WI: A Third Hittite Empire is established.

Nice TL! Interesting to see my people stillborn, LOL. Fun trivia fact, one of the theories about the rise of my people is from the Hayasa tribe, which was a Hittite tribe (explaining why we call ourselves Hay; we also call the Hitties "Hayti").

Why didn't Parthia try to leap onto Hatti during the war? You'd think Hatti would be facing OTL Germany's fear of encirclement right about now, especially after the war with Rome. A possible two-front devastator?

Also, without Anatolia, is Rome going to focus more on Europe to become a breadbasket for the Empire? Without the enemy-less African territories or the Near Eastern ones, I can really see the Germans getting the short end of the stick (or, rather, the pointy end of the pilum) on this one, since that is the easiest chance for expansion.
 
Knight Of Armenia said:
Nice TL! Interesting to see my people stillborn, LOL.

Not really stillborn. The Armenians are there, just not independent. :)


Knight Of Armenia said:
Fun trivia fact, one of the theories about the rise of my people is from the Hayasa tribe, which was a Hittite tribe (explaining why we call ourselves Hay; we also call the Hitties "Hayti").

That's a very interesting piece of trivia and an interesting subject. My own research does not indicate a Hittite origin for the Armenians. The Hayassa are mentioned in Hittite texts from the OTL Imperial Period (prior to 1200 BC) as a subject state of the Hittite Empire, so it is possible that the Armenians are, at least in part, descended from Luwians (related to the Hittites). However, classical historians like Herodotus claimed that the Armenians were a Phrygian tribe and originated in Thrace. And it does seem that the closest relatives of the Armenian language are Phrygian and Greek. So possibly the Armenians are a fusion of the pre-existing Luwian Hayassa with the Phrygian invaders who destroyed the Second Hittite Empire?

Knight Of Armenia said:
Why didn't Parthia try to leap onto Hatti during the war? You'd think Hatti would be facing OTL Germany's fear of encirclement right about now, especially after the war with Rome. A possible two-front devastator?

As to why they didn't attack during the War for Hellene Freedom, it was simply because they weren't ready. They had just taken power in the old Persian Empire about 60 years before, and were still getting themselves established firmly on the throne. Also the kings prior to Mithridates I have not been strong kings. Hatti is definitely in a perilous situation now, sandwiched between hostile Rome and hostile Parthia. It should be interesting to see if they can survive. If Rome and Parthia ever decide to team up against Hatti...a very real possibility...Hatti probably doesn't have a chance.

Knight Of Armenia said:
Also, without Anatolia, is Rome going to focus more on Europe to become a breadbasket for the Empire? Without the enemy-less African territories or the Near Eastern ones, I can really see the Germans getting the short end of the stick (or, rather, the pointy end of the pilum) on this one, since that is the easiest chance for expansion.

Yes, I would think so. I think that Gaul (as in OTL, but earlier) and Germania will become Roman provinces during the upcoming century.
 
Two can play that game

How united are the Sakas in India? If while Rome is distracted with internal matters the Hatti and Sakas hit Parthia from two directions. The Hatti may even try to turn it into a Brahman Crusade against the Devil Worshipping Persians. This strategy would require an exceptionally clever Hatti king.

Tom
 
G.Bone said:
Some more questions:

How's life in Mesopotania? (both in Hatti and Parthia)

Well, I would assume that the old Akkadian/Babylonian/Assyrian culture has continued and developed over time. Without the competing influence of Hellenization in this timeline, and the interference of Seleucid monarchs (who in OTL founded a new capital city further north which eclipsed Babylon and eventually lead to the abandonment of said city), Babylon is still a thriving city and cultural center.

G.Bone said:
Has Byzantium taken the aspect of a fortress town due to constant fighting?

Probably to some extent. But then, all cities (or almost all of them) in ancient times were "fortress cities" to a great extent. It was the nature of the world in which they lived.

G.Bone said:
Has many statues or academies been devoted in the memory of Hannibal?

I imagine there are probably some in the Greek States (Athens and allies). And of course there would have been some in Carthage before it was destroyed.

G.Bone said:
Is there a ranking system in the Hattitian (or whatever they're called) Army along the Roman lines?

There would have to be something like that in order for a Roman style army to function properly.

G.Bone said:
Has Hatti become more "militant" due to the series of wars it has fought? How has the civil infrastructure been affected by this?

It would have to have, to some extent. The economy would have to have been mobilized for war. Exactly how, I don't know. But they would have had to find a way to mobilize the large armies they needed without impairing the economy that supported the army.

G.Bone said:
What about the massive amounts of widows and the idea of land ownership?

Hittite families are of the traditional patriarchal sort, and have been since very early times. Women are essentially the property of the male head of household. The father gave his daughter in marriage; the bridegroom paid him the bride-price and thereafter took the bride and possessed her; if she was taken in adultery he had the right to decide her fate. And so, the rule of property would be that, if the head of the household is killed in battle, the widow and the property of the family become the property of the new head of household (the nearest male relative...eldest son, if there is a son, or other male relative if no sons). If the widow then remarries, the new bridegroom will pay the bride price to the new head of household, rather than to the widow's father.

G.Bone said:
Ever thought to post this on google SHWI?

no...I've never actually been on SHWI.
 
Tom_B said:
How united are the Sakas in India? If while Rome is distracted with internal matters the Hatti and Sakas hit Parthia from two directions. The Hatti may even try to turn it into a Brahman Crusade against the Devil Worshipping Persians. This strategy would require an exceptionally clever Hatti king.

