rome. When they fell behind in paying this tribute, they were invaded twice by the Roman vassal King Herod the Great. The second attack, in 31 BCE, saw him take control of a large swath of Nabatean territory, including the lucrative northern trading routes into Syria.



Riding through the Siq, Petra.
© Jad Al Younis, Discovery Eco-Tourism
Nonetheless, the Nabateans continued to prosper for a while. King Aretas IV, who ruled from 9 BCE to 40 CE, built a chain of settlements along the caravan routes to develop the prosperous incense trade. The Nabateans realized the power of Rome, and subsequently allied themselves with the Romans to quell the Jewish uprising of 70 CE. However, it was only a matter of time before Nabatea would fall under direct Roman rule. The last Nabatean monarch, Rabbel II, struck a deal with the Romans that as long as they did not attack during his lifetime, they would be allowed to move in after he died. Upon his death in 106 CE, the Romans claimed the Nabatean Kingdom and renamed it Arabia Petrea. The city of Petra was redesigned according to traditional Roman architectural designs, and a period of relative prosperity ensued under the Pax Romana.


The Nabateans profited for a while from their incorporation into the trade routes of the Roman Near East, and Petra may have grown to house 20,000-30,000 people during its heyday. However, commerce became less profitable to the Nabateans with the shift of trade routes to Palmyra in Syria and the expansion of seaborne trade around the Arabian peninsula. Sometime probably during the fourth century CE, the Nabateans left their capital at Petra. No one really knows why. It seems that the withdrawal was an unhurried and organized process, as very few silver coins or valuable possessions have been unearthed at Petra.


So WI, The Nabateans had established an wealthy and millantly powerful Empire between the years of 400 B.C.-700 A.D. With an more Dominating Prescence in Saudi Arabia and The near east? Would Petra still serve as The trading capital of The Silk Rode. And how would Islam arive in an place so defind by their old religon? How would they Hold off The Persians, Macedonians and The Romans? Please feel free to disscuss
 
Empire hardly possible in the dessert

I was in petra and have been deeply impressed by the beauty and power of the buildings, which are scarved into the stone!
some pics on:
www.acclimbatize.co.uk/ images/Petra_Jordan.jpg

but I I think, in this marvellous town never lived more than some thousend people. And there where no peasants surroundig it, as there was no fertile land. The nabateans were pastorals, who randomly lived near an important traderoute and made their best of it. they could not have become an empire.
But if they could have managed to ssurvive powerful until islam arrives-that sounds intresting!
 

NapoleonXIV

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I can't remember the source for this but I have read that the Nabateans later became the modern day bedouin tribe of the Howietat (sp?) of Lawrence of Arabia fame.

Its possible that the area surrounding it might have been more fertile in ancient times and supported an agricultural hinterland. In any case, just being pastoral does not necessarily preclude the ability to build an empire, as the Mongols would probably agree.

If they lasted into Islamic times they might have given Islam itself a more Hellenistic, Greek "feel" but this is doubtful. Their history shows them as an accomodating and peaceful people, far more likely to quietly absorb or be absorbed, into other civilizations eventually.
 

Leo Caesius

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nabaTii in Arabic to this day means a peasant, and in previous centuries had the connotation of one who worshipped pre-islamic religions and spoke Aramaic (as that was, for many centuries after the Islamic conquest, the language of the peasants). There's even a rather off-color style of poetry called nabaTii which may be related to the Nabataeans; certainly some early exemplars of this poetry were recorded in the nabaTii of Iraq, a kind of "street Aramaic."
 

Leo Caesius

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On the train ride back to Boston I was reading Gutas' Greek Thought, Arabic Culture, and had a thought - he says,

With the Abbasid revolution, the foundation of Baghdad, and the transfer of the seat of the caliphate to Iraq, the situation of the Arab empire with regard to its cultural orientations changed drastically. Away from Byzantine influence in Damascus, there developed a new multicultural society in Baghdad based on the completely different demographic mix of population in Iraq. This consisted of (a) Aramaic-speakers, Christians and Jews, who formed the majority of the settled population; (b) Persian-speakers, concentrated primarily in the cities; and (c) Arabs, partly sedentarized and Christian, like those at al-Hira on the Euphrates, and partly nomadic, in the grazing grounds of northern Iraq.​
The first group are the Nabat of Iraq that I mentioned earlier. Earlier he discusses the role of the Nestorian monasteries, and the Sabeans of Harran - an enclave of paganism well into the 10th century - in preserving Greek learning in the Hellenized Middle East and kickstarting the Abbasid Graeco-Arabic translation project (which is the topic of Gutas' book). All of these groups were highly active in the intellectual and political currents of the early Abbasid empire.

Now, the Persians had helped the Abbasids defeat the Umayyads, and gradually freed themselves from the Abbasids as well (a long process, beginning with Abu Moslem in the 8th century and culminating in the 9th century). After reading Gutas' book, I had a vision of a Nabatean Republic in Iraq dominated by Hellenized Pagan and Nestorian Aramaean philosophers. This could be the start of a post-Islamic Nabatean state, albeit a different set of Nabateans - instead, a sort of Aramaean analogue to the Persians.
 
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"After reading Gutas' book, I had a vision of a Nabatean Republic in Iraq dominated by Hellenized Pagan and Nestorian Aramaean philosophers. This could be the start of a post-Islamic Nabatean state, albeit a different set of Nabateans - instead, a sort of Aramaean analogue to the Persians."

That's a very interesting idea. Perhaps I can incorporate that into the "Great North African Crusade" TL...perhaps a Byzantine-sponsored breakaway from the Abbasid Caliphate?
 
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