And even then the Bushes go back in New England for hundreds of years, so they could reasonably make an appearance
"What Madness Is This?" Volume III: The Pinnacle Future
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Let's not forget that Joe here is of Irish Catholic descent, I don't think he wouldn't even exist and if he does, he would be totally unrecognizable compared to his OTL counterpart.
Say, @Napoleon53 , does George Washington still has descendants ITTL just like in Classic?
I’m counting on it. Irish remnant dictator Joe “Lucky” Biden is exactly what I want
Yes, there was a Washington descendant. One of them was in California before its immolation after the Great World War. But we haven't heard more from them since.
Irish mercenary leader in Africa/Levant, Joe Biden (I can' t make his name Madness-fied)
No goddamn it, I won't see this thread locked because you guys keep trying to shoehorn in someone who doesn't fit 😂 it's like when everybody went crazy awhile ago trying to petition to have Mr. Rogers show up, it's ridiculous and not in a timeline trademark fun way.
Mister Rogers existing in certain universes is simply incomprehensible with our current understanding of the laws of physics and the Balance of the Force, WMIT is too mad for his loving tenderness.
This is more of a My Friendly Neighborhood/Welcome Home universe than a Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood one.
I do like the few times that a character in WMIT is relatively unchanged from OTL, like how Mark Twain flees to Ireland rather than becoming a Pinnie author who praises the Prophet Burr and is remembered as a great American novelist
Scratch that. What I’d love most from Madness would be for Saxon King to be the only sane person left and become president of the NUSA post-Oswald.
What the RU/NUSA does think, or what would they think of non-western/non-white jews? The inmense majority of jews ITTL's America seem to be the usual askhenazis most americans both IOTL and ITTL would be familiarized with. Many, in fact, are russian refugees from Tsar Viktor's progroms.
If you thought about it logically, you would think that since yankees are eager to accept non-western races under the pretence of being lost jew tribes (the Nipponese), they would be even more willing to accept with open arms non-western peoples that are actually jewish (Beta Israel, Kaifeng jews, Malabar Yehuddim, etc), but we all know RU/NUSA race theory works on sheer convenience of the moment (the Nipponese), favoritisms (Arab peoples being accepted as Pinnacle in part because the Hollyfield clan are highly sympathetic to them) and ingrained 19th century prejudices going in divergent directions (anti-irish WASP supremacism brought to eleven, the north vs south hostility overriding anti-black racism). For all I know, it's very probable the RU/NUSA's government isn't even aware that jews are not exclusively european or middle eastern.
Speaking of which, what education do people in America and the wider Free World receive on the Better and Inferior races? Because with all this wild variety of Master Races (Anglo Saxons, West Africans, Arabs, Teutons, Nipponese, etc) plus the severe differences with race theory in other countries inside the alliance (Carolinians are just the usual "whites good, blacks bad" but with corean favoritism), people will eventually have a hard time keeping track of who they are supposed to hate and who they are supposed to love. I mean:
Of course this will be severely stigmatized by fascist doctrine. In fact, it is already severely stigmatized by fascist doctrine ITTL, by adjusting the term racism so that it only aplies when it is done against fellow Pinnacle brothers and then giving it the same nasty connotations we give it IOTL. But some people will be walking on eggshells over who is a Better and who is an Inferior.
If you thought about it logically, you would think that since yankees are eager to accept non-western races under the pretence of being lost jew tribes (the Nipponese), they would be even more willing to accept with open arms non-western peoples that are actually jewish (Beta Israel, Kaifeng jews, Malabar Yehuddim, etc), but we all know RU/NUSA race theory works on sheer convenience of the moment (the Nipponese), favoritisms (Arab peoples being accepted as Pinnacle in part because the Hollyfield clan are highly sympathetic to them) and ingrained 19th century prejudices going in divergent directions (anti-irish WASP supremacism brought to eleven, the north vs south hostility overriding anti-black racism). For all I know, it's very probable the RU/NUSA's government isn't even aware that jews are not exclusively european or middle eastern.
Speaking of which, what education do people in America and the wider Free World receive on the Better and Inferior races? Because with all this wild variety of Master Races (Anglo Saxons, West Africans, Arabs, Teutons, Nipponese, etc) plus the severe differences with race theory in other countries inside the alliance (Carolinians are just the usual "whites good, blacks bad" but with corean favoritism), people will eventually have a hard time keeping track of who they are supposed to hate and who they are supposed to love. I mean:
I'm not sure if human bigotry can really be controlled in such nuanced, specific directions. There's going to be a point where some people is just going to be bigoted or feel animosity against whatever group of their disliking, whether they are Pinnacle or not.
Of course this will be severely stigmatized by fascist doctrine. In fact, it is already severely stigmatized by fascist doctrine ITTL, by adjusting the term racism so that it only aplies when it is done against fellow Pinnacle brothers and then giving it the same nasty connotations we give it IOTL. But some people will be walking on eggshells over who is a Better and who is an Inferior.