Tom

Hatti might well use the Sakas to "double-team" the Parthians. Hatti is going to have to eliminate either Rome or Parthia somehow in order to survive, I think, and Parthia does seem to be the more likely candidate. However, the Sakas are not Hindus...they are probably Zoroastrians like the Persians, having been under Persian rule or influence for centuries. So I don't think an alliance with the local population is likely.

However, another factor is about to enter into the mix...the Yue Chi, who were the ones who drove the Saka southward in the first place, and were known to history as the Kushans when they entered the near east and India. What could happen is that the Parthians subdue the Saka as in OTL; then the Kushans move into India, convert to Hinduism, and then ally with Hatti against the Parthians and the Saka.
 
How has the Messiah cults been faring as of 100 BC?

What has been addressed by the problem of one's King constantly being whacked in battles with his successor also getting whacked by the same practice?

How much research do you do for each installment?

When is the next installment coming?

Who rules in lieu of the Armenians as of OTL? (over their territory)

Has an effort been made by the former Kushites in the Southern reaches of the Hatti Empire to forge a sea route to India?

Have they initiated trade with China by sea?

How has sea exploration fared in this TL?
 
robertp6165 said:
Yes, I would think so. I think that Gaul (as in OTL, but earlier) and Germania will become Roman provinces during the upcoming century.
:D

robertp6165 said:
Hatti might well use the Sakas to "double-team" the Parthians. Hatti is going to have to eliminate either Rome or Parthia somehow in order to survive, I think, and Parthia does seem to be the more likely candidate.
It'd be interesting, actually, to see both sides try to double-team each other. Parthia and Rome vs. Hatti and Saka (or the Kushans). In such a war, I'd expect both Hatti and Parthia to get the short end of the stick (or the aforementioned pointed end of the pilum), which could result in a stronger Kushan empire (or Saka)

robertp6165 said:
However, another factor is about to enter into the mix...the Yue Chi, who were the ones who drove the Saka southward in the first place, and were known to history as the Kushans when they entered the near east and India. What could happen is that the Parthians subdue the Saka as in OTL; then the Kushans move into India, convert to Hinduism, and then ally with Hatti against the Parthians and the Saka.
Mmmm, Kushans.
 
What about having full, and complete support from Hatti in Spartacus' revolt. Maybe with an temporary Alliance with The Parthians/Sakas canbe enough to make the revolt successful and take rome out of the picture before Ceaser comes to power.
 
DominusNovus said:
You know, all you're doing is getting our hopes up by bumping the thread. :rolleyes:

I just about have the next installment ready. I have had a bit of "writer's block" lately, and the current century has had a lot of difficult decisions to make. But as I said, should be ready soon...probably in the next day or so.
 
robertp6165 said:
I just about have the next installment ready. I have had a bit of "writer's block" lately, and the current century has had a lot of difficult decisions to make. But as I said, should be ready soon...probably in the next day or so.

I understand completely. I think my Roman Timeline is evidence enough of that. ;)
 
THE THIRD HITTITE EMPIRE, 100 BC TO 1 AD

THE THIRD HITTITE EMPIRE, 100 BC-1 AD

95 BC--King Mithridates II of Parthia defeats the Saka, who become a subject state of the
Parthian Empire.

94 BC--Gotarzes, a Parthian general, revolts against King Mithridates II (with Hittite aid)
and establishes a rival kingdom in Babylonia and Persis. Beginning of a period of civil
war in the Parthian Empire.

91 BC--Death of King Tuwanuwa V of Hatti. He is succeeded by Labarnash II.
Labarnash is a militarily gifted and diplomatically crafty ruler, and his wise policies will
serve Hatti well during his long reign. Also in this year, a Roman Tribune of the Plebs
named Marcus Livius Drusus is assassinated following a political rally in the Roman
Forum. Drusus had been attempting to push through legislation similar to the Gracchi:
agrarian reform, the founding of colonies, and an increase in the corn-dole for the poor.
But to appease the Senate, whom he knew he had to appease, Drusus also proposed to
give the courts back to the senators (Gaius Gracchus had given court control to the
Equites in 123 BC) and increasing the Senate's membership from 300 to 600, which
should also appease the Equites who would become the new senators. Unfortunately for
Drusus, in these proposals trying to appease everyone, they appeased no one. Neither the
Senate nor the Equites supported it. Then, Drusus had broached a sensitive topic in
Rome: he proposed Roman citizenship for all of the Italian allies (socii). Citizenship had
been an issue with the Gracchi, it had reared its head with Marius and the army, and now
it becomes the vital issue of the time. The allies (socii) have fought Rome's wars--they
risk their lives to protect the welfare of Roman citizens and Rome itself. And while they
shed blood to protect Rome, they serve under the authority of Roman commanders. Allies
have no legal rights in this regard, and the Romans under the current system have their
way with the lower class, non-citizen allied soldiery. After the assassination of Drusus,
the socii, whose rights he was championing, become inflamed and they revolt against
Rome. Thus begins the Social War.

90-88 BC--The "Social War" between Rome and it’s Italian allies, who are demanding
greater citizenship rights. In response, Rome undercuts the military rebellion by extending
citizenship to all of Italia south of the Po River. Roman citizenship and the right to vote
is limited by the requirement of physical presence in Rome on voting day, but
nevertheless, the allies have essentially gotten what they wanted, and most of them give
up the rebellion. But not all, and Rome spends the next two years defeating the cities still
in revolt. In the end, the rebellion is crushed by Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Gaius Marius,
and Pompey Strabo.

90 BC--Death of King Mithridates II of Parthia in battle against the forces of Gotarzes I.
He is succeeded by his son, who reigns as King Orodes I.

