Sorry but Japan conquering Australia is ASB. Perhaps more plausible would be communist revolution.
What other countries could have been 'Taiwanised'?
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Sorry but Japan conquering Australia is ASB. Perhaps more plausible would be communist revolution.
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Highly unlikely I agree, but not ASB. You don't necessarily have to bend the laws of physics in order to make Japan conquer Australia.
Something I just thought about.
Does the Vatican fulfil this condition? It is much smaller than the original Papal States which had been annexed by Italy.
However, that originally the entire Papal States had been fully annexed and an independent Vatican was a later creation might disqualify this example.
That reminds me, New Zealand consists out of two large islands.
Have North Island (the most populated one, containing the capital) taken over in a revolution of some sort and the government flees to South Island. Another example on the list.
AHC: Create a "Taiwan-and-China" situation in your country
A reboot of a thread by a now-banned member. I challenge you to create a situation where the national government of your current country of residence has been forced to flee the capital due to a rebellion consuming the land (not necessarily communist) and has retreated to some off-shore or...
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I remember a similar thread just 10 days before that fateful day in February 2022.
There are some mini-scenarios listed there.
At least temporarily, the Free French transfer the "official" capital of France to part of their overseas empire for the duration of the German occupation and while Vichy France exists (even if most of the actual officials would probably remain in the UK for proximity to the war effort). If being majority French is a requirement an area like the Saint Pierre and Miquelon islands could hypothetically work.
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Well, his government wouldn't last long. I don't know what kind of navy Chile has but Americans are happy to help.
The uprising was put down quite brutally by the US and Korea, followed up by harsh crack downs during the war. It seems fair to question whether there would've been enough organized resistance left to fend off the retreating ROK forces. An important part of that consideration is that refugees may be fleeing to the island along with the military and government. The island might very well see its population double or triple in a very short time frame, mostly with citizens loyal to the ROK. It's more questionable as to whether the island could support a large enough population to remain internationally relevant.
I always thought an interesting POD would be the British giving the deposed Bourbons, the French islands of St. Pierre and Miquelon off Labrador, during the French Revolutionary Wars. Especially perhaps if Louis XVIII found no exile among other royal heads (which is something that happened several times where he was moved from one place to another). In TTL Britain took the Islands in 1793 and started deporting French colonists (which didn't take), and then while it was given to Napoleon in the Peace of Amiens, Britain re-took it the very next year. What if instead its specifically included in the Peace of Amiens as a fief not for Louis XVIII for Marie-Therese, Madame Royale (who couldn't inherit the throne of France anyway and was a sympathetic figure to even many in France-proper) and if the timeline works out the same as it did in TTL, instead of going to exile in 1830 in Austria, Marie-Therese and her husband make the islands a kingdom/principality, etc under UK protection? The population is so small I don't think anyone would care.
When did we get to the point that only things that are impossible such as a human learning to fly like Superman is now considered to be ASB? Iirc ASB was a term indicated that it could not happen without something like Alien Space Bats helping.
So for instance Japan somehow taking over all of Australia. Which would require either so many changes in history that the world is not recognizable or something like ASBs interfering.
So for instance Japan somehow taking over all of Australia. Which would require either so many changes in history that the world is not recognizable or something like ASBs interfering.
"So for instance Japan somehow taking over all of Australia."
IIRC, it was a toss-up between Aus defending the Southern coast of New Guinea and Northern coast of Australia, or 'pulling back' to let the IJ forces struggle to maintain logistics across the 'Dead Heart', while interdicting them piecemeal per 'North Africa' via LRDG / SAS etc...
Happens they took the fight to the jungle. Also happens IJ lost an entire army to 'natural causes' trying to cross the un-mapped mountain ranges of central New Guinea. Yes, they'd romped down Malaya, but that was with the grain of the country. This was against. Very much against. And it got worse. Beside lethal arrows from aggrieved tribes-folk, there were more venomous snakes and biting insects than you'd believe. Tropical diseases. Rain, mud, more rain. Yet more mud, yet more rain. Humidity ruining weapons, clothing and radio equipment. Scant daily progress. Cloud-clad mountains thwarting air-drops, Cumulo-granite etc awaiting luckless pilots...
Under other circumstances, they might achieve legendary status beside the Roman Legion that marched into Central Wales and vanished from history...
