What if Nazis won and attacked America?
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The Nazis send great flying carriers like those we see in Sky Captain to secure the East Coast, then they launch the invasion force of 200 divisions that they have secretly been building up in Mexico over the last ten years.
By the time the Nazis can attack America and invade it, it'll be a long time after WWII. The Nazis would have a lot of problems trying to reach America right after WWII as mentioned by others here.
Regarding the no "nuclear holocaust," this is years from WWII for any German invasion to be possible, America would've eventually gotten out of the Great Depression. There probably would be a nuclear warhead on American hands.
Regarding the no "nuclear holocaust," this is years from WWII for any German invasion to be possible, America would've eventually gotten out of the Great Depression. There probably would be a nuclear warhead on American hands.
Ten post so far. Could still go either way.
There is also the chance that he's your basic 12 year old and just is utterly clueless (we KNOW he can't spell
). His first post here asked for help for a school "report". That is pure U.S. Jr. High School-speak.why would the german reich attack america, even if in some ASB scenario
the war ended in apsolute nazi wictory?
would two large capitalist empires not be perfect buisnes partners?
granted a wictorious germany, even in a realistic scenario, given it holds ider the kavkazus or the midle east, and that it still holds most of europe, would, become a leading world superpower, but what reason could it have, even if decades later it goes to war with USA again, to actually invade north america?
the germans could hipotetically bomb urban and industrial areas, or send some biological weapon over on rockets, given german rocket technology develops to the point of intercontinental capacity
this is not so improbale, but would this be a powerfull enough weapon to alow germania to wage a third war against the most industrialised nations of the world?
probbably without nuclear weapons it would turn into a huge exchange of "conventional" intercontinental misiles, and a large naval battle, possibly some smaler conflicts in africa, south america, or a larger battle in asia
it would take a long war for ider side to become so weak as to risk full scale invasion
such a scenario would olnly hipotetically work around the 1960is or later
if you mean that nazi germany actually continues WWII and goes on to invade america, thats simply not possible, depression or no depression, you might as well make a ATL in wich they go on to conquer the moon, unless you have some POD way before WWI
the war ended in apsolute nazi wictory?
would two large capitalist empires not be perfect buisnes partners?
granted a wictorious germany, even in a realistic scenario, given it holds ider the kavkazus or the midle east, and that it still holds most of europe, would, become a leading world superpower, but what reason could it have, even if decades later it goes to war with USA again, to actually invade north america?
the germans could hipotetically bomb urban and industrial areas, or send some biological weapon over on rockets, given german rocket technology develops to the point of intercontinental capacity
this is not so improbale, but would this be a powerfull enough weapon to alow germania to wage a third war against the most industrialised nations of the world?
probbably without nuclear weapons it would turn into a huge exchange of "conventional" intercontinental misiles, and a large naval battle, possibly some smaler conflicts in africa, south america, or a larger battle in asia
it would take a long war for ider side to become so weak as to risk full scale invasion
such a scenario would olnly hipotetically work around the 1960is or later
if you mean that nazi germany actually continues WWII and goes on to invade america, thats simply not possible, depression or no depression, you might as well make a ATL in wich they go on to conquer the moon, unless you have some POD way before WWI
Point to bare in mind here is that the 'thread' doesn't say 'invade' only 'attack'! In that context in OTL the u-boat attacks on the US eastern sea-board qualify. There was also a small-scale sabotage/espionage team sent to the US.
But given that in this case Germany 'won' how do we define that - British capitulation, and German control with the bulk of Russia. However unlikely these conditions maybe. Nevertheless, it's possible that many Americans of German descent may look upon the old country with admiration and respect, and be suceptable to mixed loyalties. It's also possible that people like Lindbergh, may question any anti-German attitude of the American Government.
Thus the 'attack' may not be a physical one, rather a way of de-stabilising the country in the same way that occured during the 'cold war'.
But given that in this case Germany 'won' how do we define that - British capitulation, and German control with the bulk of Russia. However unlikely these conditions maybe. Nevertheless, it's possible that many Americans of German descent may look upon the old country with admiration and respect, and be suceptable to mixed loyalties. It's also possible that people like Lindbergh, may question any anti-German attitude of the American Government.