89-82 BC--War between Hatti and Parthia. Seeking to take advantage of the civil war
then raging in the Parthian Empire, King Labarnash II of Hatti makes an alliance with
King Maues of the Saka, and together Hatti and the Saka attack Parthia from the east and
the west. King Gotarzes of Babylonia/Persis is the first to fall, being defeated and killed
in battle with the Hittites in 87 BC. King Orodes II of Parthia manages to hold off the
two-front onslaught of the Hittites and Saka until 82 BC, when he is finally defeated and
killed outside the city of Ecbatana, ending the Arsacid Dynasty. The Parthian Empire
ceases to exist. Hatti absorbs southern Mesopotamia and Elymais (former Elam), while
the Saka take the eastern provinces of Bactria, Aria, Drangiana and Chorasmia. Parthia
itself, Media, and Persis are left as independent buffer states, with puppet dynasties
imposed by mutual agreement of Hatti and the Saka.

88 BC--Death of King Cleomenes IV of Sparta. He is succeeded by Lycurgus I.

87-76 BC--First Roman Civil War. Following the Social War, rivalry between Gaius
Marius (who is now champion of the Populares, the party which promotes the ideals and
reforms of the Gracchi in Rome) and Lucius Cornelius Sulla (a supporter of the old
conservative Senatorial power clique) leads to civil war between the two factions.
Although Marius and his supporters are temporarily successful in seizing power in Rome,
Sulla (who realizes the potential power which the military reforms made by Marius
during the Jugurthine War gives to commanders by making troops loyal to their
commander rather than to the Roman State) takes the unprecedented step of leading his
legions against Rome itself, seizing control of the city by military force and declaring
himself Dictator. Marius, and his colleague Lucius Cornelius Cinna, thereupon swear an
oath not to begin a revolution against Sulla’s rule, but almost immediately begin planning
to renege on the oath, which was administered under duress.
In 86 BC, Cinna slips away from Rome and raises an army among the recently
defeated Italian allies, many of whom are still not happy with the representation given to
them following the Social War. Sulla’s forces are temporarily defeated and forced to
retreat from Rome, and the triumphant Marians begin a reign of terror in which many of
Sulla’s followers in Rome are massacred. Marius dies soon afterward, leaving Cinna
(with his new co-Consul Lucius Valerus Flaccus) in command of Rome. Shortly
afterward, an up-and-coming young politician named Gaius Julius Caesar marries
Cornelia, daughter of Cinna, in an attempt to ally himself with the new powers-that-be.
However, Sulla is not through yet, and, supported by Gnaeus Pompeius (son of
Pompey Strabo) and Marcus Licinius Crassus (the richest man in Rome), returns with a
new army in 84 BC. Cinna’s army is defeated and Sulla re-takes Rome. In retaliation for
the Marian reign of terror, Sulla executes many Marians (Gaius Julius Caesar flees Rome
for a time to avoid this fate, but will later return and make his peace with Sulla), banishes
many others from Rome, and reforms the Roman constitution, reducing the power of the
Tribunes of the Plebs, increasing the power of the Senate, and in general, rolling back
many of the reforms passed by the Populares over the past century.
But the cause of the Populares is taken up by Quintus Sertorius, who leads the largest
remnants of the Marian party to Hispania in 83 BC, where he establishes himself as the
virtual ruler of that province. Sertorius follows very statesmanlike policies in Hispania,
and manages to rally the populace behind him. His announced object is to build up a
stable government in the country with the consent and co-operation of the native people.
He establishes a senate of 300 members, drawn from primarily from Roman emigrants,
but with a sprinkling of the best Spaniards, and surrounds himself with a Spanish
bodyguard. For the children of the chief native families he provides a school where they
receive a Roman education and even adopt the dress of Roman youths, thus binding them
closely to his regime. The various tribes of Hispania are very enthusiastically supportive
of him, and Sertorius is able (with financial and military support from King Labarnash II
of Hatti, with whom Sertorius negotiates successfully) to raise a powerful army from the
warlike tribes of Hispania. Although Sertorius loses some battles, he wins more often,
and is able to maintain his army in being, despite the best efforts of the Roman armies
(under the command of Gnaeus Pompeius and Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius) sent
against him by Sulla.
Sulla dies in 78 BC, and leaves no clear successor. Renewed civil war breaks out
between the pro-Sulla faction, lead now by Quintus Lutatius Catulus, and the faction of
Marcus Aemilius Lepidus, who opposes the constitutional reforms of Sulla. Gnaeus
Pompeius returns to Italy from Hispania, and in cooperation with Catulus, defeats
Lepidus in 77 BC (Lepidus flees to Sardinia, where he dies the same year). Thus the
pro-Sulla faction is able to retain power in Rome.
The following year (76 BC), Gnaeus Pompeius returns to Hispania to campaign
against Sertorius. He is initially successful, but is finally again defeated outside
Saguntum, and Sertorius drives Roman forces from Hispania. Sertorius shortly afterward
declares the independence of Hispania from Rome, which is greeted with wild
enthusiasm by the native inhabitants. King Labarnash II of Hatti immediately recognizes
the independence of Hispania, and soon makes a formal alliance with Sertorius. Not
wanting to end up in a two-front war, Rome signs a treaty with Sertorius before the end of
the year, recognizing the independence of Hispania. The civil war at last comes to an
end.