( IIRC, there were vague reports of surviving elements very quietly assigned to fortress duty: Details unclear... )
IIRC, it was a toss-up between Aus defending the Southern coast of New Guinea and Northern coast of Australia, or 'pulling back' to let the IJ forces struggle to maintain logistics across the 'Dead Heart', while interdicting them piecemeal per 'North Africa' via LRDG / SAS etc...
Happens they took the fight to the jungle. Also happens IJ lost an entire army to 'natural causes' trying to cross the un-mapped mountain ranges of central New Guinea. Yes, they'd romped down Malaya, but that was with the grain of the country. This was against. Very much against. And it got worse. Beside lethal arrows from aggrieved tribes-folk, there were more venomous snakes and biting insects than you'd believe. Tropical diseases. Rain, mud, more rain. Yet more mud, yet more rain. Humidity ruining weapons, clothing and radio equipment. Scant daily progress. Cloud-clad mountains thwarting air-drops, Cumulo-granite etc awaiting luckless pilots...
Under other circumstances, they might achieve legendary status beside the Roman Legion that marched into Central Wales and vanished from history...
( IIRC, there were vague reports of surviving elements very quietly assigned to fortress duty: Details unclear... )
Frankly I find the loose usage of ASB to be counterproductive. If something is outlandish to the point of impossible, requiring a sort of deus ex machina, then it should be fairly simple to dismiss it via explanation. Instead ASB sometimes gets thrown around more loosely to describe things that are improbable without major historical differences. The problem is that we're on a site devoted to the discussion of alternative historical scenarios. Even the most mundane divergences require a degree of intervention on the part of the author. Our job as members on this site, if one could say we have a purpose here, is to read, evaluate, and provide feedback on how realistic (and interesting) those divergences are. Dismissing them with a three letter acronym doesn't really do anything for anyone here.
Yes but take Japan invading and concurring the US. This is theoretically physically possible. Nothing makes in impossible for Japan to land troops, and if the US troops all accidentally shoot themselves then nothing physically stops the Japanese troops from marching across the US.
But without absolutely HUGE changes and a ton of them Japan has 0% chance of pulling this off.
In my view that is ASB but according to some… id does not. Lately is seams that ASB means something that needs the natural laws to change such as changing the laws of physics.
Where i think it is more like. “Well if the ASB give Japan high tech long range jets and energy weapons then they could perhaps invade the US and win.”
But without absolutely HUGE changes and a ton of them Japan has 0% chance of pulling this off.
In my view that is ASB but according to some… id does not. Lately is seams that ASB means something that needs the natural laws to change such as changing the laws of physics.
Where i think it is more like. “Well if the ASB give Japan high tech long range jets and energy weapons then they could perhaps invade the US and win.”
Well, if I am not mistaken the term ASB came into being when somebody had joked that Operation Sealion could only work if the Germans received help from Alien Space Bats.
So, I agree with your view point.
Isla de la Juventud would be the best candidate due to its size.
- Houthis take over all of Yemen, with the Republic of Yemen taking refuge in Socotra, recognized and backed by Sunni Gulf States.
- Mainland Equatorial Guinea revolts against the Nguema regime, who is based on the islands off the coast.
- White Portuguese settlers form a white controlled enclave in Cabinda and declare independence from Angola.
- Franco flees to the Canaries in a world where he loses the Spanish Civil War, and the US backs him when Spain eventually goes full communist. Salazar flees to the Azores and does the same thing when communist Spain invades Portugal.
- Nazis hold onto mainland Europe after defeating the Soviet Union but creates puppet fascist governments in Western Europe. Netherlands forms Dutch Republic in the Carribean, Denmark in Iceland/Greenland, Norway in Svalbard.
- Mainland Malaysia falls to communism, Sarawak becomes a democratic enclave.
- Mainland Equatorial Guinea revolts against the Nguema regime, who is based on the islands off the coast.
- White Portuguese settlers form a white controlled enclave in Cabinda and declare independence from Angola.
- Franco flees to the Canaries in a world where he loses the Spanish Civil War, and the US backs him when Spain eventually goes full communist. Salazar flees to the Azores and does the same thing when communist Spain invades Portugal.
- Nazis hold onto mainland Europe after defeating the Soviet Union but creates puppet fascist governments in Western Europe. Netherlands forms Dutch Republic in the Carribean, Denmark in Iceland/Greenland, Norway in Svalbard.
- Mainland Malaysia falls to communism, Sarawak becomes a democratic enclave.
