What if Hitler weren't anti-semitic?

[geek42]

Would it make any difference? Could he have picked somebody else to try to exterminate, or was only anti-Semitism strong enough?

This might have counterintuitive effects. No Holocaust might mean no impetus for the foundation of Israel. Also, the Nazi purges cost them a lot of scientists; would they have gotten the Bomb and prolonged the war? Would they have won?

 

[Atreus]

Would it make any difference? Could he have picked somebody else to try to exterminate, or was only anti-Semitism strong enough?

This might have counterintuitive effects. No Holocaust might mean no impetus for the foundation of Israel. Also, the Nazi purges cost them a lot of scientists; would they have gotten the Bomb and prolonged the war? Would they have won?

Fristly, hitler wasn't just anti-semetic, although that is obviously his most major racial belief. He basically hated anybody who wasn't aryan by his pseudo-scientific reasoning. Slavs, Roma, Africans; they were all sub-human to him. Not to mention Communists, Homosexuals, the crippled, and anybody else who didn't meet his standards.

But the Nazis won't rise to power unless they blame somebody. Most likely, someone with vaguely similar views to Hitler rises in his place, and a lose parallel to OTL occur (until the war, that is). Then, Hitler's unorthodox decisions (or lack thereof in this timeline) starts to effect things.

 

[Codeman]

He would have to find someone else to pick on. Maybe he could blame just the homosexuals and gypsies instead.

With no antisemitism Albert Einstein does not leave for the US Fermi might not leave Italy if Musso follows Hitlers lead. Thats a good part of the team that got the American A-bomb up and running. Without them the US does not get the bomb for a while defiantly not in 1945.

Hitler would have 10 million+ more people to recruit from thats several new divisions that could easily change the outcome of Barbarossa.

 

[panzerjay]

if hitler was not anti semitic, he would not have made it to the higher ranks of any of the non communist revolutionary groups of post WWI Germany. hitler just exploited deep seeded reflections...that someone else would have chanced on.

 

[NKVD]

Well he only got his anti-everything ideas after reading a pamphlet or something about something like the nazi stuff. If he gets admitted into the art academy or whatever, he wouldn't be anti-everything.

 

[Chengar Qordath]

if hitler was not anti semitic, he would not have made it to the higher ranks of any of the non communist revolutionary groups of post WWI Germany. hitler just exploited deep seeded reflections...that someone else would have chanced on.

Anti-semitism was fairly common in radical right-wing fringe and it would be hard to get far in those circles if you openly broke from the consensus, but it didn't exactly help with mainstream politics. It is noteworthy that the Nazis didn't enjoy significant electoral success until they toned down the anti-semitic rhetoric, and their first attempts at anti-Jewish legislation flopped badly, though with a heavy dose of propaganda they did eventually win over the populace. I suppose you could see a Hitler that paid lip service to anti-semitism to appease the hard-core Nazis, but didn't really follow through on doing anything to the Jews.

As far as getting a target for the Dolchstoßlegende, left-wing Socialists and Communists were one of the groups more commonly blamed for the supposed betrayal, so alt-Hitler could certainly target them instead. He might also put more emphasis on the anti-slavic elements of his racial theories than was the case IOTL.

 

[SeanB]

He would have to find someone else to pick on. Maybe he could blame just the homosexuals and gypsies instead.

"It was the blatant homosexuality taking place within the trenches that caused Germany to lose the war!"

 

[Redem]

"It was the blatant homosexuality taking place within the trenches that caused Germany to lose the war!"

Well that's my nominee for joke of the day

Though if Hitler wanted to put that into his propaganda some might accuse him of doing pornography and innuendo jokes would probably go around.

 

[Markus]

WI the Admins delete this or the users at leat didn´t not answer? This has to the 1,000 "WI Hitler wasn´t anti-semitic"-thread.

 

[Admiral Canaris]

Hitler and the Nazis weren't opposed to homosexuality on racial grounds like they were Jews or Gypsies, or even moral, Christian grounds; rather, they viewed homosexuality as taxing the nation's resources, since it prohibited otherwise healthy Aryan people from procreating and perpetuating the Race. Homosexuals weren't necessarily to be eradicated; the SS experimented with "re-educating" lesbians, for example.

 

[Broz]

Hitler could have risen to power basing his politics on general nationalism and comunist treath, or rather some other hipotetical dictator with some other nacionalist party, could of, but the fack was hitler was mental, and in his worldview the whole arangement of warious pseudoscientific racisms and purist doctrines, as well as just simple old pop antisemitism, held an almoust religious meaning, not to mention the influences of the 1920-1930 german cult scene, from wich that whole "mistical" part of nacism was inbred

probbably a more mussoliny styled fashist party, more down to earth and concentrated on basics and realpolitics, or perhaps a simple military rezime, would not see the point in the frantic effort to maintain industrialised scale mass murder of its own citisens, especially with a war going on, and being short on resourse suplies and workforce, but still rasism and especially antisemitism was so rooted in german culture, and central-european culture in general, any fashist german gowerment would have been antisemitic one way or the other ewen if olnly unofficially so, althou it would trully take someone as mentally disturbed and socially imparedas hitler to start an actual extermination campaing

 

[Elidor]

Well, it is possible that Hitler can be no anti-semitic at heart, but exploits antisemitism for opportunistic purposes. IOTL, this is what Hitler did with Socialism, and the leftist Nazis with the Night of the Long Knives. Hitler claimed to be a socialist revolutionary, but purged the socialists from his group once he got elected. He can similarly claim to an anti-Semite (without glossing over it) and then purge the anti-semites from the party once he takes power.

 

[panzerjay]

Well, it is possible that Hitler can be no anti-semitic at heart, but exploits antisemitism for opportunistic purposes. IOTL, this is what Hitler did with Socialism, and the leftist Nazis with the Night of the Long Knives. Hitler claimed to be a socialist revolutionary, but purged the socialists from his group once he got elected. He can similarly claim to an anti-Semite (without glossing over it) and then purge the anti-semites from the party once he takes power.

then mein kampf would be total sham then?

 

[Elidor]

then mein kampf would be total sham then?

Mein Kampf would be radically different in TTL. It would focus on anti-communism and anti-slavism instead.

 

[heyitsme]

If he didn't do it then someone else in the government would have, after all it wasn't uncommon back then to be as racist/elitist/all the other remaining "ists".

 

[Chengar Qordath]

If he didn't do it then someone else in the government would have, after all it wasn't uncommon back then to be as racist/elitist/all the other remaining "ists".

A bit of contempt for the "lesser" races was not uncommon in those days; massive industrialised genocide complexes were more or less unique to Hitler though.

 

[Analytical Engine]

A bit of contempt for the "lesser" races was not uncommon in those days; massive industrialised genocide complexes were more or less unique to Hitler though.

Eugenicist policies weren't, though...