87 BC--Death of the Han Chinese Emperor Wu Ti. The Emperor Chao Ti assumes the
throne. Emperor Wu Ti’s reign has seen great changes in Chinese society that will mark
the civilization for centuries to come. For example, Wu Ti has decided that Taoism is no
longer suitable as a state philosophy for China, and has officially declared China to be a
Confucian state. However, like the emperors before him, he has combined Legalist
methods with the Confucian ideal. This official adoption of Confucianism has led to not
only a civil service nomination system, but also to a requirement of compulsory
knowledge of Confucian classics of candidates for the imperial bureaucracy, a
requirement that will last for centuries to come. Confucian scholars thus gain prominent
status as the core of the civil service.
Wu Ti has also reformed the land ownership and tax systems, effectively legalizing the
privatization of lands. Land taxes are now drawn based on the sizes of fields, and no
longer on the amount of the harvest. This has had an unintended effect of creating a class
of wealthy landowners and reducing most of the population to a state of near serfdom.
Wu Ti’s reform of the tax system, on paper, guarantees the government a steady flow of
revenue from year to year. But in practice, since peasants depend on their harvest for
their income, they can not always pay the standard taxes assessed on their land under the
new system. Thus, small peasant freeholders find themselves forced to sell their land to
wealthy merchants and nobles who can pay the taxes. And since the peasants have no
place else to go, they are forced to stay and till the land for the new owners, effectively
reducing themselves to serfdom in the process. This will provide the seed for peasant
revolts which will disrupt Chinese society time and time again in the centuries to come.
And the newly created class of wealthy landowners will also come to be a threat to the
Imperial throne as the landowning families become allied with each other through
marriage and gradually gain power over the selection of officials.

85 BC--The Second League of Delos is formed. Over the past two-and-a-half centuries,
the Greek Polei which are allied to Hatti have become ever more closely linked
economically, and there have, for some time, been many who argue that these links
should also be moved into the political realm as well. In 85 BC, representatives from
these states meet on the holy island of Delos to discuss the possibility of unification.
They reach an agreement to form a new League of Delos...in essence, a federal-style
government for the city-states of Greece. The federal government of the league will be in
the form of an assembly, in which each polis has one vote, which will meet four times per
year on Delos in order to discuss and legislate on matters pertaining to the whole league.
An Archon, selected by the Delian Assembly for a one year term, will hold executive
power and command the armed forces of the League. Local government in the individual
polei will continue as before (almost all of the cities have some form of democratic
assembly), and the League will not have power to interfere in the internal affairs of any
member polis. The League will have the power to collect taxes from the individual polei,
and the individual polei will no longer be permitted to maintain their own military forces,
which now become the responsibility of the League (it is stipulated that the military may
not be used against any member polis without a 4/5 majority vote of the Delian
Assembly). Member polei are each assigned a quota of troops and warships, to be
equipped and trained in a uniform manner specified by the League, to serve with the
League military forces, where they will be commanded by officers selected by the
Archon.

82 BC--Romans inflict a final defeat on the Celts in Italy; Roman province of Gallia
Cisaplina formed.

80 BC--Gaius Julius Caesar leaves Rome for military service with the forces of Gnaeus
Pompeius in Hispania. As a result of his service, Caesar wins the corona civica (award
for personal heroism. For the rest of his life he will be awarded public honors (such as
being able to wear his laurel crown on all public occasions). He is also permitted to sit in
the Senate without age restriction.

75 BC--Leaving Rome to study rhetoric in Rhodes, Gaius Julius Caesar is captured by
pirates and held for ransom. Caesar, when released, returns and crucifies all the pirates.
He then continues on to Rhodes to study under famous rhetorician Apollonius Molon.

74 BC--In Rome, the inevitable reaction against the arch-conservative policies of the
pro-Sulla faction has begun to set in, and concessions are being made. This is hastened
when Gnaeus Pompeius returns from Hispania and along with Marcus Licinius Crassus,
switches his allegiance from the Optimates (pro-Sulla party) to the Populares. The
Tribunes of the Plebs receive many (but not all) of their powers back, and many of the
reforms of the Populares are reinstated.