Thus the 'attack' may not be a physical one, rather a way of de-stabilising the country in the same way that occured during the 'cold war'.
The Chitauri give the Nazis lots of alien space weapons and kill Captain America. Thus the Nazis invade the US with actual boats and not river barges. Also they kill the entire population of the United States so the Germans would actually have a chance.
Seriously, this is an OP from a noob.
Seriously, this is an OP from a noob.
On the very off chance you are serious, and we are talking 1939-40, the Kreigsmarine is found, fixed, and defeated by the USN at roughly 40W by 50N. In 1939 The Kriegsmarine consisted of two BC with 11" guns, two panzerschiff (armored cruisers) with 11" guns, two Hipper class CA, six obsolecent CL, none mounting more than 8 5.9" guns, eleven Destroyers, and a total of 57 U-boats, of which roughly half were ocean going. By the end of 1940 the Germans add the Bismarck , an additional Hipper, and a single Type VIIC u-boat. This is an insufficient sized fleet to provide both a covering force and close escort for any invasion convoy.
U.S. Navy could deploy 15 battleships, all 14" guns or larger (seven assigned to Atlantic Fleet), 5 carriers (two assigned to Atlantic Fleet), 18 CA (seven assigned to the Atlantic Fleet), 17 CL, including seven Brooklyn class, any two of which out gunned ALL the Kriegsmarine CL's in aggregate (seven assigned to Atlantic Fleet), 200+ destroyers (including 63 less than five years old) with roughly 50 in the Atlantic, and 97 ocean going subs. It should be pointed out that, thanks to the Panama Canal, the USN can concentrate most of it's fleet (especially carriers, cruisers and destroyers) in either ocean with somewhat startling speed. In 1940 the USN added a CV, 10 DD, and two subs. This allows the U.S. to create at least four, perhaps as many as six, heavy surface action groups, centered on at least one, perhaps as many as three battleships, with as many heavy crusiers in each group as the Kreigsmarine possessed. After this was done, the American fleet could also put together several very fast (33+ knot) cruiser centered forces, with 4 - 6 DD in each unit, while leaving sufficent escorts to build three carrier task forces,. That is at least seven hunter groups that can individually destroy the German invasion force, with three or four others capable of wrecking it in detail
Lastly, the German force would be operating outside of any sort of aircover, while the U.S. could, just from her five carriers, put better than 100 attack aircraft and a similar number of fighters into the air. When land based aircraft, from fighters to B-17 bombers are included, the U.S. can also put around 700 additional aircraft into the air (including obsolecent, but still battle worthy in a non-fighter enviroment, aircraft). The American sub force can be used to create numerous patrole lines, while leaving 40+ boats to defend the American coast.
You will note that I have not included any Royal Navy vessels. It would be shocking if a substantial number of them were also not available to augment the American fleet.
Given these sorts of numbers, what do you think would happen?
Said attempt would probably take place in the 1980s at earliest, if it could even happen at all. How you want to get around the fact that the USA will have nukes within five years of the start of WW2? In any case, this situation is perhaps not ASB, but would require a very odd PoD in the distant past and much more flexibility than your idea allows. As stated, you'd need the Allies to make a comedy of errors that they never would OTL.
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considering that the US was rather isolationist and didn't have troops in Europe, the only way the Nazis could attack the US was to send U-boats after our ships... that'd work fine for a while (the US was woefully unprepared for anti-sub warfare), but they'd just start building the naval ships they did in OTL and take back the oceans....
The US and France go Communist, but Russia doesn't. The Nazis form an alliance with Great Britain and Russia (probably leading one or both), and invade France. France asks America for help, and America does declare war due to a particularly firey session of Congress. Then the US invades Canada, and the Russo-Brito-German forces, while the US is bogged down in Mexico for some reason, cross the Atlantic, establish a beachhead in Canada, and expand into Maine a little bit.
That's my best try.
That's my best try.
The occult branch of the SS manages to summon the Norse gods to aid the war effort. In turn, a mild mannered reporter in a city called Metropolis dons a red cape.