what variation of a Japanese victory scenario would occur for these outcomes to occur?

"Outcomes" being the exaggerated and paranoid fears of WW2 Americans who thought Japan had the resources and manpower to invade and conquer the US.

What sort of Japanese Victory scenario would have to play out in order for such things to happen to the US? Absurd things such as Yamamoto in the White House or Tojo shaking hands with Mickey mouse?
 
Japan withdraws from China, normalizes relations with the US, opens normal trade again, and the Japanese leadership engages in goodwill diplomatic visits like you describe.
 
The wholesale destruction of the American industrial capacity to sustain its wartime effort is the only way you can get America to capitulate.
 
US and Japan conquer China and Indo China. The US get the bulk of the Islands and the former FIC territory nearest the Phillipines, while China and the rest goes to Japan.

The brother allies visit each others' countries afterwards.
 
No holds barred Anglo-American war in the 20's and 30's. Japan moves in to occupy the rubble.

Mickey Mouse is captured and brought back to Japan.
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Japan invades the UK in Operation Sea-Rion.
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Japan withdraws from China, normalizes relations with the US, opens normal trade again, and the Japanese leadership engages in goodwill diplomatic visits like you describe.
I don't think they'd have to withdraw from China. They could probably get away with digesting Manchuria and part of China. But they'd have to tone the atrocities down a good bit and not expand their wars in China much beyond its 1939 levels.
 
"Outcomes" being the exaggerated and paranoid fears of WW2 Americans who thought Japan had the resources and manpower to invade and conquer the US.

What sort of Japanese Victory scenario would have to play out in order for such things to happen to the US? Absurd things such as Yamamoto in the White House or Tojo shaking hands with Mickey mouse?
One sort of “Japanese Victory scenario” would be if Japan could have been the first nation to develop the atomic bomb. Japan could then continually drop these atomic bombs over American cities. In OTL the Japanese had no defense against the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs dropped by the United States and quickly surrendered once they were used.. With the roles reversed, the Americans would also be defenseless.

Like the other Great Powers in the 1930s, Japan had a nuclear weapons program.
Wikipedia said:
During World War II, Japan had several programs exploring the use of nuclear fission for military technology, including nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons. Like the similar wartime programs in Nazi Germany, it was relatively small, suffered from an array of problems brought on by lack of resources and wartime disarray, and was ultimately unable to progress beyond the laboratory stage during the war.
Before anyone scoffs at this premise, remember that the Japanese had been underestimated before as in the case of their Zero fighter. According to “Zero Fighter” in the Ballantine Illustrated History of World War II” series :
Zero Fighter said:
Pages 24 -25 : “The United States was openly astonished with the quality of Japanese equipment. It had committed the unforgiveable sin of underestimating --- severely --- the caliber of Japanese designers, industry and men.

The United States entered the war convinced that nothing could stand up against American fighters. American pilots believed this to be so. That they nurtured this belief is astounding. Long before the air attack against Pearl Harbor the Japanese had flown the Zero in combat over the Chinese mainland. Intelligence reports were rushed to the United States.

No one believed them.

Aeronautical experts who studied the reports of the new Japanese “mystery fighter” snorted in disbelief. When they read the secret reports of speed, maneuverability, firepower and range they rejected as “arrant nonsense” the claims that the Japanese had become a grim threat in the air.

Their conclusion was that such a fighter was literally an aerodynamic impossibility. That particular conclusion inevitably led to another, and thus the Americans’ obsolete aircraft fell like flies before the agile, swift Zero.

….The Zero… could not only outperform any fighter against which it was matched, but could do so over extreme range --- a range so great, in fact, that few air strategists believed the aircraft capable of such performance. Missions of 1,400 miles [[2,253 kilometers]] by the Zero fighter were commonplace at a time when the idea of Allied fighters flying from England to Berlin and back again was considered a fanciful dream.

So, suppose the Japanese had put a similar effort into developing an atomic bomb as they did the Zero, and had been successful (granted, two very big "ifs)….. Yamamoto might well have been able to dictate peace from the White House.
 
"Outcomes" being the exaggerated and paranoid fears of WW2 Americans who thought Japan had the resources and manpower to invade and conquer the US.

What sort of Japanese Victory scenario would have to play out in order for such things to happen to the US? Absurd things such as Yamamoto in the White House or Tojo shaking hands with Mickey mouse?
It's not happening. Paranoid war-time fears rarely have basis in reality. One of the most persistent racist fears was the supposed fifth column of Japanese Americans in the American West, and that turned out, (of course) to be just be a total myth. Japan is not invading the USA in the 1940's (or frankly, at any time in the past).
 
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