73-62 BC--The Spartacid War. In 73 BC, Spartacus, a Thracian gladiator, leads a
rebellion at a gladiatorial school in Capua. Along with other gladiators, Spartacus
escapes and proceeds to raise an army of escaped slaves which ravages southern Italy.
Spartacus then moves north, aiming to cross the Alps and escape into Gaul, but is forced
by a near mutiny among his followers to give up this plan and head south again. In the
process, Spartacus meets, and defeats, several Roman armies, creating a panic in Rome.
Upon reaching southern Italy again, Spartacus makes contact with agents of Sertorius and
King Labarnash II of Hatti, and with their aid, manages to transport his army to Sicily in
71 BC.
Once in Sicily, Spartacus leads the Sicilian slaves into rebellion, and with their aid,
establishes control over the whole island. Spartacus is proclaimed King of Sicilia by his
followers, and this is immediately recognized by Sertorius and Labarnash, who are both
eager to see the strategically important island of Sicily liberated from Rome and under the
control of a friendly regime. A Hittite fleet shortly thereafter takes up station at Syracuse
and begins patrolling the waters around Sicily. When the Roman Senate learns of this,
they issue an ultimatum to Hatti and Hispania, warning them to cease interfering in
“Roman internal affairs†or face war with Rome. Sertorius and Labarnash consider the
maintenance of an independent Sicily as strategically vital in keeping the sea route
between Hispania and Hatti open, and they do not back down. Accordingly, on March
14, 70 BC, the Roman Senate declares war on Hatti and Hispania.
The Greek League of Delos and Sparta declare themselves neutral in the conflict, and
as a result, most of the war is fought at sea between the rival fleets of Rome, Hatti, and
Hispania, as almost all of the natural invasion routes between the countries involved are
sea routes. In these contests, the Hispano/Hittite fleets generally have the better of it.
Therefore, Hispania is able to land an invasion force in north Africa to cooperate with
Hittite forces advancing from Cyrenacia. And since Rome is not able to land
reinforcements, Rome’s north African provinces fall to the allies within two years. The
naval fighting in the Aegean and Black Sea is inconclusive, with neither side gaining the
upper hand. Therefore Rome is unable to land an invasion force in Anatolia, nor is Hatti
able to land a force in Thrace. The fighting between Roman and Hittite fleets off Sicily
also proves indecisive, which prevents Rome from landing troops on that island. But
Rome is able to send an invasion force overland to attack Hispania, and this they do,
resulting in the most sanguinary fighting of the war. Sertorius, however, although his
army is severely battered, manages to hold off the Roman assault and later, when Hittite
reinforcements cross from Africa, to finally expel the Roman invasion force from
Hispania in 64 BC. Finally, in 62 BC, the Roman Senate responds to a peace overture
from King Ura Tarhundas IV of Hatti and agrees to negotiate for an end to the war. The
terms of the treaty which follows stipulate that Sicilian independence must be recognized
by Rome. Hatti and Hispania agree to guarantee that the newly independent Sicily does
not become a base for piracy against Roman shipping in the area, or a launch pad for
seaborne raids against Roman cities (Spartacus protests this provision somewhat loudly,
but Labarnash and Sertorius make it clear that the provision must be obeyed). Rome will
also give up all claim to it’s north African provinces in exchange for a payment of 10,000
talents of silver (5,000 talents from Hispania and 5,000 from Hatti). Hatti and Hispania
will jointly administer the provinces as a protectorate. Finally, Hatti and Hispania
guarantee to cease interference in Rome’s internal affairs.

73 BC--Death of Emperor Chao Ti of Han China. He is succeeded by Hsuan Ti.

72 BC--Death of King Lycurgus I of Sparta. He is succeeded by Lycurgus II.

68 BC--Death of King Labarnash II of Hatti. He is succeeded by Ura-Tarhundas IV.
Ura-Tarhundas is a virtual carbon-copy of his great father, and Hatti will prosper under
his wise leadership.

62 BC onward--King Spartacus of Sicilia organizes his kingdom. He creates what is
essentially a limited, constitutional monarchy, with the King’s powers limited by a
legislative body (modeled on the Roman Senate) whose members are elected by the
people of the cities and provinces of Sicilia. He has previously, as one of his first acts,
abolished slavery throughout Sicilia, and extended citizenship to all people living on the
island, whether of Roman, Greek, Punic, or native Sicilian stock. He also seized the
estates of large landowners (most of whom were killed when the slave revolt seized
control of the island) and redistributed the land to the freed slaves and other landless
people. He remains very popular with the masses as a result, and will enjoy a long and
relatively peaceful reign. Sicilia will use it’s advantageous position as a “gateway†for
trade between the eastern and western Mediterranean to great advantage, and the kingdom
will prosper mightily.

62-40 BC--Period of relative peace between the great powers. During this period, Roman
armies, under the command of capable generals such as Gnaeus Pompeius, Gaius Julius
Caesar, and less capable ones such as Marcus Licinius Crassus, move north into Gaul,
Germania, and Britain, conquering the Celtic and Germanic tribes there and annexing
those areas into the Roman Empire. By the end of the period, Rome’s northern borders
sit on the Oder, the Danube, and the Firth of Forth.

60 BC onward--Sertorius reforms the governmental structure of Hispania. In response to
complaints from the native tribes that Roman emigres are heavily over-represented in the
Hispanian Senate, Sertorius creates a bi-cameral legislature. The Senate will, as before,
be composed primarily of Roman Emigres, with, as before, some representation of the
Romanized noble families of the native peoples of Hispania. The second house, called
the Tribunate, will be elected by popular vote of each province. The number of
representatives from each province will be determined by the population of the province,
and Sertorius orders a census to be taken every ten years so that the seats in the new
house can be properly apportioned. All laws have to be approved by majority vote of
both houses. Sertorius also sets up a legal system of succession for the office of Consul,
which he currently holds, as he realizes he is getting old and will likely not be around
much longer. Basically, he has the chief member of the Senate succeed him until an
election is held (within no more than one year) to choose a permanent successor.

57 BC-- A kingdom is established in the Silla region of south Korea with capital in
Kyongju.

55 BC--First Triumverate formed by Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (so named for his
triumphs in Germania), Gaius Julius Caesar, and Marcus Licinius Crassus. This
combination will dominate Roman politics for the next decade.

53 BC--Death of Sertorius. The new system of succession which he established for
Hispania works as designed, and a new Consul is peacefully elected to replace him.

51 BC --Death of King Ura-Tarhundas IV of Hatti. He is succeeded by Anitta III. Anitta
III is a weak king, and also not a Hellenophile. In fact, he begins acting aggressively
toward the Greek cities on the Anatolian coast, causing a rift in the Graeco-Hittite
alliance which does not go un-noticed by outside powers. Also at this time, the Hsiung
Nu Empire breaks apart. The Hsiung Nu split into two hordes, with the eastern
(southern) horde surrendering to China.

50 BC--The western Huns (Hsiung Nu) expand to the Volga.

48 BC--The Hsiung Nu empire completely disintegrates. The Hsiung Nu tribes will war
among themselves for quite some time, thus removing a serious threat from China’s
borders. Also in this year, Emperor Hsuan Ti of Han China dies, and is succeeded by
Yuan Ti. And also in this year, Marcus Lincinius Crassus is killed while campaigning in
Britannia. The alliance between Gaius Julius Caesar (who is now the champion of the
Populares) and Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (who has switched his allegiance back to the
Optimates) begins to break up, as Crassus is no longer there to defuse conflicts between
the two.