I don't remember his name, but there was that actor whose career tanked after he was caught saying bigoted things about black people.
I feel like this would especially be the case with Cokies visiting the NUSA and vice versa. Maybe with older Southrons too?
Ah, yes, I just looked him up. Roy C. Butcher is a good example of how convoluted the whole thing gets.
On one hand, he's a bad american for his racism towards fellow Pinnacle Black (and also Jewish at one time) Brothers:
On the other hand, he's a bad american for breaking the racial harmony of the separate but equal Better races and potentially polluting the Pinnacle gene pool with the unseemly mixture of two Pinnacle races, because despite both (Pinnacle) whites and (Pinnacle) blacks being equally Better to their Inferiors they are still incompatible and therefore better left segregated (but sincerely equal)*:
It goes even deeper when you see that Butcher himself was somewhat walking on eggshells over his own ethnic status too, 'cause he was a cajun, which is not Inferior but still iffy:
Butcher was also a southron in an age where the South still carried over leftovers from the legacy of slavery and white supremacist racism. Just after TTL's War of Seccesion, one of the biggest threats to the RU is a white supremacist southron terrorist groups. So he was probably one of many southrons who didn't adapt to the new government mandated brand of bigotry.
*Of course, segregation and racial purity won't matter anymore in a few years, 'cause after Oswald Chucker Fucker establishes his new reforms on the way to the Pinnacle Future (Pinnacle at this point being almost the obligatory word for everything doubleplusgood), casual multirracial sex (in massive multicolor orgies, if possible) will suddenly become the most Pinnacle thing in the world and the mark of every Pinnacle Man (now Woman too), and the different designated-to-be-considered-Master-Race demographics shall mix until they reach back to the Primordial Pinnacle Race of Adam and Eve, from which they all sprouted from in whatever point of faux-biblical history the AFC deems appropiate to say "Thathappened.jpg".
So the NUSA would regard the various Jewish populations as Better since they have similar practices to the American Jewish population and avoided 'Mongrelization'. They may regard them as hardier and tougher than the Inferior population as a form of 'martial races'. Basically any group that is Protestant or Jewish and Muslim would be seen as 'Better' compared to the 'corrupted' Hindu or Catholic religions. Pagans would be seen as people would could possibly be 'redeemed'.
Anybody know anything about Napy ? Its been almost a month since his last log and maybe happen him some accident
I don't buy into this. There are clear and obvious differences in doctrine and rite between the distinct geographical branches (askhenazi, sephardic, yemmenite, beta israel, etc ) of the jewish people. Some branches are rabbinical, others aren't, some do this particular practice, others don't, etc.
And despite the physical stereotypes associated to jews, they always look very similar, if not indistinguisable to the other populations of the places they live in. Askhenazis look pretty much european/western, a kaifeng jew is impossible to phisically distinguish from any other chinese, etc. It would be hard for any racial purist to say they haven't "mongrelized".
Of course, the RU/NUSA could try to pull off everything of what you say, but it would be a hard stretch and that movement doesn't fit their sometimes random criteria. Their theory is not supposed to be that consistent. And it would certainly not be factual.
It's just easier (and would make more sense coming from the yankees ITTL) to just go "no true scotsman" and dismiss whatever ethnic or geographical division of the jewish people that doesn't fit their preconceived criteria and notions. They might go full "Askhenazi=jew", and say, for example, that sephardim don't count as real jews because they've been tainted with hispaniard blood and culture. While at the same time they keep claiming other peoples that are clearly not jewish are actually "lost jew tribes" to justify why they are Betters, as they did with the nipponese. So you will get to a point where the concept of what is a jew in the RU/NUSA is utterly distorted and at the whim of the government, just like what constitutes a Pinnacle race.
RU/NUSA race theory is not that religious based. An irish and an italian will always be Inferiors, no matter if they are protestant or other religion instead of catholic. Otherwise, they could have converted to the AFC and avoided extermination.
Whereas french people are Better by birth, being only Inferior if they are catholic. Even then, it is said in the Roy Butcher chapter that protestant french who inmigrated to the Union usually americanized their names, being visibly french uncomfortable to Anglo-saxon americans.
Iirc Nappo also said that the birthplace of the Inferior races was believed to be the Indonesian islands, which are a majority muslim area.
And in the Holyfield chapters, arab kinship with the Holyfields is spoken of half in terms of religion (abrahamic kinship), half in terms of blood/fluids (Pinnacle fragments of Sheba, Sons of Solomon):
And there's also the "lost jew tribe" thing again:
There's also the whole obsession with fluids. Every Pinnacle lineage must keep it's fluids good. Following the right religion is at best half of the battle.
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I am alive and getting over covid again and heart palpitations. Also, something big is coming. A spin-off and somewhat of a reimagining of WMIT:
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