Hmm, I can't find any sources on that, do you know where I could find them?
What alternate history ideas you wish they were used more often?
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This is certainly an original or rare idea. But is it 'doable' in the 1788 timeframe? And if the British are driven off then, how long, in terms of decades, do Brits and other Europeans stay driven off? Early colonies could be fragile, but would-be colonizers could be quite persistent, and despite the racially discriminatory valuations and worldviews of Brits and Europeans at this time, whites of the late 18th century and 19th century still treated the lives of members of their *own* race very cheaply and were happy to send their countrymen into foreign death traps over and over again, picking expendable people, or willing volunteers wanting to escape boredom or poverty.
That would be something neat - that would be early medieval or something?
And if we wanted to get more daring, we could go further back, maybe alter the ethnogenesis of the Yamato people so that the islands are not mono-nationally Yamato with the marginalized Emishi/Ainu minority, but are multi-national, like the British Isles.
You'll all just start fighting with each other.... Otherwise it would've happened sometime in the past 200 years
Spain planned to invade Britain’s colony in Australia in the 1790s
Spain planned to attack Britain's new colony in Australia and force them from the land by using cannons filled with fire-spreading 'hot shot', newly uncovered documents reveal.
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Well we already have a enemy: US ImperialismYou'll all just start fighting with each other.... Otherwise it would've happened sometime in the past 200 years
Seriously everyone agreed they hate that
it's ASB scenario
At least my old music teacher proposed that Bolivar, Artigas and San Martin should have joined/united Latín América.
Which is an interesting enough idea to happen in those times
Which is an interesting enough idea to happen in those times
Latin American alliance will be better than 347 Time proposed SA United country
I know it's a favorite of AH.com to laugh at the supposed hubris of Fukuyama's "End of History" theories and the like, but I can dream okay? It is my firm conviction that the human race has had more than enough of "interesting times" by the end of the Cold War, and that I'd love to see more "utopian" timelines exploring a world where liberal democracy really does rule more or less unopposed across the globe, and humanity's collective energies are turned toward kinder, gentler pursuits, such as...I don't know, building neat trains, fusion reactors, and colonizing space.
@TheMann 's "The Land of Milk and Honey" is probably my favorite TL on this site, for reasons obvious to anyone here who had read it.
I understand that a lot of people on this board find such TLs boring and often prefer more dystopian stories as an exciting alternative, but I personally think they make for a nice palate cleanser, and I'd love to see more of them.
@TheMann 's "The Land of Milk and Honey" is probably my favorite TL on this site, for reasons obvious to anyone here who had read it.
I understand that a lot of people on this board find such TLs boring and often prefer more dystopian stories as an exciting alternative, but I personally think they make for a nice palate cleanser, and I'd love to see more of them.
Thanks for the shout out. 🙂 I don't think history will ever be over and so Fukuyama's statement is in a way an example of hubris, but I do get your point about a desire for more positive TLs and completely agree. (I don't think a utopia can ever truly exist for all, but a better world than our own is nice to see, especially considering the BS that the last few years have given us in such abundance.)
Here is the reason why: Positive TL are "boring" to read through compared to action pack thriller TL.
That's a reason why there's no sci-fi without a evil emperor or Force to control the whole universe, that's all I want more interesting to go through then just having a peaceful era Sci Fi novels.
Like it's incredibly where to have those kind of sci-fi genre who hadn't have an evil emperor ruined the Universe.
The problem is most of the audience want something to read about that isn't action-pack or high tension conflict
EDITED: I'm not saying that Positive TL are boring per se but they are not enjoyable compared to Dystopian TL
What LMHTL about honestly? Because I don't find any TVtropes page about it
There an another reason: Conflict.
If you have a story that you had to write about TL about something, which is more engaging to the audience:
A positive peaceful TL who only have growth for better world and democracy
or
Apocalyptic Doomsday TL who have revolutions and conflict in crisis
History is Endless and Fukuyama was really live in a fantasy land because he once thought it's had a end.
Positive TL who are the absolute rare cases
I have to say it: Utopia is inherently Inhuman because Utopia is about being perfect and we all know in history; humans are not perfect not even a slightest bit of it. I'm sure we can have stop being that can work properly and efficiently but never EVER Perfect.
I don't understand what "I'm sure we can have stop being" means - English isn't my first language, sorry
Okay what I meant to say in that post is the Reason why more hopeful TL are not present is because of Audience attention span and Content less compared to Dystopian/ Darker TL
I really wish communist/socialist timelines didn't have Bolsheviks be defeated just so another socialist revolution would be successful in another country. One of the things that I want to see is the revolutions of 1917-1923 is see different strains of socialism/communism interact with competing ideologies and theories.
Reds! did that thankfully, the Soviets are immediately wary that post-revolution America is staking out a position to their left and one of the dominant major *American parties in the present day is even post-Marxist.