46 BC--Death of King Lycurgus II of Sparta. He is succeeded by Pausanias II. King
Pausanias will be a militarily gifted and aggressive king, and will seek to take advantage
of the rift between the League of Delos and Hatti to fulfill the dreams of King Leonidas
III and to unify Greece under the banner of Sparta. He immediately begins preparing for
war.

44-40 BC--Second Roman Civil War. In 44 BC, Gnaeus Pompeius wins the political
struggle between himself and Caesar in the Senate and Caesar is ordered to dismiss his
army and report to Rome for trial. Caesar refuses, and crosses the Rubicon with his army.
Pompeius flees to Germania, where his old legions are stationed, and raises an army
against Caesar. Thus begins a four-year war, which is bitterly contested. But in the end,
Pompeius is defeated and killed in northern Italy by Caesar’s army, and Gaius Julius
Caesar emerges as the dominant political figure in Rome. He is declared Dictator for
Life in 40 BC.

42 BC--Death of King Spartacus of Sicilia. He is succeeded by his son, who reigns as
Spartacus II.

40-35 BC--Dictatorship of Julius Caesar. Following his victory over Pompeius and the
Optimates, Caesar attacks the intractable social problems which have bedeviled Rome
since the time of the Gracchi, including what to do with the landless poor. He declares a
general amnesty for all who had taken arms against him in the Civil War. He orders the
taking of an exact census of the city and reorganizes and reduces the distribution of free
grain, reducing those on the dole from 300,000 to 150,000. He founds dozens of civilian
and military colonies in the non-Italian provinces, to which eventually 80,000 of the
turbulent Roman poor are transported as well as veterans. He grants citizenship (and all
its benefits) to doctors and teachers, many of whom were Greek. The owners of large
landed estates are required to hire a third of their farm workers from free men rather than
slaves, to avoid the problem of forcing landless workers into the overcrowded towns. He
abolishes the private guilds which have become breeding-grounds for the fighting mobs
of various demagogues.
Caesar also makes sweeping changes in how the provinces are governed. He steps up
criminal penalties for corruption and makes laws limiting the terms of provincial
governors. He limits the terms of propraetors to one year and of proconsuls to two
consecutive years--both to prevent others from acquiring a power base from which to
launch another civil war, as well as to discourage the wholesale provincial robbery of the
past. Perhaps most importantly to the provinces, after decades of rapacious Roman
tax-gatherers plundering for their own profit, he abolishes the existing tax system.
Instead, he returns to the earlier policy of permitting the provinces themselves to collect
and pay tribute without middlemen. Most importantly of all, Caesar sees provincial
political enfranchisement as a vital necessity for the workable growth of empire, and
begins making moves in that direction.
All these reforms are opposed by the conservative patricians in the Senate, but are
passed because Caesar’s power seems unstoppable. Caesar also creates opposition to his
rule by increasing the number of Senators and filling the vacancies with those loyal to
himself, including many people who are not of patrician or equestrian birth. Soon
centurions, men without name or reputation, even barbarians (supposedly in hairy
breeches, although more likely provincial Roman citizens) are sitting in the hallowed
halls of the Senate, to the disgust of the old patrician elite.
Caesar’s enemies begin spreading rumours that Caesar intends to make himself King
of Rome...which Caesar has explicitly denied. But the rumours have their effect, and a
conspiracy forms against Caesar, which culminates in Caesar’s assassination in 35 BC.

40-32 BC--The War of Hellene Unification. In 40 BC, the new Spartan King, Pausanias
II, declares war on the League of Delos and invades Attica, laying siege to Athens. The
Archon of the League of Delos, Democritas of Phocas, leads the League’s army to the
relief of Athens, and the two armies meet on the old battleground at Plataea. Pausanias
is victorious, and the League’s army is routed.
In early 39 BC, the Spartan navy defeats the fleet of the League of Delos off the coast
of Attica, cutting off Athens from outside aid. The fleet then transports a second Spartan
army to Crete, which is brought under Spartan control by the end of the year. Meanwhile,
the city of Athens falls later that year, and Pausanias declares Attica to be officially
annexed by the Spartan state.
In 38 BC, Pausanias marches north, laying siege to Thebes and defeating another
Delian army sent to the relief of that city. Thebes proves to be a very tough nut to crack,
however, and holds out against the Spartan siege for several years. And the heavy defeats
inflicted on the League of Delos prevent them from mounting any major military action
during the time period, either.
In 35 BC, the fleet of the League of Delos, under the new Archon, Anaxagoras of
Lesbos, inflicts a heavy defeat on the Spartan fleet off Corinth, and Anaxagoras leads a
new army in a seaborne invasion of the Peloponnesus itself, moving inland and laying
siege to Corinth and Argos. Pausanias abandons the siege of Thebes and moves swiftly
to the relief of Corinth, where he meets the Delian League army in battle. Although the
Spartans are victorious once again...virtually annihilating the Delian army...Pausanias is
killed, and his successor, Leonidas IV, is unable to immediately follow up on the victory.
In 34 BC, King Anitta III of Hatti takes advantage of the warfare between the Greek
states to sieze control of and annex the Greek cities on the coast of Anatolian coast. This
will have dramatic impacts later on.
In 33 BC, Spartan King Leonidas IV moves north and lays siege to Thebes, the
Spartans again defeating a Delian League army sent to the relief of the city. The city,
weakened by the previous siege, falls by the end of the year. The Spartan navy also
re-establishes control over the Aegean, devastating the Delian League fleet in battle off
Crete (where the League was trying to land an army to recover the island from Sparta).
In 32 BC, with the conquest of the two strongest member polei of the League of Delos,
and the betrayal of the Great King of Hatti, friction among the remaining member states
finally leads to the collapse of the League. The remaining mainland cities surrender to
Sparta and are annexed. With the exception of a few island states which still cling
precariously to independence, Greece is now unified for the first time in it’s history.

37 BC--A second kingdom, Kogoryu, arises in Korea.

35 BC--Death of King Pausanias II of Sparta in battle. He is succeeded by Leonidas IV.

35-28 BC--Third Roman Civil War. In the aftermath of Caesar’s assassination, civil war
again breaks out between Caesar’s supporters...lead by Marcus Antonius (also known as
Mark Antony) and Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (also known as Octavian, adopted heir
of Caesar)...and the assassins of Caesar, lead by Quintus Cassius Longinus and Marcus
Junius Brutus. A series of campaigns and battles will lead ultimately to the defeat of the
assassins in 28 BC. Antony and Octavian, along with Marcus Aemilius Lepidus, form the
Second Triumverate. Octavian is left in control of Italy...center of Roman
power...Lepidus in Gaul and Germania; and Antony in Macedon and Illyricum. Antony
and Octavian almost immediately begin to scheme against each other, seeking total power
for themselves. But despite this, the Second Triumverate will manage to co-exist
peacefully for over a decade.

33 BC--Death of King Anitta III of Hatti. At his death, the Crown Prince is murdered and
throne is usurped by a noble of the old royal house of Carchemish (a rival dynasty to the
family from Azatiwataya which has ruled the empire up to now), who takes the throne as
King Piyassili. Piyassili methodically hunts down and murders all remaining members of
the royal house and closely related houses, ending the dynasty established by Talmi Tesub
I. Beginning of a period of instability as noble families from other Hittite cities begin to
maneuver to seize the throne for themselves.

32 BC--Death of Emperor Yuan Ti of Han China. He is succeeded by Cheng Ti.
However, the widow of the emperor Yüan Ti succeeds in placing all of her relatives in
government positions and ruling in place of her son.

31-20 BC--Axumite and Kushite revolts. Taking advantage of the chaos in the Hittite
empire following the usurpation of the throne by Piyassili, revolts break out in the
provinces of Kush and Axum. The Hittite garrisons are thrown out, and the two
kingdoms re-establish their independence.

30 BC--King Piyassili is himself murdered, and the throne is usurped by a noble from the
city of Milid, who takes the throne as King Halpasulupis.

30-27 BC--War between Sparta and Epirus. In 30 BC, King Leonidas IV of Sparta
declares war on Epirus, and in a series of campaigns lasting three years, conquers it.
Epirus is annexed by the Spartan state.

24 BC--A prince who is distantly related to the old royal family from Azatiwataya rebels
against the Milidian usurper Halpasulupis and seizes the throne. He will reign as King
Warpalawa III and have a long and successful reign, establishing a new dynasty,
reunifying the country and restoring stability.

22 BC--In Han China, slave revolts begin in the government iron works. They will
continue for several years, weakening the Han regime.

18 BC--The Kingdom of Paekche arises in Korea. Also in this year, King Spartacus II of
Sicilia dies, and is succeeded by his son, who reigns as King Phillip I.

17-12 BC--Fourth Roman Civil War. The continuous scheming of Antony against
Octavian and vice verse finally leads to war between the two. Lepidus declares himself
neutral, and Antony has been cultivating a friendly relationship with and receiving
financial and military support from King Warpalawa III of Hatti, and this will prove
decisive in the civil war. Antony’s army defeats that of Octavian outside the city of
Mediolanum (OTL modern Milan) in 15 BC, and Octavian is captured and executed.
Octavian’s supporter, Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa, continues the war, but is himself
defeated and killed in 14 BC. Antony marches on Rome, and is proclaimed Dictator.
Lepidus then declares war on Antony, and is in turn defeated in 13 BC. Lepidus escapes,
however, and raises another army in Britannia. Antony leads an army across the Oceanus
Britannicus (English Channel) in pursuit, and defeats the forces of Lepidus near the town
of Londinium in 12 BC. Antony is supreme in Rome.

12 BC-3 BC--Dictatorship of Mark Antony. Antony assumes the title of Dictator for Life
which had been bestowed on Julius Caesar, and continues and expands on Caesar’s
reforms of the Roman governmental system. He is aided in this by the fact that the power
of the arch-conservative Optimate faction has been destroyed in the Civil Wars, and the
Roman people are heartily tired of the factionalism and want stability, and thus they
support reforms which seem aimed at eliminating conflict from the society. In the end,
Antony will be remembered as the savior of the Republic...he reforms the military system
so as to prevent ambitious generals from using their armies as a springboard for political
power, he finally breaks the power of the elites and makes the Roman political system
universal in nature, and extends full citizenship to the people of the provinces. The final
system which emerges is much more responsive to the will of the Roman people, while
being at the same time much more stable and less factionalized. Rome will prosper
mightily as a result. Shortly before his death in 3 BC, he resigns from the office of
Dictator, but before doing so he institutes a system of orderly succession to the office of
Dictator, which is now made permanently the supreme executive office of the Republic
(Basically the structure now is 1 Dictator selected by the Senate for a six year term,
supported by 2 Consuls who are elected by the people for one-year terms, who are in turn
supported by the traditional Praetors, Tribunes, Censors, and other officials).

15-13 BC--King Warpalawa III of Hatti campaigns in Kush, but is unable to restore
Hittite control in the region.

14 BC--Peasant revolts begin in Han China. The peasants join forces with the slaves
from the government iron works, who have been in revolt since 22 BC.

12 BC--Death of King Leonidas IV of Sparta. He is succeeded by Archidamus VI.

11 BC--In the aftermath of the victorious conclusion of the Fourth Roman Civil War, and
in gratitude for the role played by King Warpalawa III of Hatti in that victory, Mark
Antony signs a formal military alliance between Rome and Hatti. This inaugurates a
period of peaceful cooperation between the various states of the Mediterranean basin
which will last for some time.

6 BC--Death of Emperor Cheng Ti of Han China. He is succeeded by Ai Ti.

4 BC--Yeshua (Jesus) born in the Hittite province of Israel.

3 BC--Death of Mark Antony, of natural causes, in Rome. The Senate selects as Dictator Nero
Claudius Drusus Germanicus, who had married Mark Antony’s daughter and had been,
under Antony, a successful general in Germania, making punitive raids beyond the Oder
in response to barbarian incursions from beyond the Roman frontier. Germanicus will
serve a six year term, and then peacefully transfer power to his successor, setting an
important precedent and showing that system established by Mark Antony really works.

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Very original. Rome has some serious resemblance to the Holy Roman Empire, geographically. It'll be interesting to see how the Germanic Invasions do. It will, of course, be much weaker. Of course, we've got plenty of nomads after them, maybe the Roman Empire falls to various slavic tribes...

You know, with the Hittites reeling a bit, I could see a Persian King restoring the Empire (ala the Sassanids). Especially if the Kushans or the White Huns knock Sakastan down a notch or two.

I honestly don't see Sicily remaining independent for too long, I expect the moment something goes wrong there, the Romans gobble them up. Perhaps a joint Roman/Hittite protectorate, now that they're buddy buddy. Hispania too, maybe (maybe they agree to a partition, Rome gets Hispania, Hatti gets N. Africa, and they split Sicily).
 
Take a Bow

This really is excellent. Sicily as a Spartacist refuge Marc Anthony as the Savior of the Republic. Constituional Dictatorship(?!) Hatti is in a period of internal difficulty but looks to be only temporary, but it may lure Rome into trying to crush Sicily which it will see as a subversive threat.

But alas you are going to have to deal with Jesus and that is going to be very problematic.

Still think Hinduism is going to emrge with permanent differences as well.

Tom
 
Tjis is exactly how I wanted It, Great Job, With Spartacus,Sparta, Hispania and Taking out Parthia. Hatti has survived, The time before christ. Now i cant wait to see how the A.D. Turns out?
 
Also taking a bow...

I must say that this TL is the most complex and detailed that I've seen on this board and google. I really like the introduction of our democratic government wayyyyyy early as well as the consequences of certain historical figures lasting longer than OTL. BTW- I noticed a trend with the Hittite kings following in their footsteps of their predecessor. Will this come back to the Hittites once they get back up from the rut they are in?
 
DominusNovus said:
Very original. Rome has some serious resemblance to the Holy Roman Empire, geographically. It'll be interesting to see how the Germanic Invasions do. It will, of course, be much weaker. Of course, we've got plenty of nomads after them, maybe the Roman Empire falls to various slavic tribes...

As for the Germans, Rome is probably going to expand further into Europe and end up absorbing most of them before they get the chance to become a threat. But as you say, there are plenty of other nomads to come...

DominusNovus said:
You know, with the Hittites reeling a bit, I could see a Persian King restoring the Empire (ala the Sassanids). Especially if the Kushans or the White Huns knock Sakastan down a notch or two.

That will probably happen in the next century...either a Parthian resurgence or a Persian dynasty.

DominusNovus said:
I honestly don't see Sicily remaining independent for too long, I expect the moment something goes wrong there, the Romans gobble them up.

Definitely a possibility. If the Hittites drop the ball and allow the Sicilians to go into piracy or start launching slave-liberation raids on Roman coasts, this would definitely happen. So far the Hittites have been keeping the heirs fo Spartacus on their good behaviour, so this hasn't happened...yet.

DominusNovus said:
Perhaps a joint Roman/Hittite protectorate, now that they're buddy buddy. Hispania too, maybe (maybe they agree to a partition, Rome gets Hispania, Hatti gets N. Africa, and they split Sicily).

I don't know if the Hittites will want to partition the independent powers. They serve as a useful buffer and prevent anyone from getting powerful enough to attempt a takeover of the whole region (which the Romans were poised to do before their political problems of the last century).
 
Tom_B said:
This really is excellent.

Thank you. :)

Tom_B said:
Sicily as a Spartacist refuge Marc Anthony as the Savior of the Republic. Constituional Dictatorship(?!)

yep. "Constitutional Dictatorship" sounds kind of strange in this day and age, but it really wouldn't have been that strange for ancient Rome.

Tom_B said:
Hatti is in a period of internal difficulty but looks to be only temporary, but it may lure Rome into trying to crush Sicily which it will see as a subversive threat.

That's very possible, especially if, as I stated elsewhere, a weak Hittite King allows the heirs of Spartacus to try raiding or piracy...or possibly to export their revolution...

Tom_B said:
But alas you are going to have to deal with Jesus and that is going to be very problematic.

Should be interesting to figure out...

Tom_B said:
Still think Hinduism is going to emrge with permanent differences as well.

Tom

No doubt it has already, although I haven't discussed it much in the timeline.
 
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